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6/16/2013 1:12:41   
VanitySixx
Member

Okay don't try and play like you're the forum police and disagree with my post. Everyone knows Varium players has had a HUGEEEE nerf because of Omega. Varium is now USELESS!!!
Us Varium players have no need to buy anything anymore. We don't need to spend money to get good items and I'll tell u why.

CREDITS CAN BE USED TO BUY VARIUM-MADE ITEMS!
That's bull crap. Not even joking, when the devs made this into the game I nearly died. All of my money went to dust that a non varium could pick up. But then we still had the advantage of getting our good items faster right??

WRONG!

Nowadays you don't need the latest items to do good in this game. A player can use a starter weapon, basic armor gun and aux and still be just as good as a Varium player. This sickens me

Varium players believe they are getting stronger by buying varium. The only thing Varium is good for is changing names and classes. Other than that it's useless. Once again,

PLEASEEEEE do not say we have a shortcut to better items because that is a huge lie told by Epic Duel players who truly believe varium is useful. I've used starter gear v.s. Varium players and beat them. And I've seen basic people beat me as well.

Lvl doesn't even really mean anything now unless ur 5 or 4 levels down from ur opponent. What happened to the perks of being lvl 35? There is perhaps ONE good thing Varium was useful for. And that was for making that gun that makes u strike. That promo is alright. But other than that, Varium means nothing.
AQW Epic  Post #: 1
6/16/2013 1:37:15   
ValkyrieKnight
Member

You're basically saying what people who think Varium is useless have been saying since Omega began. Because Varium doesn't give you a near guaranteed chance of victory over non Varium users you feel as if its useless. You don't enjoy competition and you feel because you're giving money towards the game that you deserve a reward for it? The last time I heard people supported games they love to play and continue to play, not because they want to make the game easy for them.
AQW Epic  Post #: 2
6/16/2013 1:39:50   
VanitySixx
Member

No that's not what i'm saying at all. I'm saying it gives NO boosts whatsoever. None. Zero. I don't wanna make the game easier for me. I'm still just ticked all the money I through into multiple accounts went down the drain. I'd appreciate some kind of Varium Only cores or something to show a little appreciation. Nothing too big. There's no reason to buy varium whatsoever is my point. I can care less if I win or lose. I just want it to be worth something.

*EDIT

And yes, If you pay for something on a F2P game I expect some kind of buffs or something. Like I said before, nothing too drastic or nothing that will for sure my victory. Just.....something...

< Message edited by VanitySixx -- 6/16/2013 1:41:14 >
AQW Epic  Post #: 3
6/16/2013 1:43:24   
ValkyrieKnight
Member

They're some gears and armors that were Varium only that still make huge impacts today. Two gears in specific that still plague the game is Chairman's Fury and Azreal gears, those two alone are all you need and were Varium only ( apparently Azreal is soon not to be ) but that isn't for along time. Isn't there weapons that increase critical damage that again were Varium only? No I don't believe Varium players need more Varium only gears as the Varium only cores/gears of old still make huge impacts over non Varium players today.

< Message edited by ValkyrieKnight -- 6/16/2013 1:44:05 >
AQW Epic  Post #: 4
6/16/2013 1:56:11   
VanitySixx
Member

What you just named was no huge deal whatsoever! The ONLY sole item that is worth varium is, like I said before, the Azrael gun. NOTHING else. Not Chairman's Fury, not any of the cores or weps we have today. Sure it's out there but it doesn't make a huge impact even if it is Varium Only. You might as well sell all your gear and go non varium and your win % will just barely change.

Now don't get me wrong...

Varium has VERY small perks. It's not worth it's money. They need to either lower the cost of it (except the promos because those are usually okay) or they need to create something brand new that's varium only and that can actually make a small difference, rather than no difference like Chairman's Fury.

