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Bl00d 3lf -> Want full servers? Listen for once. (6/26/2016 9:29:58)

Xamurai here, been a few years since i've played, and in all honesty, I miss the game, the players, etc etc-, I could go on but rolling around in nostalgia can suck pretty bad sometimes.

Anyway. Everyone registered with their email address when playing for the first time, sure there are tens of thousands of alts under false emails but that doesn't matter.

I'd love to see epic duel up and running again. Just not epic duel as it is now.
Here's what I'd do, every email registered to a master account with an ED account, or just an email with any kind of relation to ED, whether it be 1 year or 7 years old, email them.
Basically, send out a mass email with a link to the "New" epic duel, and by new I mean the beta version of the server, which would then progress to gamma and STAY at delta, perhaps even gamma. Minor tweaks to balance and such could be made along the way, but stay away from progressing to anything near as awful as Omega.

The game during beta-delta may not have been 'Balanced' in the eyes of the devs, but the obsession over it being unbalanced caused the game to be dragged through the dirt and destroyed.
Side note- p2w games, when it's worth it to pay, have ALWAYS been more successful than f2p games. Varium users have an advantage, done and dusted, none of this credit users being just as powerful nonsense.

Beta was fun, gamma and delta were fun, omega was not.
A balanced game is not always a fun game.

You could breath life back in to ED so quickly it's ridiculous.

Open new servers, http://epicduel2.artix.com/play-now/ or something. Players would be able to choose whether they want to participate in playing again, during the old versions of the game, with an account made completely from scratch. All the promos and everything should come back too, in order, founder armor, screaming eagle etc-.

I'm rambling, I can't be bothered to proof read this post, but this is going to be my last association with ED unless something happens, which it won't, but I can still hope, like 100's of players that still have enough fond memories of ED to spare it a thought do.

Just consider giving all of us what we want, not what we asked for back then, but what we want now. personally, I'd happily start a new account, pay for founder armor and varium, and play at least an hour a day. I'm sure 1000's of other people would too.



leahnrachel -> RE: Want full servers? Listen for once. (6/26/2016 9:41:23)

P2w is not successful at all, Check your facts most p2w games are dead now, Or tiny games with only one or two thousand players out of the millions logged in at any time.

P2W games end up with the company getting a terrible reputation and dying , Think before you make a suggestion , This would not be disastrous for ED, It would be disastrous for AE.....The common misconception is the game was doing well in beta /gamma/delta , News flash it wasn't it was still a tiny game that didn't really have a future , Sure its worse now , But it wouldn't of lasted if it stayed the way it was, They had to do something

Namely they had to remove p2w and switch to a different method of securing our cash , problem is they did halve heartedly bringing over powered promos in , massively inflating prices on credit items , adding ranks .

All this would of been okay but for the fact they never bothered to balance matchmaking or builds , or fix the core gameplay.

The loss of p2w did hurt the game , Not because we lost p2w..... But because it made all the games actual real problems visible to everyone, not just the free to play players....And the devs did nothing to fix the real problems.



Bl00d 3lf -> RE: Want full servers? Listen for once. (6/26/2016 9:46:06)

Honestly, my underlying argument here is that players would come back if granted a new server based solely on the fact that everyone wants to get back in touch with their old friends and re live some really good memories.



leahnrachel -> RE: Want full servers? Listen for once. (6/26/2016 9:53:14)

They might get a COUPLE of old players back who haven't moved on if they spend all the time and money rebuilding a p2w model.....On a game that wouldn't stand a chance of surviving these days.

Not going to happen sorry, I can tell you that without being employed by AE.



Bl00d 3lf -> RE: Want full servers? Listen for once. (6/26/2016 9:54:20)

Haha man, They have backups of all the past phases, they could literally just make an old version live, it'd take them a day.



leahnrachel -> RE: Want full servers? Listen for once. (6/26/2016 10:13:52)

You didn't read my 1st response clearly , If they bring back p2w on the level it was before omega, There wont be a ED for long , Would be WORSE then things are now.

It isn't tolerated anymore....



8x -> RE: Want full servers? Listen for once. (6/26/2016 10:23:54)

I guess I'm not one of those 1000's of people who would play an hour a day. I'd say more, but I just don't want to get into another one of these long discussions.

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Haha man, They have backups of all the past phases, they could literally just make an old version live, it'd take them a day.

Sure...



