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9/5/2016 18:42:48   
Lord Zanza
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 Will we have a decent update, or should the whole community stop asking? I've seen it multiple times and I'm still waiting, the Friday updates stopped, and I can tell that if the developers were spending 10% on ED, atleast we would have an update, but all I see is seasonal weapons and some more wars that exile wins 80%+ of the time and gets a rare item that the opposing alignment can never get.
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9/5/2016 20:46:39   
  Exploding Penguin
Moderator


 The 10% that is spent is mostly on war prizes, and brainstorming for future changes in the client release.

As sad as it is to say, you shouldn't be expecting an actual content update for a while. Right now we're working on getting the clientside part of ED out, and if it's successful we'll start to see ED getting back up to speed and getting the attention that it's been missing out on for the past while.
Epic  Post #: 2
9/7/2016 9:54:36   
Lord Machaar
Member

quote:

The 10% that is spent is mostly on war prizes, and brainstorming for future changes in the client release.

War prizes are made by guest artists, devs only implement them.
quote:

and I can tell that if the developers were spending 10% on ED

OP was clearly talking about the devs not the guest team or volunteers.

If let's take, devs work 8 hours a day, 10% of 8 hours is roughly 48 minutes, or let's say an hour or so. An hour each day for 5 days of work, that's 5 hours a week, and it has been 2 years or so since the BB project has started. I'm sure in such time devs can make up something rather than just justify why they stopped working on ED. But when you take things separately, "oh it's just an hour a day, how can we accomplish anything on ED with such tight period of time". That's a fatal mistake, an arabic idiom says "drop after drop, the river gets formed and starts flowing" (literal translation of the idiom, but I'm sure you get the idea). Devs do not have to present weekly updates, or even monthly updates, the 10% could be spent to give out something each 3 months.

Ofcourse I'm saying this, considering that the devs are actually willing to look at options for ED, and if they really did, they'd have used the "10%" wisely. But I think it's the opposite. I think the free funding is what makes the devs so worried about ED, not its future.
MQ Epic  Post #: 3
9/7/2016 11:37:44   
  Charfade
Member

quote:

War prizes are made by guest artists, devs only implement them.


I wanted to clarify. There is constant revision and file passing back and forth when it comes to art. There is a great amount of teaching involved as well. While a guest artist will work on a war prize, it is a collaboration effort.




MQ Epic  Post #: 4
9/7/2016 16:33:40   
Lord Machaar
Member

I doubt the recent prizes, at least those of the last cycle of wars, were reviewed by the lead artists, or had sort of collaboration. Sure there was a lot of teaching involved but I'm sure that wasn't recent at all. When Omega was meant to engage playerbase more, implementing their ideas and whatnot, it was meant do that in a general way (well it was "meant"), but now, playerbase engagement into making ED only involves art, not balance, not feature suggestions and whatnot. Players did appreciate this "engaging" approach of the devs, it did bring the art in-game to a whole new low, but ofcourse, in the end they are guest artists. That's first.

Secondly, by devs, I wasn't solely talking about you and NW, I'm not sure if Titan and Rabblefroth also taught the guest team how to draw, but then, where did they spend their 10% of effort dedicated to ED on? For 2 years? Justifying why ED was abandoned?

I'm sure you get where I'm coming from, it is pretty late to ask devs now where they spent their 10% of effort on, while dedicating it to ED, but we can clearly see it wasn't spent for anything good, beside justifying.
Maybe this will make devs more aware, that dedicating a small amount of time, each day, can indeed help them make bigger stuff. All of us, humans, like to see results as fast as possible. I'm sure the devs do want to see this as well. But patience is a good thing as well, sure spending 10% of your effort on ED won't make anything get released any sooner, but releasing a couple of things here and there, each 3 months, won't be a bad thing. Ofcourse, and I once again repeat, that's if devs really want to revive ED at some point, and search for long term options. Abandoning the game totally to gain fast results on BB, will make long term options not a thing for ED.
MQ Epic  Post #: 5
9/7/2016 17:06:17   
  Charfade
Member

Machaar I was only addressing your comment regarding that we only implement guest artist items. That there was more to it then that. :/

But of course, you are entitled to your own opinion.


