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6/27/2016 8:07:13   
nowras
Member

Being a rank 80 is the worst thing ever in this game; You never start first whatever your support is, you get less luck, you get weaker stats and damage against lower ranked people and they have a 100% chance to go 1st which I don't understand
people keep complaining that you're a max ranked player and they never know that a rank 27 is stronger.. Like for example:

1- Rank 29 is the best for builds for stat spammers like dex builds, support builds, etc...

2- Rank 39 is the best for a focus glass cannon build (750 hp 45+20+2 dex 101+35+2 tech 45+29+2 sup max plasma)

3- Rank 49 is the best for a non-TLM focus build.

4- Rank 59 is the best for a TLM focus build.

5- Rank 69 isn't the best at anything but better than 70+.

6- Rank 79 isn't the best at anything but better than rank 80+.

7- Rank 80 is the worst rank after rank 1-24 and is something you get disgusted from reaching.

8- Rank 19 is the best at tank builds but, tank builds aren't good anyways..



Solution for this thing that can't be tolerated and can make people quit:


A legendary shop for rank 80+ that contains the following things:

1- Permanent +6 cores for only 250 Varium.

2- A new version of War Commander called Legendary War commander. It costs 1500 credits and has 20 charges and works the same way as +6 cores (losses count but, you don't get a drop).



Why not a shop for rank 60+ why only 80+?

Because it will make you have a goal, the goal is to reach a cool rank and get cool features! Plus, giving this feature to rank 60+ players will make them better than 80+ players and won't solve the problem.




< Message edited by nowras -- 7/7/2016 21:33:07 >
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6/27/2016 8:45:03   
Lord Abdi
Member

The whole point of bringing underdog to the game is so that low rankers can have a chance in winning against high rankers and you wanna more high rankers more tank than they already are? Are you kidding me? I mean...how could you possibly not understand that.
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6/27/2016 8:48:45   
nowras
Member

How couldn't you understand that the purpose of underdog was to make lower ranked people just a little bit better when they fight a high ranked player not them being stronger than the high ranked players BY A LOT. Plus, you could use +6 cores at any rank/level just not permanent ones. What's your point now?

Just imagine a rank 29 using a support build vs a rank 80 using exactly the same build now tell me who will win. Without a single doubt if they both have the same IQ level then the rank 29 would farm the 80 as he will 100% start first and he will have way stronger aux damage and multi damage with higher defense and resistance.

Imagine a rank 49 using a focus build also with the same IQ level fighting a rank 80. Logically, the 49 will win because he will 100% start first and will have more defense, resistance, aux damage, bot damage, gun damage and skill damage (such as plasma cannon) while the rank 80 will just have 11 more primary damage and 28 more heal and -10 to the cost of the cores.

IN WHAT LOGIC can a lower ranked person be stronger than a higher ranked person? Get your facts straight.

< Message edited by nowras -- 6/27/2016 9:08:46 >
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6/27/2016 8:52:36   
shadow.bane
Member

Abdi bro the thing is nowras is right people worked hard to reach rank 80 + to get this feature while paid 1.5 million credits to unlock all ranks while underdog players did nothing and get extra points .
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6/27/2016 9:02:55   
leahnrachel
Banned

 

 Remove ranks then..... buff them and rank 80+es will be the only ones playing in that level rng I promise
Post #: 5
6/27/2016 9:10:41   
nowras
Member

That's not a buff to rank 80s as I said. It will just make people want to reach rank 80 for the cool features, you can already use +6 cores at any level/rank. They are just permanent ones and they cost varium only so, not everyone will be able to afford them.
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6/27/2016 9:11:06   
Lord Abdi
Member

I don't see what point you're trying to make here. Logically speaking, underdog was created to give weaker players a fighting chance, and in general the game has no balance. So, at least that ones one thing I guess you could call balance for someone. If there was anyway to make a balance for the game where both sided players (high rankers and low rankers) could be happy a bout I'm sure they will but there's just too low of a capacity to happen.



