WhiteTiger -> RE: idk if it's a bug or no (6/26/2016 20:40:23)
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Let me clear things up, I performed a test on the dev server to see if I could get an answer to the question of how legion/exile wins work because before we can figure out if a system is broken or not, we first have to figure out how it works. I checked the 2015, 2016 design notes and some of the 2014 ones and I couldn't find any mention of changes to how legion/exile wins were recorded so I decided to test it on the dev server. 8x is correct on how I conducted the test because I told him about the test and my methodology prior to posting here through the wiki staff chat. I based my methodology on how the legion/exile wins worked in the past and how they could work right now with war damage = influence. Through logical inference, I felt that those two were the most likely systems in place as the description in-game says "The number of times the faction contributed toward a daily victory for their alignment". quote:
Indeed; but then he is also trying to conclude this case based on his supposed test giving the impression he knew how the system works to then dismiss the case by saying it may have been removed with the system revamp. I was asking about whether or not the live servers were still awarding legion/exile wins because the previous posts did not explicitly mention when the wins were being awarded. Thank you for providing the screenshots that explicitly showed that the live servers are still awarding those wins. Since I did not receive a win recorded on my exile or legion faction during my test, then if the live servers were producing the same result, then it would have been reasonable to conclude that the feature was removed even if I did not know how the system really worked (and to be clear, I don't know how the system works, that's what I was trying to find out with my test). If it was the case that the live servers were still awarding wins, then it would not have been reasonable to conclude that the feature was removed. quote:
If WhiteTiger was fairly knowledgeable about the current war process and activity he would not be asking us whether the factions are still being awarded wins, also, the method he carried out did not work meaning it simply did not provide us with the result we wanted and he has no options left to try out on the test servers. The very majority or the whole of ED staff team are not active and not aware of how things work, we would not be having this very discussion at the moment if they knew how the system made by themselves worked; and here my knowledge of EpicDuel is being questioned whereas we wasted half a thread explaining the current system. To be clear, I am not fairly knowledgeable about the current war process, which is why I asked for confirmation about what is happening on the live servers. You are correct that I have no more options to try out on the test server if my test didn't work out, but I just wanted to try and give an answer to this issue. I can't see where 8x was questioning your knowledge about the game, at most I can see that he is questioning why you were questioning how I conducted my test. quote:
I will take WhiteTiger's behavior as a representative of the entire EpicDuel team including the developers because he is of course staff member. His and the developers supposed knowledge of this game as displayed on this thread does not reflect too well for them. Please don't. Normally I try and avoid situations where I am not 100% confident in my answer, but in this case I was fairly confident that it would have been one of the two systems I tried so instead of leaving you guys without a response, I tried to find and give you one. Of course fairly confident only translates to "highly probable", which means I could be wrong, and in this case I was. While I am an NDA'd member of the team, that doesn't mean I know everything about the game. I'm pretty sure the developers also don't know how everything in the game works off the top of their head, but they have the ability to check the code base and see exactly how a feature works. I don't have that ability, but I do have the ability to perform some tests on the development server, so that is what I did. I'm sorry for not being clear that I didn't know how the system works and I was only trying to find out. EDIT: To be explicitly clear and address your point in the second quote above about how the majority of the ED team is not aware of how the system made by themselves worked, only the software developers know how each system works. No artist, tester, moderator or wiki staff member knows how it works until a software developer tells them, which is not done for most changes because of legal reasons. For a small scale game like ED, both the developers likely know how the feature that the other person did works due to code reviews, but for any larger scale company, you probably won't even know how the feature coded by the person sitting beside you works, at most you'll just know in general what they're working on.
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