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Thylek Shran -> Azraelīs Will (force strike) (2/16/2013 18:49:32)

What do you think about it ?

I think it can destroy every build and should be nerfed. Its like an unblockable 100% stun
and especially powerfull for Hunters with Shadow Arts and dex builds with the block core.
With it alot unfairness has come back to duels: The return of the varium abusers.

Moved to Balance. - SMGS



One Winged Angel1357 -> RE: Azraelīs Torment (force strike) (2/16/2013 18:59:31)

Will is the strike torment is the buff killer.

The what's new screen wrong as it is NW's old image that had the descriptions backwards

This is what it should read http://twitpic.com/c3qeix


The core would do wonders for my build and one guy on Epic has caught on to this, changed builds between two of our fights and now he malfs, torments(if you shield or technician)/ Gamma bot beam, Will, and then SC. It works wonders and beats the crap out of me every time



FishNoobCrack -> RE: Azraelīs Torment (force strike) (2/16/2013 19:02:09)

1. Strength build uses core to keep you from healing.
2. Stall out a fight.
3. Totally destroy a strategy because NOBODY uses strike.
3. Delay a strength build's instant damage move.



One Winged Angel1357 -> RE: Azraelīs Torment (force strike) (2/16/2013 19:03:00)

try not to use absolutes I use strike in about half of my fights



Mother1 -> RE: Azraelīs Torment (force strike) (2/16/2013 19:07:55)

@ Op

you mean the return of money abusers. Varium players who don't spend money on every promo will have to wait until next year like everyone else to get this promo so it is really the money abusers.



Fortitudo -> RE: Azraelīs Torment (force strike) (2/16/2013 19:19:27)

I have yet to even play against someone with the promo weapons lol.



Drianx -> RE: Azraelīs Torment (force strike) (2/16/2013 19:35:19)

Round 1
TM goes first and Malfunctions me
I raise Energy Shield

Round 2
TM uses promo energy aux reducing my shield to rubbish and dealing 100% damage too
I do something... anything

Round 3
TM uses promo energy gun forcing me to strike and dealing big damage with high lvl Deadly Aim against my rubbish shield and malfunctioned tech
I... strike

Round 4
TM rages with Plasma Bolt

WIN

Now I love fighting against Str Mercs.

This is a post I made before Omega was released. You can call me Nostradamus :)



Thylek Shran -> RE: Azraelīs Torment (force strike) (2/16/2013 19:45:22)

@OWA
Nice find that the description in the news is wrong.


@Mother1
Yes you can also call it money abusers because the promo set does cost Artix Points.
I just used the word varium for money *cough* customers. [;)]
However its not only their fault. They use an offer from AE.
We donīt know if it is intended to be that powerfull.


@Drianx

Your really like Nostradamus if your posted this before Omega (and then copied it to here) [:o]



Blaze The Aion Ender -> RE: Azraelīs Torment (force strike) (2/16/2013 19:46:56)

Well, this promo made TM op now
For christ's sake ED team!
Test ANYTHING!

Give people back the 10k artix points, let them keep their varium, and remove this weapon



RageSoul -> RE: Azraelīs Torment (force strike) (2/16/2013 19:51:46)

^Or just change the cores .

ON TOPIC :
Pretty OPed i guess .



Skill Core Guide v.1.1



Fortitudo -> RE: Azraelīs Torment (force strike) (2/16/2013 20:10:53)

Now that I've fought some ppl with the promo weps it doesn't seem to affect me, because striking is part of my build and I have no buffs xD.



Mother1 -> RE: Azraelīs Torment (force strike) (2/16/2013 20:24:26)

@ fortitudo

I have fought 3 people with this promo and guess what they were. Strength mercs. As soon as you are low on health they use this gun to force you to attack them, and then afterwards they berzerkered me killing me without issue. it wouldn't be a problem if I blocked then but that isn't the case with this.



Luna_moonraider -> RE: Azraelīs Torment (force strike) (2/16/2013 20:29:03)

The new weps brought a whole new lvl of game play in 2v2. say your partner is gonna die the next turn u do not have heal and u have the azreal gun, blast the core on the next person moving and wham u has a partner alive an well in 2v2.

hmm well i think the new cores are kinda oped atm. Any build can abuse the core. caster/str/support/u name it.



One Winged Angel1357 -> RE: Azraelīs Torment (force strike) (2/16/2013 20:48:46)

The main issue with Azrael's will is that it is a tactical skill core that the tactic is incredibly obvious. Before you had to try and stun an enemy now you just have to spend $50 for a "stun" on demand. If you want to prevent an enemy from doing anything you don't like and you are fine with taking a hit, or you need a hit to get that last bit of energy from Reroute, use Azrael's Will and both the stalling tactic and the big hits are not to be worried about into the next round.

Now if you were to make it a percent of a chance(say 65% like the other core) for a forced strike it would be more of a gamble than it is now and it wouldn't be a "'stun' on demand" anymore. Now this would make the core weaker and there would be backlash from the people who bought it and they will complain about being ripped off but that is the normal thing you get whenever a balance update has an impact on a build



ScarletReaper -> RE: Azraelīs Torment (force strike) (2/16/2013 20:52:01)

I like the new cores. Brings a certain strategy into effect which I like. Makes the gameplay different. I like anything that changes strategies up. Now if it stays as is I'm definetly going to buy it once my tax return gets here. If it is nerfed then prolly not worth it.



veneeria -> RE: Azraelīs Will (force strike) (2/16/2013 21:14:08)

quote:

What do you think about it ?

