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InFlamed Fury -> The best solution for anti-botting IMO (5/5/2015 5:06:51)

Instead of bringing in new bots and other weapons (which would be nice too) why don't we just add captchas back into the game between every 10 or so battles?

That stopped people from botting (using an auto-clicker to play) back in Delta and i think earlier, so why not bring it back now?

Most people wouldn't mind if it means that people just can't have a program running which is playing for them while they are doing whatever else they are doing.




Satafou -> RE: The best solution for anti-botting IMO (5/5/2015 6:08:58)

I'd rather get a free win off a bot than have to continuously fill out those dreaded captchas again.




..Jasmine.. -> RE: The best solution for anti-botting IMO (5/5/2015 6:26:30)

They are just getting easy levels and credits without doing any work and it is also against the T&C.
They can make a report system in which a person reported 5 times for botting has to prove he is playing the character.




Satafou -> RE: The best solution for anti-botting IMO (5/5/2015 6:35:45)

People who abused the gifting system got millions of free credits, people who bot also drastically ruin their ratio's, that alone is a punishment. There is much more things at the moment more important than stopping people who want to lose every battle.




InFlamed Fury -> RE: The best solution for anti-botting IMO (5/5/2015 7:50:27)

Gifting was an event and it was supported through the goodwill of people who spent money on the game.
People using bots to pay requires absolutely nothing in order for it to work.

Also Jasmine's idea of the reported thing sounds like it could work, presuming people actually report others when they come up against them in battle.




Lord Machaar -> RE: The best solution for anti-botting IMO (5/5/2015 7:51:04)

@satafou you will get free wins for the time being only, once they rank up so fast, they will play to get their wins back. Plus ho cares about their win ratio nowadays? If no one can see it, why bother with caring? Only vets care for their win ratio, because they got used to it for 3-4 years. Omega players don't have that feeling towards win ratio.




Satafou -> RE: The best solution for anti-botting IMO (5/5/2015 9:19:20)

Ranks do not make a drastic difference in PVP. They are just being idiots lowering their own ratio down to as low as a 30% overall win ratio. If a player needs to bot in the first place, ranks or no ranks they obviously suck at the game.




The berserker killer -> RE: The best solution for anti-botting IMO (5/5/2015 10:08:19)

Ranloth doesn't like captchas because there are ways to get around them




dfo99 -> RE: The best solution for anti-botting IMO (5/5/2015 10:22:27)

that is one of the reasons which win ratio should never be hidden.




The berserker killer -> RE: The best solution for anti-botting IMO (5/5/2015 12:49:30)

I second that.




The Jop -> RE: The best solution for anti-botting IMO (5/5/2015 12:57:07)

I doubt they would care, they're about on the same level of people who throw matches. They just want easy exp/gold.




The berserker killer -> RE: The best solution for anti-botting IMO (5/5/2015 13:09:56)

Yea theres also that. My thing is that Captchas aren't necessarily a bad idea at all. After all, how many people know how to bypass captchas?




Lord Machaar -> RE: The best solution for anti-botting IMO (5/5/2015 13:25:57)

@satafou
Your character worth nothing without your ranks. And if what you say is true, ranks don't give an advantage as you say, if I give you a rank character, and I play a rank 60 character, no matter what class you use or build or equipement, I will end up winning the match. Sadly I don't have the tools to prove that, but believe me, manu high rank players are winning the match thanks to their ranks and not to their skills. Peace out.




Satafou -> RE: The best solution for anti-botting IMO (5/5/2015 14:38:33)

When i was a rank 7 i had killed many rank 60's. My character with or without ranks is worth far more than you could ever dream yours is worth. You make the assumption that i am a rank +60 player when i'm not. Also you clearly fail to comprehend the fact that not every high rank player is bad at the game. You seem to imply that you're in fact better than all these players as if they had no rank advantage you'd never lose to them. Every single post you've made or someone else has made on the forums you twist to flame high rank players because you seem to think that's the only reason you lose, or is luck a reason too?

This game will never get fixed if everyone is too fixated on stabbing other players in the back for their own self-gain.




Mother1 -> RE: The best solution for anti-botting IMO (5/5/2015 15:06:43)

Personally while I know botting is illegal I personally don't mind them seeing as they are free wins. If they want to wreak their ratio purposely I say let them do it. they made and make those high demand PVP missions go by a lot faster to be honest.




Lord Machaar -> RE: The best solution for anti-botting IMO (5/5/2015 15:31:35)

@satafou
I said many and I didn't say all "High rank" rank players.
If you think that ranks give 0 advantage, and you can win with them or without them? Why are you afraid if they get fixed? Because you know and many others do know that they can't stand a chance in a battle after enhancements were removed and that's a fact.
Many players depend on that advantage to win the batlle, to abuse certain builds, where in the hell in the history of the game a strenght build had close defense/resistance to a tank build?

