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10/6/2015 1:25:04   
  Exploding Penguin
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Hey everybody, here's just a short analytical/informative post on exactly which class is actually best for using a focus build! This is based off of my own personal analysis so it is not the truth, it is just a theory supported by evidence that I will bring up. I'll try and keep it fairly short for you guys. This serves as nothing more than an informational post that will bring up discussion. Its motive is NOT to suggest any changes, although people may do so if they wish in their replies.

So, what exactly is a focus build? A focus build utilizes these main features that distinguish them from other builds:
-Reduced negative effects from diminishing returns through fairly equal stat spreads
-A robot that actually does quite a bit of damage. It is substantially higher than pretty much any other neutral* attack that a focus build has
-Overall, a build that typically thrives off of its neutral game** rather than an energy-centric battle that caster builds favor more.

* Neutral refers to attacks that don't require energy and are more than 1-use. This includes strike, regular gun attack, aux, and robot attack
** Neutral game refers to a fight where energy is pretty much not spent at all and all damage is done through neutral attacks. This is reminiscent of old phases where some classes had no ways of regenerating energy

So, what makes these focus builds good? What should the best class for a focus build offer?
-Tons of enhancing skills. Enhancing skills are stuff like debuffs. I typically do NOT count buffs as enhancers because they take a turn to cast and aside from the strength ones they are really more of a countermeasure. Debuffs also strike to deal a decent amount of damage on the same turn they're applied.
-An energy-related skill which forces the neutral game scenario to happen. This mostly pertains to skills which drain more than recover, however there are some exceptions where certain focus builds on classes benefit greatly off of tiny amounts of energy which, when drained, don't benefit the opponent much at all anyways

Now I'll go through each class individually, starting from the worst in my opinion, up to the best.

The Worst: TLM
Some people might argue that TLM can actually effectively run a focus build. In reality I guess it could but nowhere near as efficiently as its kit would hope to make it. Battery backup is a TERRIBLE skill for focus builds. It only feeds your opponents energy and makes it very hard for you to do your own thing aside from caster-based skills, which TLM has a ton of. This brings me to my next point that caster-centric classes will inherently not be that amazing at hosting focus builds because caster skills do not actually scale well at all with rounded-off stats. What a focus build wants are skills that benefit all other options the focus build can use. With the inability to drain energy to force a neutral game, TLM is easily the worst class for a focus build, given that you aren't using a club (which you shouldn't be). The only highlights of this class are toxic grenade, which I have MANY qualms with on a focus build, and frenzy, which is a skill that's literally just free everything. Free damage, free health, free energy. A very good skill that is completely inefficient to level up but as a focus build you have nowhere else to dump points into, actually just destroying the whole point of your build being efficient which is what focus builds enjoy. As for toxic grenade, this skill brings up a lot of problems. It is, hands-down, the highest base damage skill in the game bar none. It doesn't scale with anything aside from the initial cast damage but it will massively outdamage pretty much any skill in the game that aren't ultimate ones in almost all scenarios, while also costing barely any energy. Why do I not like this? Because your most efficient move on turn 1 is most likely going to be your robot as a TLM, and now you're slapping your build's efficiency in the face by having the option of using your toxic grenade or not. The absolute worst part of TLM focus though is that aside from frenzy you have pretty much no enhancing skills to improve your build's effectiveness and thus you're forced to dump points into mineral armor/blood shield/toxic grenade, the first 2 which are highly situational and will rarely be used.

Pretty Bad: TM
I would contest this to be 4th rather than 5th but after the bludgeon nerfs this class's focus builds are near dead. The only good skills this class really has are technician and assimilation. As previously explained the wide array of caster skills at your disposal are pretty useless aside from supercharge which can only be accessed by wasting 2 skill points along your tree to get to the skill. Technician is a great skill because it just improves your deflection chance by a lot as well as your resistance and robot damage while barely costing anything, but is still a defensive buff and has its limitations. Malfunction is very, very weak in both actual effectiveness and just its base numbers while costing a fair amount of energy. Bludgeon's base cost and damage are nowhere near as efficient as it once was and therefore cannot really be run on a focus build. If anything you should just dump most of your skill points into assimilation and field medic, since with all that energy regeneration a high field medic is near impossible to stop, but you don't really have any other options but to outheal some builds. And you will not actually be capable of outhealing many opponents who have a strong energy drain, with the only types of builds you can outheal being the ones with very strong initial burst and nothing to offer afterwards.

