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7/5/2015 0:44:54   
The berserker killer
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Its not rocket science. Players create alts, go to the alignment with the least people then eventually switch for free.
AQ DF Epic  Post #: 51
7/5/2015 8:48:32   
overdead
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A couple of days ago, switching to legion had a cost. I swear I saw it.
AQ AQW Epic  Post #: 52
7/5/2015 9:06:01   
One Winged Angel1357
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Okay we have run this discussion into the ground of when switching to what side cost money. I'm glad we figured this out but I am sure there are more pressing matters to talk about
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 53
7/5/2015 11:29:07   
overdead
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You mean the changes on wars which either does not happen OR we are not informed on the progress about because Ranloth, the most effective (and only?) communicator from the ED staff is gone?

Yeah, I guess we need to go back to speculating.
AQ AQW Epic  Post #: 54
7/5/2015 17:48:28   
Variation
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@overdead: It would help to have a lot more respect. Also while Ranloth was by far the most interactive staff member, it's extremely rude to implicitly attack the likes of OWA or anyone else for that matter who strives to provide better communication between the developers and the players.

When you stated,
quote:

You mean the changes on wars which either does not happen OR we are not informed on the progress about because Ranloth, the most effective (and only?) communicator from the ED staff is gone?

Yeah, I guess we need to go back to speculating.

even if sarcasm (which I would strongly hope you were being sarcastic) showed a huge level of not only disrespect to the volunteer members, but also discredit to those same volunteers who go out of their way to setup events such as EpicDuel Live Streams.

@Thread: (for those clearly playing as victims)
How the alignment change system works should be well known at this point, and for those who don't know how it works, that is a strong reason why past design notes are easily accessible.

Ignorance is no excuse to act like jerks. For any speculation arguments, it's apparent that those should be proposed in a formal manner. Not in an oblivious manner that disrupts the peace for those who may not even care, but at least have respect that we on this forum should all be entitled to.

The game at this point might be a laugh fest to some, it might be dead to some, and it might flat out suck to some, but at the very least, if anything, have respect.

Most early Gamma players especially would wince seeing the toxicity this community now possesses. It used to be strategy talk, promo talk, and even fierce competition sometimes resulting in hard feelings, but at the end of the day at least most players saw the greater good. They saw the raw potential this game has and did their absolute best to truly put the "Epic" in EpicDuel. Now the question becomes, what do you want, an EpicDuel? Or a WhineDuel?
Post #: 55
7/5/2015 18:03:45   
Lord Machaar
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@Variation:
overdead hasn't attacked anyone, he simply stated a sad truth, last balance change was over 2 months ago, and personally, many members/officers of my faction are constantly asking me when is the war? why the war bar doesn't show how many days are left to the next war? The only answer I've got is, the devs are working to fix it just hold on, but I've been saying so for the last couple of weeks. And if you check june 25's DNs, I clearly stated in post number 8, if there is a lack of testers, there are a lot of players who are willing to help, testers that you won't pay them and they will be more than happy to help develop the game (except me, reason indicated in the same post).
I respect OWA and the whole guest team, and ofcourse devs, and if overdead said anything that was clearly offending to one of them or OWA especially, I would probably stand against him, because we can't deny how the guest team helped this game, I mean without them, the game would have probably stopped one year ago.
Anyways, I hope you read overdead's reply again and understand what he is trying to transfer, if he didn't respect the guest team, he wouldn't have stated his anger (through sarcasm) due to the leaving of one of its members.

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Most early Gamma players especially would wince seeing the toxicity this community now possesses. It used to be strategy talk, promo talk, and even fierce competition sometimes resulting in hard feelings, but at the end of the day at least most players saw the greater good. They saw the raw potential this game has and did their absolute best to truly put the "Epic" in EpicDuel. Now the question becomes, what do you want, an EpicDuel? Or a WhineDuel?


