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7/22/2016 13:15:17   
nowras
Member

It looks like this war is rigged. This time they didn't rig it directly like in the last war cycle, this time they rigged it indirectly by lowering the Exile's drop rate by a lot. So far, I have done 200+ wins and earned 3230 influence. 28 wins of them were while I was using WC.
And since the damage was at it's highest, the average influence per one bomb was 48. 48 x 28 = 1,344 influence. That means I have got 1886 influence by doing 172 wins when the average damage was 44. This means I got 42 normal drops. In fact, I didn't get 42 normal drops. I got like 25 normal drops and 6 super bombs.
So, if we divide 25/172 and 6/172, we get 14.5% chance for normal bombs and 3.5% chance for super bombs. While in this video xNodi, whose a Legionnaire, got 2 super bombs and 4 normal bombs by doing 10-11 wins only. This means Legion have a 40% chance of getting normal bombs and 20% chance of getting super bombs.

Edit: After a survey on Twitter done by both Legion and Exile players the drop rate is CONFIRMED to be 40% normal bombs and 20% super bombs for Legion. 15% normal bombs and 3.5% super bombs for Exile.
This means this is either intentional or a bug but, in both cases, the war is rigged. It would be cool if a developer give us the exact drop rate for the bombs that's supposed to be the same for both Legion and Exile.

Edit 7/23/2016 4:33 PM GMT+4: 53 wins and just 8 normal bombs as an exile. That's still 15% chance for normal bombs and this time it's 0% for super bombs but I guess I'll get supers soon because it's still 3.5%.
Prove I'm wrong now.

< Message edited by nowras -- 7/23/2016 9:24:37 >
AQW Epic  Post #: 1
7/22/2016 13:37:31   
  Exploding Penguin
Moderator


 You probably need a much larger sample size for legion before you can safely make such claims.

a 10-minute video of battles versus a couple hundred wins is definitely not a statistically sound comparison. The sample size for exile might not be large enough either.
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7/22/2016 13:54:58   
nowras
Member

My Exile sample size is big enough and that's what I have always been getting the previous wars.
My legion sample size might not be that big but there's someone in my faction who have a legion and an exile account. She did 17 wins on her exile account and got 0 bombs so she stopped playing on it and switched to her legion account. She did 20 wins there and got 3 super bombs and 9 normal bombs which's really close to the drop rate of Legion in my post. I also heard from players that were exile and switched to legion that the drop rate increased. I'll make sure I provide better evidence though.
Edit: Done a survey on twitter and many other players confirmed that. There's no way you can deny that now.

< Message edited by nowras -- 7/22/2016 14:17:06 >
AQW Epic  Post #: 3
7/22/2016 20:05:32   
Satafou
Member

I'd hate to break it to you nowras, but a "survey on twitter" isn't adequate enough to back up your claim. So yes, there is plenty of reasons why your belief can be denied.
Post #: 4
7/23/2016 2:27:27   
Teufel Hunden
Member

To be honest people say the war is rigged bc they are mad they arent winning or cant explain why they arent in the lead. I am at fault in this situation too with 2 wars back and last war at the end. A survey on twitter has no benefit to your point. Twitter survey is as trustworthy as wikipedia in 2004. To take a true sample you need at least 100 players from both sides do 100 battles of 1v1, 100 battles of 2v2 and get the numbers of how many bombs for each. Then calculate that into your set. But how the approach was taken so far was too small of a sample to be able to have any real margin
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7/23/2016 4:39:23   
nowras
Member

@DaBombExpert I actually want to lose the war to get rallies but, I'm saying it's rigged because we aren't getting as much influence as Legion players because of the drop rates.
And again, I repeat, I don't have to bring a larger sample of Exile players because that have always been the drop rate for me during all the wars. I've done a total of 3,000+wins without WC and that was the drop rate for me. That's a big enough proof unless the developers lowered my drop rate only which's even more unfair. What we do need is a larger Legion sample but I think for now, the Legion sample is enough because the difference between the drop rates wasn't 5% or something, it was 25% which's easily noticeable. Not to mention that the developers rigged a war before so it's not really weird that they would rig again.