"Just imagine a rank 29 using a support build vs a rank 80 using exactly the same build now tell me who will win. Without a single doubt if they both have the same IQ level then the rank 29 would farm the 80 as he will 100% start first and he will have way stronger aux damage and multi damage with higher defense and resistance. " The 29 might have a start but you just can't rely on who goes 1st to decide on the winner. The game is called an MMORPG strategy game for reason. Maybe, you wouldn't see it as one sided as that if you actually came up with a strategy once in a while to win the match instead thinking it's over because you didn't go 1st any **** like that let alone where deflects and such could change the gameplay of the match because of how broken the RNG of the game is.


Now please child, try to make a point against me when the only point your trying to make isn't how the person that starts 1st will automatically in your head be the winner.
Post #: 7
6/27/2016 9:22:47   
nowras
Member

Firstly, don't comment impolitely or they will block this thread.

Secondly, If after all that you just understood that the first turn is the only thing a lower ranked person gets then I don't know what to say.. But, whatever..


I said the lower ranked person gets more aux damage, defense, resistance and multi damage.


quote:

where deflects and such could change the gameplay of the match because of how broken the RNG of the game is.


Yup, they do Sherlock and guess who has higher chance for them? The lower ranked person.


quote:

try to make a point against me when the only point your trying to make isn't how the person that starts 1st will automatically in your head be the winner.


It's not the only point and I actually, had stated before you even wrote this reply that they also get higher defense, resistance, aux and multi damage. Not to mention that first turn can actually make someone win because in my examples everyone had the same IQ level. If you don't know what's the IQ level then google it before trying to find useless excuses that don't have any proof.



< Message edited by nowras -- 6/27/2016 9:24:06 >
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6/27/2016 9:49:55   
Lord Abdi
Member

#1) This thread is irrelevant


#2) The only point you ever try to make here was on how the person that starts would get the win.


#3) The lower rank person would only get more defense,resistance,etc on how big of a gap between the person he/she is facing and also depending on what types of build they're using. You're basing your theory on one thing and that is if both were to have supports builds. That's where there is a flaw to your theory which you believe to think is a fact. If focus builder were facing off. They wouldn't have the same defense and resistance even if they have their defense and resistance tiers unlocked because both would carry different type of focus builds. If you don't understand that then I don't know what would make you understand.


#4) Every time someone starts doesn't assure their victory. You're trying so hard to make that a fact so hard when you have no proof and how stupid that would seem because you honestly wouldn't have to try so hard to win. Every 1st start doesn't assure your victory. If your IQ were any higher, you would know that for a fact!

You make it a fact that the person that gets most luck in matches are the low ranks because they have underdog. If someone hasn't told you already let me be the one to tell you; the game is already broken. The RNG is broken. It has no real balance. What amuses me in all the stupidity you carry is how you constantly complaining on how the matches are unfair, un-ruling as such when you've made a state of how you get lucky all the time when you're making a video. So what proof can you possibly tell me that theres a problem with having underdog mode when you as well get the same luck as others may have.


I hope you get something out of this!
Post #: 9
6/27/2016 10:42:11   
nowras
Member

quote:

If focus builder were facing off. They wouldn't have the same defense and resistance even if they have their defense and resistance tiers unlocked because both would carry different type of focus builds. If you don't understand that then I don't know what would make you understand.


quote:

Every 1st start doesn't assure your victory. If your IQ were any higher, you would know that for a fact!



When I say both people have the same IQ level I mean you must imagine yourself against yourself but, the first you is a rank 49 and the second you is a rank 80 and you're fighting against each other using a focus build. Both of you have the same build, exactly. Your first you starts first due to underdog and gets higher bot, aux and gun damage and more defense, resistance and skill damage when your second you gets just 11 more primary damage and +20 heal and -10 to the cost of the cores while luck is ignored. Now you, yourself will answer me who will win and I hope you understand what I meant from the beginning.




< Message edited by nowras -- 6/27/2016 10:48:22 >
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6/27/2016 11:17:05   
Altador987
Member

ignoring all the useless back and forth bantering, i really don't see why they don't just make it so ranks only range in 10s... in other words a rank 29 should never fight a rank 80...ever. I mean I guess the current lack of players would be an excuse but maybe players would come back if they felt the ranking system were made a lil more fair. I have to say though as a rank 1 who has fought ranks higher than 100... underdog really doesn't do all that much in comparison to what you get with those 100 ranks... think of it this way:

With ranks you can add defense and res, meaning you can reallocate certain stats that were used specifically for a certain amount of res/def to other more useful stats (like HP, or Mp etc.) Same with weapon damage and bot damage.

