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Drianx -> RE: =ED= June 13th, 2013 - Daring Design Notes (6/13/2013 15:30:29)

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Unsure yet. We have rough ideas of how the conversions will work, but we wanted to get player feedback on the general idea of getting rid of Tokens before we really drilled into the details.

It's ironic how you need player feedback for this conversion ratio, but when enhancement compensation came, the ratio was decided between closed doors.



Ranloth -> RE: =ED= June 13th, 2013 - Daring Design Notes (6/13/2013 15:32:42)

No. Rabble said that the conversion ratio is undecided yet and the feedback is on the general idea of getting rid of Tokens. <.<



RabbleFroth -> RE: =ED= June 13th, 2013 - Daring Design Notes (6/13/2013 15:35:15)

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It's ironic how you need player feedback for this conversion ratio, but when enhancement compensation came, the ratio was decided between closed doors.

It's almost like we learn from past experiences. ;)



King Helios -> RE: =ED= June 13th, 2013 - Daring Design Notes (6/13/2013 15:40:05)

Well, if you get 1 token from a 1v1 win (usually ~40 credits [factoring in power hr and higher levels]), then shouldn't it be something like 1 token --> 40 credits?



Cookielord12 -> RE: =ED= June 13th, 2013 - Daring Design Notes (6/13/2013 15:48:32)

Well Im unlikely to buy achievements with credits. Its tough enough getting credits for items.

Question: Will there be any missions for the Dread War?
I dont think that theres been any for a while.



RabbleFroth -> RE: =ED= June 13th, 2013 - Daring Design Notes (6/13/2013 15:58:09)

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Question: Will there be any missions for the Dread War?
I dont think that theres been any for a while.

I generally don't work on missions, so I don't know for sure, but we've been avoiding adding too many more missions because we're a bit unhappy with the current way they are presented.



toopygoo -> RE: =ED= June 13th, 2013 - Daring Design Notes (6/13/2013 16:09:11)

thanks for taking time out of your schedule to respond to us Rabble :) i appreciate it.
Also, anyone who is wanting to join an exile faction for the war, i have link to our faction pages in my signature. usually someone will be on to assist you almost immediately.



Cookielord12 -> RE: =ED= June 13th, 2013 - Daring Design Notes (6/13/2013 16:13:54)

Ok, its just a useful way to get credits especially as achievements have been added to the mix.



RabbleFroth -> RE: =ED= June 13th, 2013 - Daring Design Notes (6/13/2013 16:24:17)

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Ok, its just a useful way to get credits especially as achievements have been added to the mix.

This is true. Updating (and probably expanding) the system is high on our priority list.



King Helios -> RE: =ED= June 13th, 2013 - Daring Design Notes (6/13/2013 16:28:49)

This token --> Credit thing would be much better alongside the release of more credit missions. In fact, I may open a suggestion thread for that :p



goldslayer1 -> RE: =ED= June 13th, 2013 - Daring Design Notes (6/13/2013 16:51:21)

what happens to the tokens we already have?
do they get turned to credits? or do they disappear?



Ranloth -> RE: =ED= June 13th, 2013 - Daring Design Notes (6/13/2013 16:52:24)

They get turned into Credits. At what ratio, we don't know since the Devs are still discussing it.



goldslayer1 -> RE: =ED= June 13th, 2013 - Daring Design Notes (6/13/2013 16:54:48)

well battles give 32 credits and 1 token.

how about 32 creds per token?
32/1

EDIT:
what happens to our token count in factions?
im not asking for me only, i know some people who invested 100k+ tokens by themselves into their faction.



Bloodpact -> RE: =ED= June 13th, 2013 - Daring Design Notes (6/13/2013 17:21:58)

^ that would be perfect 32credit - 1token ratio.

then a 500 token cheevo would now be 16,000 credits.

1000 token cheevo 32,000 credits.

1500 token cheevo 48,000 credits.


Which all seems to match the cost's of things round EpicDuel, now with getting twice as much credits and 0 tokens
weapon and core cost's are essentially cut in half, solving the economic issues people complained about
and leaving extra credits to us already suited up for cheevos.


But I could be missing something important lets continue to hear ideas.