< Message edited by nowras -- 7/23/2016 4:43:00 >
AQW Epic  Post #: 6
7/23/2016 16:31:51   
Cyber Dream
Member

Honestly, why would the devs even think about rigging the war with such a such player base still playing?
AQW Epic  Post #: 7
7/23/2016 16:39:15   
  Exploding Penguin
Moderator


 I will request the devs to incorporate a function in their code to track ratio of wins and bomb drops for both alignments, so that they can view the data if such claims are brought up again there will be solid evidence to prove whether or not your claims are true. That's pretty much all that can be done now.

If you have video recordings of several hundred battles each for both alignments or you can dig some out from this war in particular I can bring it up with the devs to review it. But for now the only thing they can do is review the code. I also don't know if you want to ask such a task of them because it takes away a huge chunk of time from what could otherwise be spent in actual development.


< Message edited by Exploding Penguin -- 7/23/2016 16:40:26 >
Epic  Post #: 8
7/23/2016 17:04:57   
Cyber Dream
Member

Or better yet, ask for bombs to be an 100 percent drop. Right now, the war is based on luck. It should be based on 100% participation. If you win, you get a bomb. It shouldn't be "If you win, then maybe we'll give you a bomb"
AQW Epic  Post #: 9
7/23/2016 17:55:20   
Lord Machaar
Member

These allegations though may seem plausible compared to some others, like the "I blinked and etc..." or "I was chilling with my boys and...".
Although as everyone else mentioned, there should be more numbers to base your conclusions off.
quote:

I will request the devs to incorporate a function in their code to track ratio of wins and bomb drops for both alignments,

Not a bad suggestion.
MQ Epic  Post #: 10
7/24/2016 3:39:03   
Teufel Hunden
Member

I think you misunderstand how it works. You arent supposed to get a bomb 15% of the time. You get a 15% chance each fight if im not mistaken. An addition or suggestion rather that i would make is add a little buff to the percentage if you go into 2v2. Anyways hope all is well with everyone :D

< Message edited by DaBombExpert -- 7/24/2016 12:08:30 >
AQW Epic  Post #: 11
7/24/2016 7:08:00   
SouL Prisoner
Member

quote:

I think you misunderstand how tit works.


Teach me! ROFL.

< Message edited by SouL Prisoner -- 7/24/2016 7:09:46 >
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 12
7/24/2016 7:10:19   
Satafou
Member

^On the rare occasion you may get an explosive spray on your face, i heard it's only a 15% chance though...
Post #: 13
7/24/2016 8:13:56   
Lord Machaar
Member

^ And only 3.5% to have a super one. Ask Nowras though, he looks pretty well informed about the matter...
MQ Epic  Post #: 14
7/24/2016 11:18:06   
8x
Member

It's hard to take these threads seriously.
Epic  Post #: 15
7/24/2016 12:17:37   
Teufel Hunden
Member

Off topic: I hate you guys and my typo xD
AQW Epic  Post #: 16
7/24/2016 14:21:56   
lcheezy
Member

You "Exiles" are literally living what us "Legion" plays went through when you arent the attacker , when your the attacker in the war you have an advantage so Live with it
AQW Epic  Post #: 17
7/24/2016 16:43:58   
nowras
Member

lCheesy, nope, you're wrong. I'm talking about the drop rate, not the damage at all. On contrary, I actually like losing and getting all the rallies.
AQW Epic  Post #: 18
7/25/2016 14:43:04   
  Exploding Penguin
Moderator


 Devs are looking into the code to ensure nothing is wrong with it. However, I still haven't heard anything back from my request for tracking wins/bomb drops.
Epic  Post #: 19
7/26/2016 16:02:34   
Lord Zanza
Member
 

 can only be confirmed by number calculations as percentages get more precise with more results
Post #: 20
8/1/2016 10:07:05   
  Battle Elf
has ten 1v1 wins


 Hey everyone,

The devs have checked the calculations in the code and drop rates are functioning as intended.

quote:

  • Drops can only occur on a win

  • Drop are guaranteed to be Super drops during War Rally

  • 15% War Rally drop rate increase

  • War handicap is added to drop rate (currently 12% drop rate)

  • Drop rate 25% Start

  • Drop rate is 2X in 2v2

  • Drop rate is 1.5X in Jugg


    • I'm going to lock this thread to prevent any further anecdotal evidence. If you have any questions please PM me.

    Thanks,
    Battle Elf
    AE Forum Moderator
    AQW Epic  Post #: 21
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