Most of my matches end up super close regardless of rank/luck because i'm a very good strategist however I simply can't beat the advantages given to those with higher ranks regardless of who goes first... which should happen.
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6/27/2016 11:25:55   
nowras
Member

I have suggested a better and more fair underdog mode system before but, unfortunately, the devs just don't listen to great ideas saying that ''it takes too much time to implement.'' My suggestion now actually, won't buff rank 80s. It will just make them save credits (By buying permanent +6 cores and a better war commander) and time (Not having to play a lot to reach 5k influence) and can make it a rank you feel like reaching not a rank you get disgusted from reaching.
AQW Epic  Post #: 12
6/27/2016 11:31:35   
Altador987
Member

lol... ok not to be rude, but "great ideas" would be a matter of opinion, and even still if that idea was so great and they weren't interested in implementing that one then why bother mentioning this one? that's kind of redundant no?

Sidenote i wasn't arguing whether or not to buff lvl 80s or whether i felt your post stated that. But now upon rereading your OP if you feel that implementing the idea to lvl 60 ranks would make them stronger than rank 80s then your are in fact indirectly stating you wish to buff 80s (not that this is a problem they may very well need a buff).
AQW Epic  Post #: 13
6/27/2016 12:50:38   
nowras
Member

I don't want to buff 80. I just want make it a goal for people, not something you don't wanna reach.. And again I mentioned this one because they said there's no way that one will be implemented due to the very long time it needs to be coded so, yea, we shall look for alternative solutions such as this one.

< Message edited by nowras -- 6/27/2016 12:56:52 >
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6/27/2016 13:27:19   
leahnrachel
Banned

 

 Lets be serious for a minute.

And stop trying to get your player buffed....... Underdog does nothing...... a few stat points only help on LUCK factors and that's all they are LUCK factors.... The chance of the few points causing much of a difference to the battle is tiny....

The higher rank player however is taking 30 less damage and dealing 30-40 more damage everytime he uses a weapon , The longer the battle lasts the more that advantage stacks.....

Its the higher ranks that have it way to easy

The only way to fix ranks , Is remove them

/thread....
Post #: 15
6/27/2016 14:12:23   
nowras
Member

If you're a rank 1-23 then yea I feel you, that's the reality there but, once you reach rank 24, you will find rank 80s easy and you will start to win and even right now I bet rank 49 players are even harder for you than rank 80s.
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6/27/2016 14:34:17   
8x
Member

Put yourself in the developers shoes and ask yourself whether it would even be worth using their resources on creating a shop that only a few players (the ranks 80+) will ever get to use.
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6/27/2016 14:35:05   
leahnrachel
Banned

 

 I'll say again the only solution is removing ranks they cant weaken or remove underdog , it alrdy doesn't balance the fight at all.

The only way to keep ranks and removed underdog would be to make it so you cant face anyone above 10 ranks +/-

But underdog doesn't help at all so I agree its broken and extremely unfair on the LOWER ranked player... mathematically his chances of winning without luck against a equally skilled opponent are slim to nill.....

Underdog needs buffing , matchmaking needs tightening with ranks, Or ranks have to be removed its that simple.... The devs will never buff ranks or nerf underdog their not so foolish, If anything ranks will be nerfed and underdog buffed.
Post #: 18
6/27/2016 14:52:47   
nowras
Member

@8x They already have all the coding for the shop it would just take 10-20 minutes to implement that feature.


@leahnrachel

If they listened to my first suggestion (Making underdog mode give the lower ranked person 50% of what the higher ranked person has of perks and making 1st turn chance for rank 1-20 players higher and for rank 30-70 lower) then it would mean it's a nerf and buff to underdog.. A buff for low ranked players and a nerf for mid ranked players.
And again I repeat this is not a buff why is it hard to understand that it's not a buff? It's just features that don't affect in battle... (Sure +6 cores affect in battle but, you can already buy them at any level so, it's not something exclusive for only rank 80 players).
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6/27/2016 16:38:07   
8x
Member

I guess you've got a point. And the shop contents don't seem to be anything too complicated.