MQ Epic  Post #: 6
9/8/2016 11:24:27   
Lord Machaar
Member

Yeah, and I'm thankful for your response, but it wasn't complete and it wasn't on behalf of all the devs. You and NW were busy teaching the guest artists, since you are the lead artists. What Titan and Rabblefroth were doing though in such time? I'm sure in 2 years, a downloadable client would've been done already with a "10% effort" dedicated to ED. You may not know the answer to this, hence why my reply wasn't necessarily meant for you, I just threw a wild guess out there and thought that you know each other's tasks, including what each dev will do with the "10% effort" dedicated to ED.
MQ Epic  Post #: 7
9/8/2016 13:59:35   
  Battle Elf
has ten 1v1 wins
quote:

I'm sure in 2 years, a downloadable client would've been done already with a "10% effort" dedicated to ED


ED was still releasing weekly content 2 years ago, it's unfair to assume that as soon as the team started work on BioBeasts, all ED efforts were shifted to a client. Titan has been working on a downloadable client for much less time.

Secondly, please don't be so fixated on the "10%" of time dedicated to EpicDuel development. There's been days were BioBeasts takes up 100% of the work day, and others were it's only 50%. This 10% figure is just a ballpark estimate, it's not like there's a set amount of time for ED development every day.
AQW Epic  Post #: 8
9/9/2016 7:38:04   
Lord Machaar
Member

BB got announced around 1 year and half ago (18 months), but that was the announcement, as devs said they were actually working on something before making that announcement. Which makes it 24 months. ED's regular friday updates stopped way before that, events and regular fixes and whatnot have also stopped, beside few fixes here and there (Underdog mode). I didn't assume that the ED devs have been working on a client for 2 years, but they have been working on it for some time now since it was mentioned in NW's february "announcement". That's around 7 months, and ofcourse 7 months since it was announced, not mentioning the months where devs were actually thinking about that matter.

The "10%" number is just an average, ofcourse devs work 100% on BB sometimes, in other times much less. There might not be a set amount of time for ED (which is really bad), but either ways, there is some time spent on ED. If at the end of each month, devs set goals for ED, miniature goals, I'm sure a lot would've been done by this time of the year. Organization of time is 50% of success, and I'm talking seconds wise, even milliseconds wise or femtoseconds wise.
MQ Epic  Post #: 9
9/9/2016 11:22:17   
  Charfade
Member

Another thing to keep in mind is we are not a sole team working 100% independently. We are apart of AE, as such we have tasks and things they want us to do. If you want client side AE products ( AQW, ED, DF, MQ or any of them ) you have to go up higher in the latter. We have to have support from the company to do those things, so until then will continue on the BB / ED path we are currently on. They have a vision they want to take the company in.

Also I'm in no position to speak upon all the devs, I was addressing a single comment. Just because I didn't add or speak upon the other things doesn't mean I forgot, it was because I didn't have anything else to say that would add to the conversation that hasn't already been mentioned.

< Message edited by Charfade -- 9/9/2016 11:42:16 >
MQ Epic  Post #: 10
9/9/2016 18:22:39   
Cyber Dream
Member

This is the result of signing a contract with a company. You can't do what YOU want to do. I think ED could've supported itself without the help of AE.
AQW Epic  Post #: 11
9/9/2016 20:47:03   
Noobatron x3000
Member

Firstly I'm no fan of AE but this game would have been long since dead without there intervention, This game had no revenue whatsoever and was burning cash, those of us that were here in beta before AE came on the scene, Know this game was very rarely updated, Never significantly.


That being said this game is still going to beyond doubt die ..... Its so obvious no updates for multiple , staff passing the blame , charfade and nightwraith when they do post on the forums, If you read what they say they are incredibly evasive, And most of ED's problems stem from being developed with to little cash , The core gameplay was broken from conception , So the only way they could market it was as a p2w game.

Creating a game with low appeal to the mass market creating low server numbers of mostly averaging around 1000 at ED's absolute peak, So when they tried to attract enough players to make the game successful by removing the p2w, The only base they had left, And the shoddy core game that's been broken for 10 years was revealed.