Exploding Penguin -> RE: Want full servers? Listen for once. (6/26/2016 15:42:08)

Several people have made similar suggestions. The devs have always said that it's impossible to revert.



One Winged Angel1357 -> RE: Want full servers? Listen for once. (6/26/2016 19:46:00)

I've been away from the forums for a bit to find some people have been listening to our old friend imperial a bit too much.

As 8x addressed in a somewhat sarcastic manor the old phases are not on back up and even if they were on backup the code running the server's is so far removed from the old code you'd just be looking at a wall of error messages. Remember when omega took ages to release? That's because so much, I believe it was the overwhelming majority, of the old code was updated and modified including the server code.

So I'm sorry to burst your fantasy of easy transition to old phases but you are incorrect on that matter.



SouL Prisoner -> RE: Want full servers? Listen for once. (6/27/2016 3:42:49)

Maybe it's impossible to revert back, but at least we know what screwed the game and what needs to be done. But if you're still not gonna act on that, then it's on Dev's.

How hard is it to fix jugg?? Been asking forever!



Digital X -> RE: Want full servers? Listen for once. (6/27/2016 8:05:43)

Ha Xam, thought you'd left for good, why you still swinging round here?

Impossible to revert back? Hmm..



Lord Machaar -> RE: Want full servers? Listen for once. (6/27/2016 20:03:27)

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As 8x addressed in a somewhat sarcastic manor the old phases are not on back up and even if they were on backup the code running the server's is so far removed from the old code you'd just be looking at a wall of error messages. Remember when omega took ages to release? That's because so much, I believe it was the overwhelming majority, of the old code was updated and modified including the server code.

So I'm sorry to burst your fantasy of easy transition to old phases but you are incorrect on that matter.

Sums it all up.



Daph Duck -> RE: Want full servers? Listen for once. (6/27/2016 22:54:11)

there is nothing to listen too epic duels is dead no updates for like 4 months the last update was a cheap recyceled consolation bronzie version of delta items and the only 'new' content we have received is the recycled war system a few cool new items and recycled promos from last year. peoples said this game died 2 summers ago but back then we had nice drama and new releases now we have NOTHING. even if there was a reset button it wont make any one come back this game is too dead no one will even be thinking about it the only thing to do is to either start making DRASTIC CHANGES ASAP WICH THE DEVELOPERS OBVIOUSY WONT DO as they are focusing on bio beasts (they dont even know who won the last war or 2 wars ago who knows there all the same) or just let it go people die plants die myspace died may be its time for epic duel to naturally decay.



veneeria -> RE: Want full servers? Listen for once. (6/28/2016 20:39:02)

Here is a mind blowing fact: Most of the balance decisions actually came from us!
Remember when everyone was for removing passives? Oh those were good times, right??

Funny enough: another mind blowing fact!
You still have some sort of P2W going on epicduel. Even if it is now once in every full moon, you get cores/weapons/sets that are exclusive for a full year to the varium audience (paying users), which often can or cannot be extremely game breaking. Thankfully it isn't the straight and direct advantage it once was.
But i hear you say "but they need money to keep epicduel alive!", which you'd be correct too!


But..
This creates a system in which, players with a larger income and social status, automatically win. Not because they are actuality good players, but because they've managed to sneak into their parents hidden treasure chest and use it without permission.

And why is this bad? Well, if you can just buy your way to victory, then there is no point in playing the game at all, you might as well cheat the game. And considering the fact that epicduel is all about that mano vs mano fight, you will have a huge chunk of your community leaving the game, because they make for a great portion of the game, as free players. (as expected from a game that markets itself as "free")
Kinda of like how cool of an idea it was to make war supplies, or whatever they were called, been bought with varium. Winning whole wars because you just had that extra pocket money laying around, sounds super fun and fair right?

Oh but don't look at me like that, i actuality agree in something, that some form of change or return should be made on epicduel. Maybe this time, we shouldn't butcher build-making variety for the sake of balance, specially when there are only 9 skills per skill tree. (with many of those skills overlapping between the totally original classes)

Other than that, i honestly think that this long cooldown while we wait for flash to die, took a huge blow to the devs and personally i couldn't be more divided on that issue. On one side, you've got to admit that they have been enduring it like a boss and on the other side, i feel like the recent forsaking of epicduel has been upsetting to say the least.
Which while i do agree that working with a game on a F2P model is hard as the hardest crystal cake on the known universe, the ED Team should have focused in expanding the team enough to keep both game developments in perfect harmony.