Chairman's Fury is useful in some ways, but it's not worth being varium only.
AQW Epic  Post #: 5
6/16/2013 1:58:08   
Bloodpact
Member

She's right I got a huge collection, each one has cores everyone else has, but like twice as strong,
or like 1.5 as strong,
aka
4%crit -> 5% crit

10% dmg -> 15%dmg

2% unblockable ->7% unblockable/anyone can get this one tho :[

all azreals are good and plats pride is still decent.

And once upon a time my frost sword was useful now it angers me every time i see it.

___________________________________________________________________________________________

Most varium players that left was over the enchantment refund, I took a leave for a few months cuz of it.

< Message edited by Bloodpact -- 6/16/2013 1:59:08 >
Epic  Post #: 6
6/16/2013 2:12:36   
Xendran
Member

Items that look awesome should be varium only.
Items that look plain and mediocre should be credits.

You want to look awesome? Gotta pay for the game you're playing instead of freeloading then.
This is how a lot of successful games make the majority of their income.

And yeah, the enhancement refund was a terribly mismanaged PR disaster. It's like they were ASKING players to leave.

< Message edited by Xendran -- 6/16/2013 2:13:24 >
AQ DF Epic  Post #: 7
6/16/2013 2:15:15   
ValkyrieKnight
Member

quote:


VanitySixx

Chairman's Fury, not any of the cores or weps we have today. Sure it's out there but it doesn't make a huge impact even if it is Varium Only. You might as well sell all your gear and go non varium and your win % will just barely change.

Now don't get me wrong...

Varium has VERY small perks. It's not worth it's money. They need to either lower the cost of it (except the promos because those are usually okay) or they need to create something brand new that's varium only and that can actually make a small difference, rather than no difference like Chairman's Fury.

Chairman's Fury is useful in some ways, but it's not worth being varium only.


Firstly Chairman's Fury is extremely cheap, it guarantees you rage first which often decides fight outcomes. That being said, people are telling you that Varium is a shortcut BECAUSE that is what its meant to be in Omega, it's no longer for the purpose of giving Varium players a stat advantage over non Varium. Sure non Varium players can add cores that Varium players can add to their gears but seeing as you're more than likely a frequent buyer of Varium have you tried buying all the latest ( best ) gears with credits? You have to bust your butt doing it and that's assuming you can make the 2 hour x2 periods unlike myself, well . . . I can make the 2nd one but never the 1st. Yeah, it's not fun. The next time a new great gear comes out, don't buy it with Varium, buy it with credits then come back and say Varium is useless.

< Message edited by ValkyrieKnight -- 6/16/2013 2:16:18 >
AQW Epic  Post #: 8
6/16/2013 2:49:55   
VanitySixx
Member

If Varium is *supposed* to be the shortcut, why is it not a shortcut to anything whatsoever? I'm tired of goody goody players pretending everything's fine when there are numerous problems, most people dislike certain things, and people just ignore it.

I refuse to ignore it. The game has hit an obvious slump as I said in my last forum post, and this is yet another reason why. I tried to return to the game by forcing myself to believe everything's alright but it's not. The developers have legit ROBBED people who spent good money on this game. By "good money", I mean $500+ back when Varium actually had a purpose. It's like AQW and AC's. AC's barely make u stronger. They just make u look cool. But being a member makes you stronger.

There are numerous ways the developers can attack this if they just put a slight bit of thought into it. Idk how to program games or code much but I do know that they are professionals here to please us players. And even the people I fight in battle that play this game are saying they are dissatisfied. I don't wanna see this game go down like this at all but sadly it is. Varium is useless, players are leaving, the game is repetitive..
AQW Epic  Post #: 9
6/16/2013 3:19:42   
ValkyrieKnight
Member

This should be fairly obvious to anyone whose played MMOS for years as I have. Constantly creating content over time more powerful than the last turns the game into a cash based game and that drives away players ( especially older paying players who feel like everything they've bought until XOXOX time was wasted ) This happens in every game. This reason is why developers should stop giving paying players more and more options better than the last and over non paying players. Eventually paying players are going to feel that they wasted their money, demand refund ( futilely ) or resent the game enough to quit.

