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1/23/2015 12:38:40   
The berserker killer
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 It seems as if everyones forgetting about Assault Bot. Why not give it a buff by letting it affect Kartherax Special and abyss?
AQ DF Epic  Post #: 1
1/23/2015 13:19:37   
coolboyelazizy
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IMO Assault bot special is not that bad the problem is not much use debuffs in the current meta so it should affect Blood Hawk special and abyss and kratherax as they are debuffs and buff it's dmg a little bit.

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AQW Epic  Post #: 2
1/23/2015 13:39:56   
Ranloth
Banned


 Won't be happening. For the very same reason, Thorns (Bio Borg) aren't affected by Assault Bot - this is because Bots aren't meant to counter one another. So Assault Bot affecting any other Bots is out of the question.

It was outlined over 2-3 years ago, when all Bots were revamped and buffed/nerfed. The stance on Bots countering one another stands.

Edit: Uhhhh... What Mother1 said.

< Message edited by Trans -- 1/23/2015 14:35:56 >
AQ Epic  Post #: 3
1/23/2015 13:43:36   
Remorse
Member

IMO I think it should just have increased base damage.

The damage is one of the lowest of the bots needlessly.

Epic  Post #: 4
1/23/2015 14:27:12   
Mother1
Member

@ Trans

It was the Azreal borg nerfing the Bio borg not the Assault bot. The Assault bot used to nerf Black abyss bot's special before the bug was reported.

Epic  Post #: 5
1/23/2015 15:03:48   
Remorse
Member

^ I would hardly call that a bug, rather it's a bug for it not to work.


It makes no sense that the game has little rules such as bots don't work on bots.

What stupid logic.


If they need these pointless rules then the effect is broken to begin with then.



I wager no other RPG style game would make these stupid unjustified exceptions.

Epic  Post #: 6
1/23/2015 15:53:07   
  Exploding Penguin
Moderator


 Add 5%, +10 base damage, and the ability to use cleanse without setting the bot on cooldown. The fact that the bot special sets the basic attack on cooldown kills off half of the bot's viability.
Epic  Post #: 7
1/23/2015 17:20:24   
Mother1
Member

@ Exploding penguin

All of the robots function the same in this sense.
Epic  Post #: 8
1/23/2015 18:47:35   
The berserker killer
Member

 

 No one said bots were supposed to counter each other and I know you're part of the "team" but please stop saying things like "wont be happening". Thats highly discouraging.

The assault bot is different than most bots because of its ability to cleanse the target from debuffs. All I'm suggesting is that it targets all debuffs instead of selected ones. This is an old bot in game and it seems as if everyone has forgotten about it.

Bots aren't meant to counter each other, I support that fact however the Assailt Bot is meant to counter or it wouldn't have a skill like Cleanse. It should counter Karth, and Abyss.

P.S. How does one use thorns and assault bots cleanse when both specials are beneficial to the user yet you can only equip one bot at a time?

AQ DF Epic  Post #: 9
1/23/2015 18:53:23   
Ranloth
Banned


 It still will not be happening, even if it sounds discouraging. Not everything is possible, or has been vetoed already;
quote:

Azrael's Borg
[...]

It no longer affects Thorns because we don't want one bot to be a complete counter to another. This effectively prevented
the Bioborg bot from being useful in any real way.
Source: http://forums2.battleon.com/f/tm.asp?m=20608486
AQ Epic  Post #: 10
1/23/2015 19:00:19   
Mother1
Member

@ the berserker killer

Trans made a mistake with that statement. It was the Azreal borg that had the power to break the thorns buff not the assault bot. The only robot the Assault bot had power over in the past was the black abyss bot due to a bug that allowed the player to cleanse 65% of nercosis out.

However, The part about Trans saying it won't happen unfortunately for your suggestion is true. When they made it so the Azreal borg no longer had power over the bio borg they clearly said "We don't one robot to be a counter to another." So unless they have a change of heart A buff like this for cleanse won't be happening.

Epic  Post #: 11
1/23/2015 19:00:56   
The berserker killer
Member

 

 Its a good thing we're not talking about Azraels Borg then. Its not a complete counter, its a half counter.

You want counters? Frost yeti bot to kartherax, or frost yeti to blood hawk or even abyss. Countering... Frost yeti seems to be doing just that since it sure as heck will block or deflect any and every bot if its not the bot special. But even then, a counter to frost yeti? Use your bot special. Bot counters are happening already, its nothing new.

Its already happened, even if it sounds discouraging.

< Message edited by The berserker killer -- 1/23/2015 19:09:59 >
AQ DF Epic  Post #: 12
1/23/2015 19:14:47   
Mother1
Member

@ The berserker killer

Cyber yeti is not a counter to these special damage or effect. These effects are 100% unblockable and deflectable so they will get through.