SouL Prisoner -> RE: Want full servers? Listen for once. (6/29/2016 3:57:39)

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Remember when everyone was for removing passives?


When and who?? :S. It was very much Dev's decision. Stop throwing it on players.



Satafou -> RE: Want full servers? Listen for once. (6/29/2016 5:42:10)

@veneeria I've never seen someone on these forums speak as much baloney as you have just now, and trust me that's no easy feat to accomplish. There is absolutely no p2w in the PVP aspect of epicduel. The only promo that was, was the azreal gear which has been here on 3 occasions now.


On topic: It's been stated on several occasions that an older version of the game will not come back, it probably is possible, however it has been blatantly stated that the devs simply don't want to go back and rather progress. There is many reasons for this and i could list them, however i'd probably get a warning so in the end it's better to cut our losses. Just like this suggestion.



Altador987 -> RE: Want full servers? Listen for once. (6/29/2016 9:47:54)

P2W is something all games have as no game is purely free: the game needs money in order to stay alive. When we make the claim that a game is free the advertisement is really saying you CAN win/do well without spending a dime. However, the game makers are providing a service and should be compensated for their work or a the very least be able to keep the game afloat. That being said P2W never dissolved in ED it instead evolved: instead of giving you ridiculous permanent advantages over those who opt not to spend money (for whatever reasons) you now have the advantage of time on your side and maybe one or two extremely useful weapons. In other words unlike before where you won simply because you payed and played and the advantage was outrageous, you now have the advantage of reaching new levels faster because of the slight to not so slight advantages.

Think about it, when they originally started raising the level cap the players at the top were probably majority varium users, if you win all the time it's not nearly as hard to lvl up. Same thing with ranks now.

The problem with P2W in a game like this is specifically that this game relies solely on strategy (and sometimes a lil luck). It's not like AQW where regardless of your intellect you're slated to win from the very beginning and the only real reason you put any thought into which stats you add on is due to personal preference of how much damage you can do to a monster/how fast you can kill it. This game has winners and losers and the idea of P2W directly affects who does that in a negative way as those with less strategy are able to still come out on top simply by paying some cash.

As to passives, i suppose i'm the only one who's not upset they're gone lol I mean they were cool but I don't consider them to be something that was necessary and I also don't see that the devs cant reintroduce smaller versions of them as cores... (hint hint devs)

I honestly feel like flash dying is really an excuse for poor leadership on ED's part in all due respect. The game was having problems before flash was dying and I feel like this was an opportunistic way of throwing blame onto an inanimate object that no one could blame



8x -> RE: Want full servers? Listen for once. (6/29/2016 12:53:11)

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Remember when everyone was for removing passives?

A few. But I do remember when a lot of people were for class change. That thing is the root of all balance problems.



shadow.bane -> RE: Want full servers? Listen for once. (6/29/2016 13:39:24)

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Most of the balance decisions actually came from us!
Remember when everyone was for removing passives


tbh I don't recall someone said on the forums or anywhere else saying Remove the passives maybe was u and some others who were constantly losing to that matter ?



Exploding Penguin -> RE: Want full servers? Listen for once. (6/29/2016 18:08:02)

I believe there were some people who wanted to remove passives. Their rationale was that they restricted build diversity by basically forcing a certain amount of skill points to be allocated into the passives regardless of what build was being run.

But, it was ultimately the devs' decisions to remove passives after all.



Mr. Black OP -> RE: Want full servers? Listen for once. (6/29/2016 22:58:47)

^
That didn't solve anything. I don't think I've seen a successful build that didn't use their energy gaining move (back up, static grenade, static smasher, etc).



ambien -> RE: Want full servers? Listen for once. (6/29/2016 23:14:29)

l hate to burst your bubble quote:

As 8x addressed in a somewhat sarcastic manor the old phases are not on back up and even if they were on backup the code running the server's is so far removed from the old code you'd just be looking at a wall of error messages. Remember when omega took ages to release? That's because so much, I believe it was the overwhelming majority, of the old code was updated and modified including the server code.