Not the Best. At all: CH
mehhhhhh. This class. It's so quirky in this meta in so many ways. At first you might think it's great at running focus builds because it forces a neutral crazy easily with EMP. Unfortunately, that is the only thing this class has to offer which is beneficial for a focus build on it. Static charge would be an amazing skill on a class like BH but on CH it is pretty useless. Once you get that energy you can't actually use it on anything good for a focus build? wtf is this? Your best options are just shadow arts, field medic, and another EMP really. I actually don't know what to think of this class at all because its base damage values are bad, it doesn't gain enough energy to actually do anything other than EMP again unless you stack 2 static charges' worth of energy which will not happen against anyone aside from TLM, and it really can't have an impact on the battle. This might actually be 5th place but TM is also really bad so I'll just stick it here and say they're both about the same-ish

Getting Better: BM
This class used to be #2 in my opinion, but bludgeon nerfs killed it. Energy parasite is an overcriticized skill which definitely requires very skilled timing to use. It also favors what BM initially was which was a class that did not need much energy to function very well through staple skills like intimidate and bludgeon. However, intimidate fell out of meta after the strength nerfs so it's a dead skill, and bludgeon's level 1 efficiency got smashed with a hammer so it's unusable now. If anything, this class really only has 2 main skills to offer that greatly benefit focus builds. 3 actually, if you factor in plasma cannon which is quirky in its own way so I will get to it. First of all, lifesteal, particularly mark of blood, is an amazing skill on focus builds because not only does it not cost that much and applies damage and the debuff on cast, it provides lifesteal for ALL damage you deal to that target. You simply apply this and any move you make on your opponent heals you! The best enhancer skill IMO, any class which has this will just be better with focus builds. The second skill is actually going to be energy parasite. Energy parasite is a skill a lot of people think is bad, but they just can't use it right. It's supposed to be timed precisely to mess up your opponent's energy regeneration, kind of like a harder to use version of hatchling rush since the duration is shorter. Plasma cannon is a nice skill because by itself, especially when it crits, provides a MASSIVE amount of instantaneous damage which is one weakness focus builds lack. It punches through tanks and opposing focus builds very easily. The only drawback is its high cost which can really limit your energy consumption on other essential skills, but since this class gets a lot of healing from blood commander it actually does not need energy for other skills and thus is more free to use plasma cannon. However, merc is a lot easier to play and features a lot of similar characteristics so I am going to say that this falls just a tiny smidgen below merc.

This class can finally do something: Merc
I really don't see merc at all these days, but what I can say that is that the class has a really good foundation for a strong focus build. With hybrid armor being just downright broken (it's basically a modified version of shadow arts that favors tanky builds more, which is way better in most cases), and static smash returning a LOT of energy while also draining even more, this class has a good foundation for a focus build. Put blood commander into the mix which just improves your strike damage AND adds a decent amount of lifesteal which is actually the main indicator of which classes run the best focus builds and this class is set. Maul is also an amazing skill which is very cheap, deals a nice bit of bonus damage through ignoring defenses, and has a small chance to stun. Surgical strike, if you choose to invest skill points to get to that skill, is great for reducing damage done to you through the rage reduction. Bunker buster functions similarly to plasma cannon but I think there's too many places to invest skill points in to have any room for it on an optimal build, although there are definitely different types of focus builds which can also utilize it well, just not as well as if that focus build had dumped investments in other skills. Overall, a lot of skills which work well with static smash since they are low-cost, and these skills are really great for focus builds too. People don't play this class a lot at all but I bet you that if they start picking up a blood commander + hybrid armor-centric focus build they can really reach new heights with it.