I'm a beta/gamma/delta/omega player, the difference between gamma and now, when I used to play on gamma phase, devs were still working on the game, now they don't, that's first difference, the game had a future, since back then, mobile games weren't that popular. ED had each friday a major update, can you believe that? Each single friday, a stunning update, unless they were planning for bigger ones, they postponed some of them.
The community here isn't asking much, and if you read the forums now, the type of suggestions now are all balance-related, no one is asking for cores (which the whole PVP strategy revloves about, and the weapons' variety does pretty much rely on them), we aren't asking for major update, we aren't asking for major events, most are asking to balance what we already have, correct me if I'm wrong, 2vs2 battle mode does already exist, yes? why not balance it, you don't have enough testers? hire them, for free. Juggernaut battle mode doesn't already exist? why not trying to balance it? war system doesn't already exist why not balance it? once again, in all these requests, devs have 0 business, if they are busy, I wish them a good luck with their work, I'm sure the guest team will help, and in the end they volunteered for that, no one is forcing them to do so.
If you personally have no problem whatsoever if 2vs2 battle mode is broken or if juggernaut battle mode is borken or if war system is broken, that's totally your right, if you don't do much of PVPs, which is pretty clear to me, and you find your comfort doing NPCs, which is also pretty clear to me, I mean that's fine by me and probably by everyone, but you also have to respect the others when they are trying to speak about their interests.

< Message edited by Lord Machaar -- 7/5/2015 18:35:43 >
MQ Epic  Post #: 56
7/5/2015 19:19:15   
Variation
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@Lord Machaar: The post I quoted clearly exhibited disrespect to the other members of the team who go out and help with communication. I specifically did give a reference to OWA because of his dedicated support via Live Streams, but also Charfade and some of her disciples have helped a lot. I'm really for giving credit where it's due and which is why I, such as overdead gave a lot of credit to Ranloth. However, a firm line is crossed when one wants to add
quote:

...(and only?) communicator from the ED staff is gone?
Even if it was pure ignorance on overdead's behalf and no harmful intent, to phrase the entire statements the way overdead did completely threw the "(and only?)" out of the window.

Further backed up by,
quote:

Yeah, I guess we need to go back to speculating.


As if an even redundant response by OWA before his last post didn't make a difference. Or this thread for that matter.

All in all overdead's post wasn't hugely problematic I just hate when people lose credit. Even if mostly implicit it still matters.

Also you're right in a sense with his respect to the guest team, which is apparent -- however, this small gotcha "(and only?)" did nothing, but possibly ride on ignorance resulting in the discredit of the rest of the team.

That is all and if overdead truly didn't mean harm then I sincerely applaud him for understanding the general notion of credit.

The entire back and forth pointing out what some players like and what others like, etc. gets old pretty fast. It doesn't change the fact that when the developers do something there will always be some players ranting to the developers working on the game. Underdog Mode for instance received mainly criticism despite the fact that it serves as a balance mechanism that people oh-so-love complaining about. War 2.0 is here because people were tired of War 1.0 despite it having, in my opinion better constructs, and yet people are still complaining. I'm not gonna say this game is in some great condition because that would be running from the truth. What I will say, is the game we have now is the game a lot of players cried for, and that is pretty clear to me without riding on distortion. My EpicDuel to WhineDuel analogy has enormous merit in this game.

No matter what the developers do you'll always have some players against it. The players who disregard any effort the developers put into the betterment of the game. Sometimes it's not about things getting done, it's about the things that have been done. For those matter the most in a game especially like EpicDuel when reverting back could very well put this game on a real death bed and not a delusional one composed of negativity.
Post #: 57
7/5/2015 19:32:40   
One Winged Angel1357
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After reading all Variation has said I really don't have much to add other than I don't come here for casual discussion because my being a line of communication for the Dev's is, ironically enough, a burden more than anything else.

I will come into a thread if I see something that
A)is factually wrong being pushed as the truth
B)requires clarification. Example being how the alignment change system works
C)is a question that only the dev's can answer

And for C if I see something that is only a question for the dev's and I can't give an answer or don't have an answer to give then there is no point in me making a comment going sorry I have nothing to say about it. Comments about the war I am sorry but those fall under that.

While I am on the subject of the war I don't see why everyone is pushing so hard for it when as soon as it comes around all we will see is people claiming the system is broken, the dev's are helping one side, or balance is terrible and you are forcing us to fight. I'm sorry but all you are telling us is you don't want the wars when they are in effect and all you want is the wars when they aren't.