So I'm sorry to burst your fantasy of easy transition to old phases but you are incorrect on that matter. lord but you are wrong about the old codes are gone.( lets see lost some beta item lets say got hacked lost bunny aux, founders amore etc. etc an they got sold from the account. so we get a hold of help team team. they say yep your account got hacked guess what you can get your old items back. hmmmmmmmmmmmm but how they are not omega coded wrong they can get them by redoing the code for them an wow you get them back. )


do you remb about 3 months ago when by some how the bunny aux just happen to jump into the game an players got it again wow not omega coded right. yes they can bring back old items any time they want to. who ever told you they cannot is blowen smoke well you know where. how do you thing players get their old items back that got hacked they recode them to that account. anyway


to get any type of a game change for omega it would take a act of god for it to happen an bio to die a fast death. not going to happen ed will not do any changes in balance at all. but l do remb this which titan said gives 40 days an we will make balance an make ed a better game that was 3 months ago, like l said not going to happen.


anyway my thoughts on this sad but true fact about ed the game we have learned to hate but still loving playing it


always the syfy



8x -> RE: Want full servers? Listen for once. (6/30/2016 0:39:33)

Omg syfy... OWA, I need you!



One Winged Angel1357 -> RE: Want full servers? Listen for once. (6/30/2016 1:49:33)

First things first if you are going to quote someone please use the quote system so they person responding to you doesn't have to edit your post in the preview window just to make sense of what they said versus what you said.

Second all items are data based and will continue to exist so long as there is a database to reference, Furthermore to refer to them in the same manor as phase code is folly at best and demonstrates a complete lack of knowledge on the subject which is being discussed at worst. When everything was updated to Omega all of the existing items had to be adjusted in the database so I can see somewhat where you are coming from there.

Next on the chopping block is the bunny aux issue which if you care to cast your memory back the issue was explained as a data basing error. Somewhere in a data base inquiry the April seasonal flag was added to the bunny aux meaning that when the system did a database check to return all April items to their vendor the bunny aux was added back into the game for sale. This is still not a client code or server code update issue but a data basing issue as the seasonal check existed prior to Omega possibly in it's current form or in a less efficient form as the season check code could date all the way back to Beta/Gamma when the first seasonal shop had to return. If items are being returned to the account it is being done through a similar means in which the data base is just told this account now has this item whereas it previously did not.

As for the comment on BioBeasts due to my insight that most players do not have* it isn't going to have a fast death or any kind of death anytime soon. The game is doing very well even when compared against BattleGems which due to it's genre and platform mix is still seeing life to this day.

EpicDuel on the other hand could use a swift reboot which is very unlikely due to the scope of the project. Due to engine limitations there are features EpicDuel would very much need to stay relevant that are not possible but the developers have none the less tried to emulate. A reboot would also to help separate the game from its P2W elements which are a turn off in this age. I don't want to steal any thunder from any coming news Titan has promised on BioBeasts but based on the screenshots released for the upcoming BioBeasts update there are some systems being created that could be used in a reboot and deliver systems currently not present in EpicDuel, such as vanity items to show off longevity or achievements. So to wish death upon BioBeasts which is being used as a learning tool while simultaneously wishing prosperity for EpicDuel is a very foolish thing to do.

Also can I please ask the community to stop saying things that are blatantly and obviously false are fact? It is disrespectful to your community members.

*unless they care to watch Korin's animation streams or my streams with Korin in which these things have been brought up for discussion before.



goldslayer1 -> RE: Want full servers? Listen for once. (6/30/2016 17:18:41)

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Remember when everyone was for removing passives?

I can only recall 2 people suggesting removing passives. One of them was a mod and the other later went on to become an AK/Tester.
A lot of memories have been forgotten but I believe it was Rabble (In charge of balance at the time) who came up with the idea.

Most players hated this idea and those who were well informed on balance matters at the time said it would be a mistake.
Given how it turned out, it can be assumed that it was indeed a mistake.

The theory that removing passives would create build diversity clearly didn't pan out, since there was more build diversity with passives than without.
And the lack of passives IMO made the game a lot less strategic than prior phases.
Not content with bad balance decisions, they went for the double whammy and removed NPC wins (putting the sole focus on balance, since that was all that was left) which could be argued played a big role in mass quitting.


As for reverting servers, Its too late for that now.
Reverting would've been more possible had it been a few months into Omega and seeing the results but I think the devs were too stubborn for that at the time.

In hindsight, I believe they did not manage this well at all.
What they should've done was do a separate testing server with the Omega phase while live servers still had Delta. This would've allowed the devs to gauge interest and feedback on Omega phase before releasing it.

AQW has been doing this with their PTR server with all major testing (PvP, porting away from Flash, etc) before releasing to the live servers.



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