Really think over the years how many significant updates have come out? Robots, auxes, cores, enhancements and juggernaut that's it in 10 years.

The games broken from the ground up has been from birth, Cant blame AE for that.


AE takes some blame but not all of it.


A new platform wont save this game.

That's all.
Post #: 12
9/10/2016 14:49:32   
santonik
Member

Give us balance update.

or give us players something info what you gamemakers is planning to do in this game.

8 months and ZERO balance update/s. Only useless items/weapons mostly. We want to know. 8 mothns is TOO BIG waiting time.

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PS: give mercenary class atleast buff/s. It is ultrahard class to play (40lvl)
Epic  Post #: 13
9/10/2016 15:24:14   
Daph Duck
Member

So are we gonna get an update or nah Miss Charfade I think thats the REAL question we all have.
AQW Epic  Post #: 14
9/11/2016 6:12:28   
  Digital X

Beep Beep! ArchKnight AQ / ED


 @Santonik, but.. but you get weapons and cool looking armours instead! Surely that's a good trade off r-right?

Joking aside.. We need an "under the hood" update like Need for Speed 2015 had, that told us what they were, and are working on. These came monthly IIRC. Would that be possible or even a good idea? It's just items, war, items, war at the moment.

< Message edited by Digital X -- 9/11/2016 6:14:08 >
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 15
9/11/2016 11:24:23   
Pink Pharaoh
Member

We understand that you guys have a lot of work to do and that is completely fine. You guys are doing what you feel is right, no problem. The only thing is that you guys are keeping us in the dark about EpicDuel. You are giving us vague answers that could mean anything when you do respond. Most of us understand that the ED team is working day and night to get BB to take off...Ok, great...now what about EpicDuel? All I'm asking for is for someone to keep us up to date and COMMUNICATE with us on the recent discussions of EpicDuel among the team, or new plans/ideas(Even if there are none or if they are unrealistic ATM). If there is one thing you guys are slacking on, It's on how poorly you respond to your community. Everyone here wants EpicDuel to succeed and so as BioBeasts, but we are just left in the dark about these projects(Specifically ED) and we are led to make conclusions about them. So please, even if it's just a small paragraph a month on the design notes, we are asking for you to keep us up to date. Thank you.
Epic  Post #: 16
9/11/2016 14:53:35   
  Exploding Penguin
Moderator


 @Pink Pharaoh

It has been mentioned a couple of times before but to make it very clear, ED is trying to move to a client and away from flash in hopes that it will have a better future there, particularly with flash becoming less popular and slowly getting phased out of browsers. However, in order to move ED to a client, AE needs to approve of it which is what the staff is working with them on right now. Without AE's thumbs-up on the project, it can't really proceed.

I hope this answers your question and I'm sorry if I wasn't clear enough before.

< Message edited by Exploding Penguin -- 9/11/2016 14:54:12 >
Epic  Post #: 17
9/11/2016 17:17:34   
Pink Pharaoh
Member

Hey Exploding Penguin, Thanks for trying to answer my question.


quote:

ED is trying to move to a client and away from flash in hopes that it will have a better future there


This is VERY old news, Five months ago(April 20th) NightWraith posted the same exact thing on the Design Notes. We got this news already, now follow up with it, what has the team done from that time till now? We don't know...And that is my point exactly, You give us great news about the possibility of ED moving on to a client platform and then you leave us in the dark for FIVE plus months and counting without any updates on the progress you are making on moving ED to a client? The last we heard about a ED client from a developer was on April 20th!!! How absurd is that?!
My point is that the developers need to post more on the design notes and inform us on what they are up to.

quote:

However, in order to move ED to a client, AE needs to approve of it which is what the staff is working with them on right now. Without AE's thumbs-up on the project, it can't really proceed


So for five months the ED staff is struggling with AE in order to get a greenlight for the staff to move ED to a client? That's interesting to say the least. This topic is something the developers can make a Design Note about in order to keep the community up to date on what they're stuck on or what issues they have come across etc. We need more clarification on this.

