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zippinbolts -> 5 Focus Builds Obsolete? (4/22/2012 21:04:38)

Are the 5-focus builds not viable anymore? in the 300 fights since this morning I have seen a grand total of 0. Discuss.




rayniedays56 -> RE: 5 Focus Builds Obsolete? (4/22/2012 21:58:16)

Most of them are obsolete which is really sad :/

I find that a 5 Focus Build is EXTREMELY powerful if it is done correctly.


I used to use a 5 Focus/Poison build, which was absolutely SPECTACULAR. It is also very fun to play with.




Retrosaur -> RE: 5 Focus Builds Obsolete? (4/22/2012 22:40:38)


I use 5 focus, with emphasis on Tech for a great overall TLM build.




Frost Snake -> RE: 5 Focus Builds Obsolete? (4/22/2012 23:10:44)

I use a 5 focus build with poison and its really good.





BlueKatz -> RE: 5 Focus Builds Obsolete? (4/23/2012 0:37:24)

I dont see why people don't use it anymore, with right equipment you still can abuse stats while having 5 Focus. A non Tech spam build have 60 damage Bot is good enough




Midnightsoul -> RE: 5 Focus Builds Obsolete? (4/23/2012 0:50:32)

lol...5 focus...i feel something is going to happen relative to it...


anyways...i luv my frost 5 focus build as a blood mage...




SylvanElf -> RE: 5 Focus Builds Obsolete? (4/23/2012 2:50:07)

I usually use 5 Focus emphasis dex, though I am trying out something different atm.
It's been my favorite style since Gamma came out, and these days is competitive I find versus most ppl except for strength abuse BMs.
Which seems to be like 30% of the population or something crazy; hence why I'm trying something different until they fix the situation.

34 Tech Mage.




PivotalDisorder -> RE: 5 Focus Builds Obsolete? (4/23/2012 7:44:43)

problem with 5 focus is majority of top players use 3 stat builds, giving them a ton of power 5 focus just can't achieve.
plus, for robot to hit 60+ you need high tech, which means your dex will probably suffer. if you do use dex, your robot
will hit for less than 60. and will basically be on par with aux, and slightly ahead of strike and/or gun.

the final "weakness" is it limits your health to 95 and your energy to below 50 usually. so not only can your enemy
have superior offence and/or defence, they also have more health and energy to use for it.




Elf Priest JZaanu -> RE: 5 Focus Builds Obsolete? (4/23/2012 11:05:22)

The battle demographics of the game has changed to single stat and max skill dmg. As Pivotal mentioned, the 5 focus build is extremely compact, and has challenges in high damages recovery. The classes that will have more success using 5 focus bot damage would be the ones who have passive armors.




8x -> RE: 5 Focus Builds Obsolete? (4/23/2012 11:33:17)

People don't use 5 focus builds because there are too many strength builds nowdays, 5 focus builds have too low hp to fight str builds and they have too many wasted stats.




Calogero -> RE: 5 Focus Builds Obsolete? (4/23/2012 11:39:33)

I actualy use a 5 focus BM build that works lovely, so it's safe to say they are far from over




PivotalDisorder -> RE: 5 Focus Builds Obsolete? (4/23/2012 12:00:26)

*sigh*

always someone has to post "I got that build and it works great" while completely missing the point.

so 1 player can make it work, maybe even 2..or 3..but that doesn't mean it is actually great across the board.




Wraith -> RE: 5 Focus Builds Obsolete? (4/23/2012 12:22:15)

Nope. Nope. Nope.

My 40-46 Defense and 39-45 (since Plasma Armor nerf D:) Resistance disagrees.

Huge damage output through bot, minimal damage taken.

@pivotal: I got that build and it works great. It's just that STR BMs are easier to use.




Calogero -> RE: 5 Focus Builds Obsolete? (4/23/2012 12:45:39)

@ Pivot

The only reason you might not see 5 focus builds on the board is because it's a hell of a lot slower than Str builds...
Not to mention it requires a bit more thinking compared to the stat abuse builds




ansh0 -> RE: 5 Focus Builds Obsolete? (4/23/2012 12:50:14)

@andy

Thats why almost no one uses focus build these days.
People want quick kill, 3-4 turn battles....

Focus is generally a high % slow process.

Power builds can do that too but much quicker.







Stabilis -> RE: 5 Focus Builds Obsolete? (4/23/2012 14:14:27)

Hello, I am back from volunteering duties at a hospital which took up my evenings.

You say that 5 Focus may be obsolete, I think otherwise. My last try with Focus was during the Gamma crusade with robots. Please recall that Focus founds itself on all 4 basic stat types, so Focus does profess some skill in all weapons and skills, even if only by a small amount. The only circumstances in which Focus may be turned away from is in it's mild damage output because everything about the player becomes equalized excluding enhancements. Exploits are less likely as stats are spread. Robot damage is imperative to Focus and Technology, so although robot damage can be exploited, Focus and Technology are less likely to be. Cooldowns should be considered as well.

The other thing about Focus is the lack of allocatable stat points causing a decrease in defensive properties such as having health or defenses. Agility often equalizes the use of health when there is only total stat points - 180 used in total to get 5 Focus (the highest). Focus builds thus often become standardized and easily anticipated, like Strength and health (although Str/health is quite general for damage in and damage out making it a battle of luck and stat advantage).




PivotalDisorder -> RE: 5 Focus Builds Obsolete? (4/23/2012 14:14:51)

@Andy: sorry man, I didn't mean on the leaderboards.

I just think that 5 focus builds are only really used by pro players and a new player would have a lot more difficulty making it work.
also it's very stat intensive, so non-vars will be pretty weak all round using 5 focus. I personally prefer 4 focus and more control over my stats




MrBones -> RE: 5 Focus Builds Obsolete? (4/23/2012 16:43:12)

I don't do jugg fights but it seem that a 5 focus TLM would work great.

I also see quite a bit of 5 focus poison builts as well. I don't think that built is dead. It is just that rigth now, the trend is with the str BM.

There was a time here in the forums where all you could see was complains about 5 focus builts being OP..




Lord Machaar -> RE: 5 Focus Builds Obsolete? (4/23/2012 17:06:58)

I have a CH 5 focus build with lvl 7 emp, ask the BMs about me, i'm furious :]

Here is a fluffy video so you can see how it works, ====> The Video

~Lord Machaar




zippinbolts -> RE: 5 Focus Builds Obsolete? (4/23/2012 17:18:12)

Ah, so basically the strength builds are running amok? Well then should one even bother with rusted assault bot these days?




SylvanElf -> RE: 5 Focus Builds Obsolete? (4/24/2012 6:03:27)

Missed my 5 focus build so switched back from beta tech caster; enjoy it a lot & can beat most people except STR BloodMage. Prolly 80% loss rate or worse against them, due to lower health pool as above poster postulated. They'd better fix BMs soon or I'll go crazy =(




PivotalDisorder -> RE: 5 Focus Builds Obsolete? (4/24/2012 7:15:40)

lol 5 focus Poison TLM and 5 focus EMP CH are such obvious builds lol. do you guys not understand the discussion?

it's not about how well a pro can use 5 focus or how well a certain class does at 5 focus, it's how well ANYONE can use it
and right now, the game has become all about the big hits, Cyber Hunters excluded. I wouldn't complain about a boost
to focus damage, even if it's just +1-3 overall.




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