Epic  Post #: 13
1/23/2015 19:16:28   
The berserker killer
Member

 

 I said *if its not the special attack. Special attacks are a counter to frost yeti
AQ DF Epic  Post #: 14
1/23/2015 19:23:28   
Mother1
Member

@ The berserker killer

They don't care if the normal attack is countered. However what they care about is one robot SPECIAL counter and another robot's SPECIAL for example How Heart attack used to counter thorns, and how cleanse due to a bug used to counter Necrosis. That is what they don't want.
Epic  Post #: 15
1/23/2015 19:25:27   
The berserker killer
Member

 

 No its not that they don't care its that they didn't anticipate this. Two different things
AQ DF Epic  Post #: 16
1/24/2015 2:00:42   
Remorse
Member

Even still that bot counter logic is stupid.


What bio borg needs is more strength.

NOT, the ability not to be countered by the heartattack bot.




If anything it would be better if these bots did counter each other.



You guys need to understand that a complete counter DOES NOT make the countered thing unusable, it just means timing needs to be more important.



They need strong counters to everything for healthy gameplay, otherwise you simply get copy builds with uncounterable strategies, and then players are forced to rely on luck to win with factors such as going first, and then we get huge complaints about not starting first.


Can you guys not see the big picture here?

We need counters.



Epic  Post #: 17
1/24/2015 2:38:29   
Mother1
Member

@ Remorse

Everyone has a different point of view. What you think the game needs another may think that it will destroy the game. However at the end of the day the staff has the final word and say what goes in their game. You could give them the solution that would fix the game 100% (Just using this for example) But if they say no then until they change their mind it is going to be that way.

To be honest I feel many of the older robots could use something to make them somewhat shine again because let's face it besides the infernal android and the gamma bot (wish while used more by player from but still rare) Most players don't look twice at the older robots.

I see the Assault bot used more at lower levels since it's cleanse works better since debuffs are stronger at lower levels but higher levels I the robot is used just a little bit more than both the bio borg and azreal borgs which is amount never.
Epic  Post #: 18
1/24/2015 12:11:37   
King Bling
Member

Kartherax Special is a counter to hawk and abyss for str users
Cyber Yeti Special is a counter to hawk an abyss for all users
Botanical Borg/Dark Botancial Borg is a counter to Cyber Yeti for all users
Bunny Borg is a counter for hawk and abyss for str users
All Yeti bots are counter for hawk and abyss for f5 f4 users
Botanical Hazard is a counter for Cyber Yeti for all users
Assault Bot being the weakest should counter high base damage i.e +20 and +40, or just remove that bot since its of no use.
Post #: 19
1/24/2015 12:26:30   
The berserker killer
Member

 

 I don't see the problem with buffing assault bot to be the only bot to counter all nerfs? Its not like im suggesting for a 200 base damage
AQ DF Epic  Post #: 20
1/24/2015 12:26:34   
Ranloth
Banned


 Nope. Being direct counter is cancelling the effect - whether it's partially (e.g. weakening it; Azrael Borg weakening Thorns), or completely. Neither of the above is a direct counter - Kartherax's effect cannot be directly countered by Blood Hawk or Black Abyss, since they are two different effects. They are counters, but not direct (like Azrael + Thorns was).

It sounds a bit confusing, but hopefully makes sense.
AQ Epic  Post #: 21
1/24/2015 13:49:26   
dfo99
Member
 

 actualy the katherax and cyber yet indirectly works like a counter to hawk and abyss bot. fail logic.
Post #: 22
1/24/2015 14:20:02   
The berserker killer
Member

 

 cyber yeti is a counter to each and every bots normal attack. Quote on Quote Trans said "we don't want one bot to be a complete counter to another". So with that being said, Cyber Yeti is not a complete counter since it does not counter a Bots special attack. Instead, Cyber Yeti should be considered a half counter. Correct?

That same logic applies to assault bot. Assault Bot does not counter any other bots normal attack, it should only counter special attacks which will indefinitely only make it a half counter instead of a COMPLETE counter.

Im just going based off of words and, to me, Assault Bots inability to counter other bot specials sounds like a bug to me.
AQ DF Epic  Post #: 23
1/24/2015 14:25:12   
Remorse
Member

^ The logic was always gonna be flawed.


Why would they allow counters to buffs/debuffs, and thats perfectly fine.


But as soon is it's a robot... OH NO WE CAN'T HAVE THAT!


makes zero logic.

Everything should have some sort of counter.
Epic  Post #: 24
1/24/2015 14:37:11   
The berserker killer
Member

 

 Exactly, that makes no sense. If anything keep assault bots dmg at 150, just allow it to counter each and every bots special. Both bots are defensive, both bots are half counters yet only one of these bots work.
AQ DF Epic  Post #: 25
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