The pattern of the shops goes, rank 1, 15, 50. It would be kinda odd if they put the shop at 80. They should just put the shop at rank 100. That way, you will have more motivation to get there. hehe :P
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6/27/2016 16:51:21   
leahnrachel
Banned

 

 Ranks should NOT be in the game , You are not getting it

50% of ranks is way to much of a advantage , They never had enough people playing where a 38 wouldn't face a 40 60% plus of there battles. Now they have a hundred ranks , breaking matchmaking even further , You cant add power like ranks if you don't have enough people , Or you will constantly end up with lol fights that are over before they begin.

No just no.......

No buffs no ranks, No changes to ranks other then nerfs or removal , Ranks aren't balanced simple.
Post #: 21
6/27/2016 17:43:00   
Altador987
Member

I should make clear I'm not actually against your idea, though i'm against denying that it's a buff (if it wasnt meant to in some way help you wouldnt have bothered mentionng the idea, there's nothing wrong with suggesting a buff...) i'm just wondering if maybe we balanced ranks themselves out we either: a) wouldnt need said idea...or b) could use it for more rewarding and interesting rewards based purely on want as opposed to a need.

@leanrachel
we understand you want ranks moved nowras arguing a point doesn't mean he doesn't understand your point of view
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6/27/2016 18:09:40   
Lord Abdi
Member

I'll say it again, underdog was meant to help low rankers so their chance of winning could be better than it already was. Now, your complaining about it because underdog increased people win rate and if underdog wasn't in the game I'm sure you would have no problem of how the balance is because you have the advantage of winning your battles, and I'm sure that's the way you like it.


The only thing your thinking about right that you've come to a conclusion of removing underdog mode is because you face high rankers that are at least have your hank and so they get a pretty big buff. Now, how slim would it look like if underdog was removed and you were facing ranks 1-10 when they can only unlock 1 tier when you got 8/10 tiers already? Wouldn't that match be 1 sided and you most likely being the winner because you were the only to most likely win the match. I don't know what kind of "BS" people get at a high lvl but I can assure you I get just same amount of bs in battles as well.

When you're suggesting to give high rankers +6 cores and saying it's also not a buff at the same time when it's only exclusive to rank 80 players then what should you call that? Balance? No! The game already has no balance in general and you want to add more failed balances that you think would save the game or at least any good than it used to be. Anybody that agrees with Darkness Lord only agrees because you either believe you get the same called "bs" as him or you just want to be more buffed when the idea let alone logic for underdog was to help others for far off people they really don't have a chance winning against.


As Bane said, the RNG is broken and so that's where the luck factor comes in. Not the underdog mode. There's shops where you can have +6 stats of everything and another shop for +1 and 2 stat points for everything else as well. You want to make something that's already been in the game for a while now exclusive because your not getting so much of an advantage in matches anymore.
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6/27/2016 18:28:06   
Lord Machaar
Member

Just to clear some things up, individuals who have a lot of wins vs NPCs (due to one way or another) to earn exp/credits, shouldn't be really talking much about a mode, that is mainly meant for PVP players, and talk how much affected they are by its removal/revamp. (Gifting credits has helped vast majority to unlock them).

The only way to fix legendary mode is by removing it. (Said by a rank 63 player who played PVP to get there). When I suggested the underdog mode with Ranloth, we discussed the removal of ranks before applying such system. I think Rabblefroth should've listened back then and removed this system altogether.

< Message edited by Lord Machaar -- 6/27/2016 18:37:53 >
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6/27/2016 18:33:34   
nowras
Member

@LordAbdi It's not because I'm not winning... It's because when you reach rank 80 you get disgusted, that feeling shall not exist.. YOU SHALL BE EXCITED when you REACH rank 80. How can we make it exciting? By giving them permanent +6 cores and a better WC. That's it, not a big deal and not even a buff, it's just what you can say, credits saving.

I agree with you @LordMachaar but, the game won't do it so, we have to think about other solutions. (I only NPCed legally [without botting] when I was a rank 6 fighting rank 60s with no underdog then I stopped at rank 27 and continued without NPCing so, I'm someone who actually, had a harder time than you machaar to reach rank 80.)

< Message edited by nowras -- 6/27/2016 18:42:52 >
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