The guys behind Epic Duel have the right idea in making it so that Varium no longer spikes in power everytime new content is implemented and or routinely create premium in the game which it sounds to me where your problem lies. Remember, constant premium only content creates a bubble between Paying and non Paying which = cash based. You want the developers to continuously create Varium only content so you can have access to more and more options non Varium players have which ultimately gives you more and more of a advantage so please stop trying to pretend that's not what you truly want.

Making premium ( or Varium ) a shortcut is what games need to survive in the long run. If there is a lack of non paying and casual paying players, then paying players are going to feel that their bought gears give them no advantage whatsoever because everyone else playing the game are also paying users so again, ultimately you're going to want non paying / casual players within the game so that you feel your Varium was worth buying.

Edit : On a sidenote I think you're comparing yourself to players like myself who already had grounded level 35 characters so while not being a frequent buyer such as yourself I have access to many of the things you do. This is because I reached level 35 early in Delta which means on my 35s I had nothing to do therefore I racked up enough credits to purchase some of the better things ( I still don't have cores on my aux or any robots, just my rusted ) You have to think about new players or players who were level 20 ~ 30 when Omega began.

< Message edited by ValkyrieKnight -- 6/16/2013 3:24:50 >
AQW Epic  Post #: 10
6/16/2013 3:38:55   
VanitySixx
Member

Oh...my....goodness....All of that was irrelevant lol. All I'm saying is Varium Players need a small buff in some sort of way. Not anything that progressively gets stronger because I know that ruins games. I've been there before. The way you're making it sound is making me sound like I want Varium to rule the entire game which is not what I'm aiming at.

Yes, making Varium as a shortcut was an amazing idea, but it is definitely not a shortcut to anything since all weps can have the same stats and similar cores... That's my problem. That's why Varium has little to no use. All I'm saying is that give the Varium users something! Anything. Even like, our own little Varium Only shop to where we have extremely cool looking gears that do NOT have equipped cores and they DO have the same amount of stats as everything else.

I have been financially supporting EpicDuel at least 2 times a month buying 60$-120$ worth of Varium every purchase (before omega). I just hate seeing all of this money going down the drain like this.
AQW Epic  Post #: 11
6/16/2013 3:50:05   
TRizZzCENTRINO
Member

exclusive cool looking items/cosmetics that could only be bought with varium like in AQW with the AC coins, this i strongly support
MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 12
6/16/2013 4:12:06   
Xendran
Member

Varium offering advantages in battle (progression and battle are different things) actually causes profit loss. Pay2Win games have been massively stigmatized since 2009. In 2013, you can't get away with it unless you already have a giant playerbase.

TRizZz understands it. You get all the gameplay and core mechanics for free. Then, when you're a higher level you start to want to stand out more, to make a name and image for yourself. So you throw out some money to get that awesome looking armor and full color customization.
Then you decide to spend a few bucks here and there for some varium helmets. Then you decide maybe you want to start a collection of rare varium items so you buy some bag space.
Then you decid eyou want to REALLY deck yourself out and start buying full sets of varium items that look awesome.
Then maybe you want to try out a new class so you do a varium class change and buy a new set of items for that class. Maybe you want to change looks, maybe you want something cool on your helmet (gonna make a post about this), maybe you want an overhauled paintjob on your robot (gonna make a post about this as well).

They're missing out on so much cash by taking advantage of cosmetic microtransactions, and instead they focus on thinly veiled pay2win macrotransactions (promos).
AQ DF Epic  Post #: 13
6/16/2013 5:04:39   
ValkyrieKnight
Member

@ Trizz & Xandran

I've been touching on that in the "Losing players" thread..... No one listens to Valky : (
AQW Epic  Post #: 14
6/16/2013 5:13:14   
Xendran
Member

I actually believe that there's something a bit more going on regarding why ED is making decisions that are guaranteed to lose them players.
All we can really do is deal with it. The chance of developers listening to feedback that is good, but doesn't come from their own head, is very low these days.