I understand that the staff's schedules are packed but they should be able to dedicate 10 minutes of their time to inform the community on news like that. Thank You.

< Message edited by Pink Pharaoh -- 9/11/2016 17:18:41 >
Epic  Post #: 18
9/16/2016 12:51:26   
Lord Machaar
Member

quote:

Another thing to keep in mind is we are not a sole team working 100% independently. We are apart of AE, as such we have tasks and things they want us to do. If you want client side AE products ( AQW, ED, DF, MQ or any of them ) you have to go up higher in the latter. We have to have support from the company to do those things, so until then will continue on the BB / ED path we are currently on. They have a vision they want to take the company in.

I've been looking for the past 3 days for that pie chart, it was uploaded last year I guess, showcasing the expenses for each AE game. If anyone still has it or know where I can find it let me know.

Although, I still remember in that pie chart, ED was the 2nd most influencial game in AE after AQW. AE might have bought ED, but that doesn't mean ED is less important than any other AE-made game. Focusing more on other games from the same genre and in the same situation (MQ, DF, AQ..) means AE has no interest or trust in ED, so they prefer to work on their games first before thinking about ED.
MQ Epic  Post #: 19
9/26/2016 3:54:52   
SouL Prisoner
Member

Feels like i have been waiting for a jugg balance since the ancient times. puff. :/
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 20
9/27/2016 16:36:26   
Cyber Dream
Member

@soul ehhhhhh comparing it to ancient times isn't a long enough comparison.
AQW Epic  Post #: 21
9/28/2016 8:15:48   
SouL Prisoner
Member

It's like they don't even have like 10 mins for this game anymore.

< Message edited by SouL Prisoner -- 9/28/2016 8:16:05 >
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 22
9/28/2016 16:51:06   
ambien
Member

in looking at the post from charfade in saying the time they do not have for ed. l do not belive them no more what the deves or staff says about saving ed. the reason why is the post we had 3 months ago from a well known staff memb. l will not say his name because we all know who it is. he said gives us 40 days an we will return to ed for updates an balance fixes. well geuss what never happen, so if they can say things just to maybe keeps us ed players waiting week by week for some thing that is not going to happen . why not keep saying we will fix ed an they do not what do think when they say something now about ed. had hard to belive any thing they say now. sad is it not to say we fix ed in 40 days to do some thing an they do not.



to me it is sad for a staff or deve to say some thing then do nothing . if that is big business how they run things no wonder ed is in a tail spin to crash shorty.


sorry but that is the way it looks to us who play ed now. why spend money on ed any more waste of time . when maybe they do something for ed then maybe players will come back to play, then maybe ed will once again raise up for the grave but until then not going to happen.


my thoughts on this always the syfy
Post #: 23
9/28/2016 17:24:16   
Satafou
Member

Tbh i'm not entirely sure why i still play this game, since i can't even play my main battle mode without getting aids. As well as the fact 95% of my friends quit well over 3 years ago. I guess beating noobs in 1vs1 is amusing for about 30 mins a day.
Post #: 24
9/28/2016 20:46:23   
Pink Pharaoh
Member

Wow, you missed by a LONG shot dude...10 WHOLE Minutes for ED? That's absurd.

I bet they don't even mention ED in their supposed conversations. They still haven't even answered my question from 11 days ago on why we haven't received an update on the progress they made to get ED to client. It's been over five months now since that announcement was made by NightWraith yet we are kept in the dark. Keep in mind, Idk if you guys didn't notice this but Exploding Penguin basically told us that Artix Entertainment doesn't support moving ED to a client.

quote:

However, in order to move ED to a client, AE needs to approve of it which is what the staff is working with them on right now. Without AE's thumbs-up on the project, it can't really proceed


This basically means that AE is not giving this project a thumbs up, or AE Is just acting like my Ex.

I guarantee you the next design notes(If there will ever be one)will have one sentence about how they are "sorry for the wait and that the staff is working very hard to get ED back" blah blah blah etc.

Hopefully this time I'm wrong and they have something good planned for us, but like always, I highly doubt it.
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