Ranloth -> RE: =ED= June 13th, 2013 - Daring Design Notes (6/13/2013 17:29:18)

goldslayer is talking about the compensation, not the Credit rewards. How about those without Tokens? Played for suckers? No, it doesn't fix economic issues at all because it benefits those with Tokens only and Varium is devalued even more. <_<

With such ratio, achievements would be rendered useless unless gotten for free. Why pay 30K Credits for mere Rating that doesn't benefit me at all when I can buy a Core or an unique weapon with a Core? >_>



Bloodpact -> RE: =ED= June 13th, 2013 - Daring Design Notes (6/13/2013 17:36:53)

^ because you only need so many of those -_-

There's a point we all reach where you got nothing better to do
with your credits and since there not going to be for flag donations.
BAM now you got something to do with them I also took the liberty
of suggesting incentive's for improving rating along with an open
idea pool.



goldslayer1 -> RE: =ED= June 13th, 2013 - Daring Design Notes (6/13/2013 17:39:50)

almost every decision ED decides to take seems to lead to more problems.
making ED is making the wrong decisions.

im more interested in what they will do to solve the issues that pop up from that decision.

like what credit to token ratio will be?

what happens to the token count in factions? i certainly dont want to have my contributions scrapped, and im sure anyone whos donated tokens before will agree here.

what happens to the tokens already in the flags?
will they let it die out or will they take away the tokens and scrap the flag system until they "revamp" it?



Ranloth -> RE: =ED= June 13th, 2013 - Daring Design Notes (6/13/2013 17:40:01)

And Varium? What about that? How is Varium a shortcut if you gain too many Credits? Oh wait, that's why inflation exists! Higher prices, great.



DunkThatOreo -> RE: =ED= June 13th, 2013 - Daring Design Notes (6/13/2013 17:49:23)

I currently have 2919 tokens. I was saving up for when/if I became active again and wanted to join a competitive faction. I hope those 2,919 battles won't be thrown away for something like 5k credits. I don't really
battle so i have more credits because I could care less if I have up to date weapons when i got my beta weapons, I mostly battle just for battle tokens.
Now since they're going away I personally would want each token to be worth 32 credits, which is being a bit greedy I know but I don't see why not.



Bloodpact -> RE: =ED= June 13th, 2013 - Daring Design Notes (6/13/2013 17:54:57)

@Trans

Always so negative, but yes that's what I was forgetting

as to why I left the last sentence for open discussing on
what I'm missing, not an open to be all snooty, Mr " OH YEAH
WHAT ABOUT THIS!?"
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Also a side-note on since credits can be used for cheevo's
shouldn't varium be a shortcut to get them as well?

Regards to inflation, I couldn't sum up an efficient formula
balancing fairness , while not making cheevo's to cheap
as well as a proper refund for the current tokens.

Donno, think the token idea is sounding bad now >-<.

What about since things will essentially be half as cheap, the varium
alternative should be halved now too. AKA core varium price now 250.

But this just seemed to diminish the value of varium by half
meaning the game would be out of half it's buck, but on
another sidenote I did bring up the problem of us no longer getting
any credits and the SAME amount of varium even though we are
now getting less for our $50 packages now.

I needa brainstorm.




goldslayer1 -> RE: =ED= June 13th, 2013 - Daring Design Notes (6/13/2013 18:13:17)

well seems like theres no answers.

to me, this game is going down the drain.
cheating factions are coming back, very questionable decision making by the devs on a weekly basis, balance is still probably terrible, and this war is really not interesting.



Ranloth -> RE: =ED= June 13th, 2013 - Daring Design Notes (6/13/2013 18:13:58)

No, Bloodpact, if something affects the game on a larger scale (and we're talking about inflation), you have to consider all "what if" possible. That's the flaw with many past balance changes because they weren't tested thoroughly and not everything was taken into account. <.<



goldslayer1 -> RE: =ED= June 13th, 2013 - Daring Design Notes (6/13/2013 18:16:28)

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That's the flaw with many past balance changes because they weren't tested thoroughly and not everything was taken into account. <.<

^
but lets let them handle it, surely they are undoubtedly more qualified.



Bloodpact -> RE: =ED= June 13th, 2013 - Daring Design Notes (6/13/2013 18:19:41)

Trans
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That's the flaw with many past balance changes because they weren't tested thoroughly and not everything was taken into account. <.<


Me
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Donno, think the token idea is sounding bad now >-<


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I needa brainstorm.


Yeah looks like I already took everything into account now.

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but lets let them handle it, surely they are undoubtedly more qualified.


Problem with that is last time we did most enchanters got mad, the results
were less then desired.



King Helios -> RE: =ED= June 13th, 2013 - Daring Design Notes (6/13/2013 19:25:58)

32 seems unrealistic but....
Devs, can we PLEASE have 25?



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