With or without your approval, solid arguments and reasons of why this ranking system is broken were enough to convince devs to fix it. That's why we are seeing a fix for ranks this friday.
You think it was possible for them to add another 40 ranks without a balance fix? Was it the case when devs added more levels? Nope, because leveling up system was balanced enough, you wouldn't have to balance the game everytime you add a level. It's not the case for ranking system.

I don't know who is backstabbing the other one here, you think I'm backstabbing high rank players because I revealed the flaws of this system?
You are backstabbing the whole game, by coming here and saying that ranks are balanced, backstabbing new players who will soon reach level 38 and face players with 100 and 120 ranks, but hey ranks are fixed, they give 0 advantage. Yeh sure.




Satafou -> RE: The best solution for anti-botting IMO (5/5/2015 16:19:33)

Yet again you make assumptions. I never once said ranks don't give an advantage, however it clearly isn't as bad as you exaggerate them to be. Ranks never needed fixed, because they were never broken. There is nothing broken about flat stats, the gap was clearly the issue that caused the imbalance between low and high ranking players. You assume players "depend" on those ranks when in fact it's a mere coincidence that they beat you and have more ranks, who said they depended on them?

The leveling system was never deemed broken because there was never a large gap created between players. They released one level at a time, up until +lvl 35. That's why it was never broken.

You clearly basic understanding of anyone else's perspective other than your own close-minded self if you honestly believe something is broken because gap was created.




Lord Machaar -> RE: The best solution for anti-botting IMO (5/5/2015 18:52:42)

How do I know that a player with 60 ranks depended on his ranks to beat me?
Well here is the thing, what if I told you that I defeated a rank 1 player using his same build "str", same equipement, same moves.... Ranks, and everyone know that, promote for strenght builds, and I repeat my question again, tell me in which phase strenght builds had close def/resis to a tank build?
Now thanks to the newest update, strenght build won't have tanky defenses only, but high Health medic and less energy to use their cores also.
Ranks compensate in strenght builds, they allow you to use more stats in strenght, but with 0 consequences, not 1 less defense or resistance since ranks cover them, you will say that ranks don't give a deflection chance or crit chance, who the heck need that if you can spam striking button with 90 dex and 600 - 630 primary damage. Use this very same build at rank 1, will you win? You won't because every single stat point you take from dex or tech or supp and put them in str or dex will make a difference, because there aren't ranks to cover them up.

But that's ofcourse isn't a big advantage, ranks give zero advantage. Tell that to someone else because I have been playing this game for 5 years. Sure now also a player with 80 ranks have zero advantage, and if you aren't saying so, devs are, how? Winning same rewards for defeating a level 38 and a rank 60, that just says ranks give zero advantage, and defeating a level 38 is same as defeating a rank 60. And possibly same thing will stay when rank 70s 80s 90s come out, defeating a rank 80 is like defeating a level 38 therefore you get same rewards.




Satafou -> RE: The best solution for anti-botting IMO (5/5/2015 19:07:56)

In delta there was the tank/str CH. This is just a new meta in Epicduel. As of the moment tank/str is the dominant build, it will change overtime like it has in the past, like every other meta. Str isn't op'd, 5 focus can defeat them with less ranks. However strike needs reworked, it's been a problem for years and nothing has been done about it. It's things like this, a strike rework that need to be focused on rather than stopping people who willingly give other people free wins.




comicalbike -> RE: The best solution for anti-botting IMO (5/6/2015 8:25:54)

Satafou strength has always been a problem andto be honest if it could have been fixed they would have done it, i think its a flaw in the way the way the game is and cant be fixed .




InFlamed Fury -> RE: The best solution for anti-botting IMO (5/6/2015 18:29:36)

This is getting out of hand, it was meant to be a post about an anti-bot feature and now people are just talking about str builds. Im pretty sure there was already a forum for that so please only discuss the topic at hand.




.Lord Ginger. -> RE: The best solution for anti-botting IMO (5/6/2015 18:56:14)

Technically inflamed fury, as @Lord Machaar pointed out to me... APPARENTLY you can't say what you just said...
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please only discuss the topic at hand




Battle Elf -> RE: The best solution for anti-botting IMO (5/6/2015 19:43:28)

As a couple of you have said, this thread got derailed. In the future, you can always ask an AK to lock a thread for you or post or a reminder if discussion is getting off-topic.

I'm going to go ahead and lock this up now.

Thanks,
Battle Elf
ED GD Archknight




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