Final note if you want to join the glorious PR team and learn about the red tape I have to dance around just to talk with you guys feel free to make a writing portfolio and get it into the hands of any dev or guest and we will get it where it needs to go. The writing team handles all PR so myself and Silver Sky are all you have left, I'm sorry that we aren't Ranloth but we do our best and we all have very different skill sets
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 58
7/5/2015 20:30:50   
Lord Machaar
Member

@Variation:
It is near impossible to statisfy 100% of players, and that is for any game, not just ED, just take EA for example, this gaming company has faced and still facing tons of criticism, no matter what they do to satisfy their players, they lately added female clubs to their newest game FIFA 16, and guess what, tons of criticism even this feature won't affect the game, it just became a habbit.
Sure some communities can be nicer than others, but devs/guest team already know what they signed up for, and if you take a glance at the requirements you need to have in order to join the guest team; tolerance, and I'm sure OWA can confirm that. Since the beginning of the game, the ED community criticised, it intensified when Omega phase occured, so I'm sure devs got used to this amount of negativity.
I can't deny, I do get a bit negative sometimes and everyone does, unless you are seeking for a spot in the team. But everytime I express a negative feeling towards an update, I make sure I give many reasons why I do so, maybe even solutions, and that is ofcourse called constructive criticism, sadly not all ED players can do so. I'm also very supportive when I see something I spoke about being implemented (Underdog Mode) which ofcourse not everyone will like, I also am supportive when it comes to livestream, I make sure to attend OWA's livestreams and support him whenever I have the time to do so, just to let him know he has followers and he sure has a reason to do more livestreams in the future.
I personally don't like players who:
- Always criticise.
- Always compliment.
A something between both of this is a great mix, because you make sure that devs are encouraged enough (compliments) and are also going through the right road (criticism). Not everyone can sadly mix between both of them, but ofcourse, you can't force anyone to do so, if his replies are on-topic and respect the forums' rules, you can't really say anything about that.


< Message edited by Lord Machaar -- 7/5/2015 20:34:29 >
MQ Epic  Post #: 59
7/5/2015 22:11:50   
overdead
Member

I was surprised Var took my response with resentment. Perhaps I did err in failing to include "effective" in communicator to distinguish Ranloth's unique contribution. (Oh, I did. lel) Being a person whose work is in line with PR, we already hold high regard to the title "communicator." It's not someone who talks once in a while. It's someone who is almost omnipresent to conduct a steady flow of discussion. My post wasn't an insult to other devs (I honestly did not know OWA was a PR; I thought he only wrote stories for releases and thus would justifiably not know the balance changes), it was a regret for the loss of Ranloth (previously Trans).

And yes, I was being sarcastic. I was irked that a completely good discussion was told to be stopped for more "pressing matters." Anyone playing for the past months would know that there were increasing gaps in weeks of no new content released. We also have no idea when the war will come out nor the progress of it nor any reason why it's not out yet (from a reliable source). We're not even sure if next week will be just another restock or a power weekend or a biobeast update (IF the trend continues). You see, I can't really do anything about the lack in new content or the frequency of updates, and the least I could know are updates. Take AQW's devs for example and you'll realize how communication spells the difference between an understanding community when a release is delayed and a community left in the dark, left to speculate on nonexistent content.

< Message edited by overdead -- 7/6/2015 1:32:26 >
AQ AQW Epic  Post #: 60
7/6/2015 0:45:59   
Variation
Member
 

^No hard feelings. Thanks a lot for clarifying your intent.

As I said earlier,
quote:

I'm not gonna say this game is in some great condition because that would be running from the truth.

That statement is something I strongly stand by and yes it's extremely apparent that the developers are understaffed. I just find it important to note that even when the game is being updated a majority of players make the update seem like wasted effort.

< Message edited by Variation -- 7/6/2015 1:16:53 >
Post #: 61
7/6/2015 1:34:09   
overdead
Member

No problem bruh. I just wish they'd be done with biobeast so they can focus on ED again. :/ Too bad I only started playing a year ago. I visited this forum a few years back and it was mostly arguments but it was lively. I'd choose that anytime over this.
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