The best class for focus builds: BH
I don't need to explain again why mark of blood is amazing. Not only that but static grenade is a skill designed for removing energy from a fight. The tiny amount it gives is PERFECT for using a mark of blood or smokescreen after. This is one of the rare cases where a debuff is strong, and it's because once you drain your opponent's energy, they don't really have much of a response to a debuff, so I would suggest maybe investing a few points into smokescreen. Smokescreen is a good enhancer skill that synergizes incredibly well with mark of blood to grant even more healing off of damage. People might argue that CH can also do the same thing but initiate the scenario faster with its stronger drain, but since CH does not have lifesteal and needs field medic to recover health, it just ends up dying too quickly to supplement the sub-par early damage that focus builds typically have. The holy trinity of this class is MoB, static grenade, and smokescreen, which all synergize with each other way to well for BH to not be considered the best runners of focus builds

Agree? Disagree? Leave your thoughts in your replies below! Please at least give some solid reasoning as to why you agree or disagree. Kind of tired of hearing people spout stuff out of their mouth and being really vocal without actually justifying any of their statements.
Epic  Post #: 1
10/6/2015 3:13:51   
Front45
Member


Exploding Penguin
Focus build is my favourite, because u can use everything: primary, gun, aux, robot, primary cores and etc. plus u don't playing as robot. u forgot tell for which rank? because all class are good if it is high rank 30+

let i will say my opinion.

1.TLM's focus build is 40% good and 60% bad. but Frenzy skill really helps this class, also surgical strike works fine, don't forget poison. but u forgot support build is op 1 vs 1 and also one of the best are strength build with poison grenade

2. TM focus 5 build i will say also it is 40% good and 60% bad. same as TLM. but u can clever play with focus 5 tm, if u have 360-370 dex and 100hp, u can use technician for more tech and for more robot damage, its works fine. so it is solution. but 1 vs 1 is op class tm strength build. also one of the best is tank build for 2 vs 2

3. cyber hunter i will say it is 70% good and 30% bad. this class in enhanced. also 2 skills emp grenade and static charge works fine with 3 cool downs. this class is good too in 2 vs 2 with tank build

4. blood mage i will say 70% good and 30% bad. we all know for blood mages there is only available focus 5 build, its so bad. but there are some support builds too. but BM is not good in 1 vs 1 because it's weak against support tlm, against strength tlm, against str tm. against bh and ch there is 50%-50% chance i think, but with same rank, sometimes ch and bh are more stronger because of energy parasite is weak. i think bm is the only 1 class which has more interesting skills and u will not be bored: plasma cannon, intimidate, bludgeon and sometimes mark of blood, but also on focus 5 there is unusable and useless skills: fireball, overload, plasma rain, supercharge.

5. merc is totally dead. this class point is only hybrid armor for protect 4 turns. but need one more thing for be strong this class. make static smash improve with technology and some weeks after give it 3 cool down. it will works 100%

6. bounty hunter low rank player it is 30% good and 70% bad. because for 4 turns u are getting only 210-215 energy. plus smoke is not so good against focus 5 players. and mark of blood also. this class has many unusable skills: cheap shot, stun grenade, multi shot, venom strike, masscare and sometimes shadow arts. these skills are inactive playing with focus 5 build and left only smoke screen and mark of blood which are ruined. i have BM and BH and play with BM game is more interesting than bh, because even one big reason, energy skill is 3 cool down on bm. it is hard to play when main energy skill is 4 cool down

< Message edited by Front45 -- 10/6/2015 3:23:48 >
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10/6/2015 7:30:06   
Foulman
Member