< Message edited by Xendran -- 6/16/2013 5:14:09 >
AQ DF Epic  Post #: 15
6/16/2013 5:41:02   
toopygoo
Member

replying only to thread starting post:

i agree with all of that, except the level difference: now, you get more stat points per level, and it gives a much bigger level difference: you have stronger weapons and armours and stats the moment you level up instead of having to scrounge around for your next weapon and stuff. i want there to be varium shops, i want there to be exclusive members items too, other than the promos. people no longer want the varium with the promos sometimes, they just want the few items, which they feels should cost way less than it does.
AQW Epic  Post #: 16
6/16/2013 10:31:42   
Khalix
Member

This thread looks like a lovely argument about giving varium-users a buff or some form of compensation.

This has been discussed plenty of times by a variety of people. And generally, they all spawn from the same excuse- We paid.

And guess what the byproduct of those 3+ page threads have yielded- Locked and/or deleted.

And here's yet another completely original topic to discuss varium's downfall.

Tell me, what unique sales pitch does this have over the previous threads before it?
If none, then the outcome would be the same as said previous threads- Abandoned, locked or deleted.
Epic  Post #: 17
6/16/2013 10:35:24   
Lord Noonien Soong
Member

Varium is now considered a faster alternative than farming gold, so technically speaking, its not useless
DF  Post #: 18
6/16/2013 10:38:00   
Mother1
Member

So because Non variums are no longer punching bags to varium players as well as not needing to by the latest promo to keep up has made varium worthless? Sorry but I disagree with you entirely.
Epic  Post #: 19
6/16/2013 14:19:34   
Bloodpact
Member

quote:

Items that look awesome should be varium only.
Items that look plain and mediocre should be credits.

You want to look awesome? Gotta pay for the game you're playing instead of freeloading then.
This is how a lot of successful games make the majority of their income.


Exactly -_-....


quote:

And yeah, the enhancement refund was a terribly mismanaged PR disaster. It's like they were ASKING players to leave.


When I saw the refund it was similar to looking at a tornado coming at my house, but my house was this game.

Then the immediate backlash, should have been bandaged with a higher %, now players are gone and not coming back
it saddens me, I like this game flourishing. now it's population is like halved :[.
Epic  Post #: 20
6/16/2013 15:10:44   
ReinVI
Member

variums useless? hardly... I can't tell how many times I wish I had the varium to change class/ get some of the little extra tidbits ( picking up rares at base stats to upgrade later ) cheaply with varium etc etc.. but I don't have any as of this moment and until I get a stable income odds are I won't be buying any xD

Sure they could add more aesthetic tid bits for more varium only differences but creating anything that influences balance ( cores on weapons don't count since all promos will be available to non-paying players 1 year after it's initial release ) should not even be thought of... perfect example is on atlantica online~

To be in the 'top tier' of pvp you have to consistantly be equipped with the newest mount/ wings purely because they offer stat advantages. the problem with that is it's 20$+ for a box that contains
these items.. best part? your not even 'guaranteed' to get the item as there gamble boxes that when you open gives you a random item based on the 'loot pool' of that box so there are people who literally spend 100's to 1000's every time a new box comes out... all for what? an extra 50-100 stat points :/ it's the power creep that comes from pay2win items that kills games
Epic  Post #: 21
6/16/2013 16:14:44   
axell5
Member

i agree so much with what @Mother1 said.
AQ DF MQ Epic  Post #: 22
6/16/2013 19:22:26   
Lord Barrius
Member
 
quote:

No "Financial" Discussions
Artix Entertainment appreciates every player, no matter how much he or she has spent on the game. Demeaning players because they have not upgraded, or vice versa, will not be permitted in any form. Since such discussions tend to devolve into flaming, we will no longer permit users to create threads about any sort of financial status. That means no Varium vs Non-Varium threads, no Free Player vs Paying Player threads, no threads about the unfairness of Varium prices, and so on. Anything related to finances will not be allowed. If you are unsure if the topic would be acceptable or not, ask the head moderator for permission before creating it.


There is a reason that rule exists. It's for threads like these, which serve no purpose except to whine unproductively about a perceived slight.

Locked.
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