I think it can destroy every build and should be nerfed. Its like an unblockable 100% stun
and especially powerfull for Hunters with Shadow Arts and dex builds with the block core.
With it alot unfairness has come back to duels: The return of the varium abusers.


Is it really? After all, it wastes their turn to make us attack with our primaries. [8D] If they block that attack, it is even in our advantage, rage fasterz and if not damage taken.
I see the effectiveness against builds with almost no strength or when the adversary is about to rage → we force him to rage with his primary weapon.

Awkward moment, when i am an hunter with max shadow arts and have the block core, though. [&:]



Remorse -> RE: Azraelīs Will (force strike) (2/16/2013 23:09:42)

You guys should of supported me when I predicted these cores being outrageously OP,
and I also suggested they change it before they release it.


Now it's much harder to change because people have bought them and will complain on any change...


Honestly what is the balance team doing?

I am predicting how obviously OP things are without even testing it, and they get privileged of testing it and it still goes through....





Made 4 Sunny Days -> RE: Azraelīs Will (force strike) (2/17/2013 0:41:47)

It works much better (balance wise) in 2v2. It actually adds to strategy. I haven't played 1v1 but Im sure it's being used by a lot of people to stop the healing.

I have a feeling that as more cores start coming out, this core will cease to seem so powerful. The strategy that it adds to battles in 2v2 makes me hopeful that we are moving in the right direction.

~Stay Sunny~



ForTun3 -> RE: Azraelīs Will (force strike) (2/17/2013 1:03:18)

pretty much means we all have to have strength builds and even then it still stuffs ya... um basically if you have that skill you win...

dont like it and i dont want it its not fair at all unless you make a core that makes you shoot? or makes u do sumpn stooooopid lol i dont think any of us should have the ability to control anothers actions its not right...

but now the dam thing is in the game we have to put up with it coz if its changed all the ppl that have bought it or are going too will get crappy....

also think its crappy to have 2 releases so fast i was only just thinking i might get the dark yeti pack but now theirs this and not being able to buy the promo items is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo lame...

like for example (lets say u dont have any yeti) you buy the baby yeti pack get ure yeti and weps then want the dark yeti pack for the other side of the weps etc you now have 20.000 varium and nothing really to spend it on (nothing new anyway apart from the what 4 swords?) and then you decide oh i want the new pack!!! oh wait artix wont let me get it coz ive done two transactions already!!!! crap!!! thats that then.... no weps for you even though you just spent 100 bucks and have got a crap load of varium.................................................................................................................. lame!


but aside from all that jazz LOVING OMEGA its great... but yea i think the whole promo thing is just plain nasty...



Mother1 -> RE: Azraelīs Will (force strike) (2/17/2013 1:04:45)

This item basically took away any chance to counter those massacre builds as well. If you are planning on countering them you best do it before your 3rd turn because they will force you to strike them as well leaving you open for massacre.

I beat only one person with this item and that is only because I managed to stun them the turn before they could use it. 1 vs 1 has now become have this equipment or die which these builds.



ForTun3 -> RE: Azraelīs Will (force strike) (2/17/2013 1:07:18)

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ YUP ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

needs to be made a 5% chance like the stun guns..... i dont really think the power cores are opd? if anything upd... lol



Blitzex/Sr. Zeph -> RE: Azraelīs Will (force strike) (2/17/2013 1:11:52)

I've one of those that has the gun.
(Im a BM, not a str merc :))
And i must say its pretty OP, even in 2vs2 its a amazing gun (for you its bad, not for me :p) when they want to heal or do a buff move or anything, i just gun them and my partner finishes him off.

Although, i have seen a str merc with it, but i pwned the ... out of him.
Alot of people dont know how to use it (thank god for that) but even if they dont know how to, its still too good.

And as BTAE (blaze) has said, this gun makes (sup/str) TM nearly unbeatable since=
They start first with their sup so it goes like this:
malf - opponent debuff
torment - opponent his debuff or a high hit
gun - opponent must strike
And then its a matter of finishing him off.

And it also makes BH extremely OP when they start first
smoke - debuff
aux - their buff or high hit
Gun - Strike
And now, the opponent had no chance to heal or prepare for anything so mass kills them INSTANTLY.

Same thing with CH.

This gun is wayy OP and like BTAE said:
quote:

Give people back the 10k artix points, let them keep their varium, and remove this weapon

And yes, this is even against me since i have the gun, so doesnt that say enough to you?



Fortitudo -> RE: Azraelīs Will (force strike) (2/17/2013 2:34:01)

quote:

Honestly what is the balance team doing?

Maybe this is why Epic is recruiting more testers/mods lol.



Ranloth -> RE: Azraelīs Will (force strike) (2/17/2013 4:02:50)

quote:

Honestly what is the balance team doing?

Considering there's 2 people helping.. Rabble and Illuminator (every now and then). You realise some of the Team is away/busy/semi-retired, right? Balance is taken care of mainly by Rabble himself. <.<



ValkyrieKnight -> RE: Azraelīs Will (force strike) (2/17/2013 5:51:26)

quote:

Considering there's 2 people helping.. Rabble and Illuminator (every now and then). You realise some of the Team is away/busy/semi-retired, right? Balance is taken care of mainly by Rabble himself. <.<


LMAO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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