TM has infinite energy, even against BH. Steal all of their Battery, but Assimilate still gives 80+ energy. Do it twice, and you've got a heal. So TM is the best Focus class, because of energy control. Could anyone tell me how to stop these heal loops?
Front45, if Merc is going to have a tech scaling static smash, then do that for BH as well.
TLM has Frenzy, Poison, Battery, Blood Shield, Arty and SS. That's one tech nuke that drains health and rage, one undeflectable multi that scales with support, a shield that does not increase its costs as it improves, a free move that gives free health and free energy, Battery Backup which gives infinite energy and Poison which does at least 420 damage at MAX and has no requirements at all. The TLM is only lacking in EP drains, but when you have an Ultimate and a Poison that have no weapon requirements as well as Battery Backup to ensure that at least one move will be used, you have one of the best focus builds in the game. Poison is not supposed to be used at the start of a fight. It's supposed to be a deterrent for the opponent to heal early, and is supposed to combine with rage and nukes to destroy the enemy. Oh, and Mineral shield provides a lot of protection and cannot be debuffed in any way.
Tech-focus Cybers are good. You don't necessarily need 5 focus, just like every other focus build. A medium high health build combined with high defenses at the cost of tiny bits of offense really helps.

< Message edited by Foulman -- 10/6/2015 15:19:14 >
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10/6/2015 12:40:41   
Ghost78
Member
 

Here is my list from best to worst generally.

1. CH. It's a very underrated class. It got the best tools to eliminate your opponents energy pool while having more energy yourself. Since this class's skill set scales the best out of any class with technology it synergises well with focus builds. With defense matrix you can overcome the lack of high dexiterity and start a healing loop.

2. BH. Mark of blood, smoke screen synergise well with each other. The healing is great. It's IMO the best build for BH.

3. BM, mark of blood and plasma cannon synergise well. The fact energy parasite steals energy over two turns counters battery using classes.

4. TM. a few points on Super charge and technical does synergise well with this build. I have been able to beat every class with this build but struggle the most against cyber hunters due to their overwhelming ability to "outenergy" me.

4. TLM in case the player is using a club. From my experience, it works well but struggles the most against CH or a focus 5 BH. Surgical is the best ultimate in the game and the fact it lowers rage by 50% helps alot. you will need a club to put a point in atom smasher which drains a good deal of mana.

5. Mercs. It's quite strong with hybrid armor and Bunker. I just feel in a meta where "outenergy'ing" your opponent is important, this class is energy hungry.

Since the game is rock/paper/scissors. A bottom class on this list can beat an upper class. I am rating in terms of reliability.




< Message edited by Ghost78 -- 10/6/2015 12:41:30 >
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10/6/2015 14:54:28   
shadow.bane
Member

it goes like this (from first to last) : tlm , bh , bm , tm , ch , merc .

this is why you need a level 40 to participate in such suggestion . used to do 92 % + with bh . after last update which benefited tlm a little bit gave him the ability to best at focus now . with ratio that exceed 95 % . just play a poison trap focus 5 build u will know what i mean ! and ill be realising new focus 5 tlm vid by next week u should check it out and maybe delete this post forever .

@foulman chech this post and u might also change ur mind about that tlm is the only class that can play poison trap focus 5 heal loop builds . (http://forums2.battleon.com/f/tm.asp?m=22035330)

< Message edited by shadow.bane -- 10/6/2015 14:57:20 >


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AQW Epic  Post #: 5
10/6/2015 15:20:23   
Foulman
Member

The url is not working, shadow.bane.
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 6
10/6/2015 16:00:36   
Darkwing
Member

I don't think mark of blood is that great. When I was BM, I faced many tanks, most with many ranks and I got like 40 hp back I think.

Also, BH focus sucks with hard bosses. Even more when they run out of energy.

And EMP is broken. Any skill based build that faces a CH is doomed. It steals almost full energy just like that. And 5 f CH also has now that plasma grenade. Cheap energy cost, high damage, stun chance.



< Message edited by Darkwing -- 10/6/2015 16:01:35 >
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10/6/2015 17:24:35   
  Exploding Penguin
Moderator


Just a reminder that the ranking has nothing to do with balance at all and has no indicator of which class is stronger/weaker. It just lists, in my opinion, which classes are best optimized for focus builds.

