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7/11/2015 19:38:12   
The berserker killer
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Some changes need to be made to give strength some of its dignity. What I've noticed is that both of the str buffs are typically not useful at the moment. I mean not only are they nerfed but now they can be easily countered with azraels aux/bot.

My suggestion is to either raise the str gain on them, make them unaffected by azraels, or make them spammable so that you can re-cast them even if the buff is in effect
AQ DF Epic  Post #: 1
7/11/2015 20:02:23   
  Exploding Penguin
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The strength buffs are actually intended to or are more effective when used to give support builds an alternate form of offense, hence why they scale with support. They aren't meant to add on more strength to a build that already focuses on strength because of diminishing returns and contradicting scaling (typically strength/support glass cannon doesn't work anymore and therefore the skill contradicts itself if used on a high-strength build).

If you are a support build with very low strength a field commander or blood commander can raise your melee attack damage by a pretty high amount even with not that many skill points invested. Not to mention that the lifesteal given off of blood commander scales with how many strength points the buff itself gives. I can support increasing the base numbers by maybe a very minimal amount (like 3-4 points) but really if the skill does need a buff it should be more targeted towards its support scaling rate. This should probably be put in conjunction with something that reduces artillery strike's support-scaling damage (but maybe raise its base damage as compensation) so that support builds don't get crazy 2-turn damage output but require a bit more strategy in their build paths and usage of field commander to be effective.

My main point is that this skill is made mainly for support builds with low strength so that diminishing returns don't get in the way of its effectiveness, or for focus builds that can utilize it the best with a good amount of strength and support. The skill should maintain its integrity in this sense yet it really should become more of an option for support builds since it really isn't at all right now due to the fact that artillery strike is ALWAYS a better investment no matter what. If anything balance changes on this skill should be geared more towards 4-5 focus builds and high support builds.

Also the points brought up in the OP mostly regard just the fact that strength as a stat is bad and needs buffs, so that should also be targeted for new balance changes as well.
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7/12/2015 3:41:10   
SS
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The strength buffs are ok, it's the base that's lacking. A +60 to strength from a support abuser will get your melee damage high, there's no doubt about it, the problem is when there's no one to give you this buff.
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7/18/2015 12:58:19   
Stonehawk
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Strength is nerfed again! :/
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 4
7/18/2015 23:31:38   
shadow.bane
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str is not nerfed .... it's buffed on high amount of str and still the same in low ...

139 + 35 + (30 ranks) used to give me 702 now 711 << that's the nerf ur talking about ?
AQW Epic  Post #: 5
7/19/2015 1:28:35   
  Exploding Penguin
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Because it doesn't affect sidearm damage anymore so your offensive options with strength are very limited, especially with a class that doesn't have bludgeon so they are completely restricted to a single damage type.
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