@Foulman:

The URL works. Copy and paste it into your browser search


Sorry, I should have clarified. When I said ranking I was referring to my ranking of the 6 classes with regards to their focus build usage. I was not talking about legendary ranks.

Double post merged ~PyroPuppy

< Message edited by PyroPuppy -- 10/13/2015 17:44:37 >
Epic  Post #: 8
10/7/2015 0:25:07   
Cyber Dream
Member

As long as you have the OP IA bot then any class, but if I had to choose I would say tm because of the energy control. The bot needs to be nerfed, it does to much damage on rage...even against tank builds
AQW Epic  Post #: 9
10/7/2015 0:47:11   
  Exploding Penguin
Moderator


IA isn't necessarily OP, it's just a better bot for focus builds than pretty much any other one. However, IA is probably better than pyro fly on a focus build, but pyro fly by itself on any other type of build such as caster TM is completely broken.

If anything robots need to not sacrifice the special effects they are given for their damage on focus builds because it makes it hard to run anything without high damage on its special on a focus build.
Epic  Post #: 10
10/7/2015 10:16:23   
nowras
Member

TLM Is the worst? Please

The best class for a 5 focus build is TLM the 2nd is BH then BM then TM then Ch then Merc


Post edited to remove unnecessary content ~M4B

< Message edited by Melissa4Bella -- 10/13/2015 17:44:49 >
AQW Epic  Post #: 11
10/7/2015 13:09:41   
racing.lo.mas
Member

You guys are saying that CH is bad for focus, but you are wrong. CH focus is really op, i would say that is the second class (best is TML).
You have to play smart, knowing when to use EMP and the rest of skills.

< Message edited by racing.lo.mas -- 10/7/2015 13:12:28 >
Epic  Post #: 12
10/8/2015 9:09:54   
Front45
Member


No matter what class you are, because high rank 40+ all classes good. main is ranks not class. this is bad thing for ED

< Message edited by Front45 -- 10/8/2015 9:10:37 >
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10/8/2015 14:24:09   
shadow.bane
Member

900 hp
620 ep

45 + 0
52 + 35
82 + 35
45 + 14

1 1 3
M 4 1
- 1 M
- 4 7

try this build for tlm and tell me it's not the focus 5 best class ... with or without ranks it works 100 % .
AQW Epic  Post #: 14
10/8/2015 18:10:19   
nowras
Member

900 hp
620 ep

45 + 0
50 + 35
84 + 35
45 + 14

1 1 3
M 3 1
- 1 M
- 4 8

This one is better lol
AQW Epic  Post #: 15
10/8/2015 23:47:59   
shadow.bane
Member

^ again took 2 dex put to tech took one mineral put to poison lol , that's so nowras :D
AQW Epic  Post #: 16
10/9/2015 9:57:37   
Noobatron x3000
Member

I disagree I would say Ch is the best 5 focus with the emp increasing with tech to drain a devastating amount of mana while increasing bot damage .

The shields both adding hard increases to your def and res def matrix is fine at 1 and the res armour is fine at 2 since both your defences will be 300+ , and a level 1 malf and level 7 plasma counter with the shields and emp will hard counter the mighty dex bh and support merc.

With very little mana costs allowing you to static charge and heal loop.

I would argue ch with the mighty IA is the most powerful 5F build out there.

Mercs garbage strong enough emp they cant regain enough without wasting 2 turns.

Tlm same problem to get any heavy dmg batterie wont give them enough to use there heavy damage and heal

BM same problem Parasite a absolute retard can counter.

BH and tm aren't to bad but harder to use BH probably being a lil stronger then the TM. with MoB and smoke being useful to a 5 F ,
Post #: 17
10/9/2015 19:26:32   
  Exploding Penguin
Moderator


There seems to be a lot of confusion regarding the claim of the class "best" for focus builds. When I say best I'm talking about which one is built most optimally for a focus build. How you interpret this is up to you, but my analysis is written based off of this. Meaning that a TLM focus build can easily have a higher win rate than a Merc Focus build, but doesn't really mean that TLM is better suited for using a focus build compared to mercenaries.
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