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I disagree on the whole "classes should not be able to go rare" thing. Classes, just like any other item, is something a player actually needs to have in their inventory, and thus contributes to the overall collecting value. If classes shouldn't be able to be rares, then that is as good as saying that rare collectors shouldn't have classes at all; and as has already been pointed out, classes offer functionality, they are literally required to play. So by extension of that argument, rare collectors shouldn't be able to play, unless they are willing to play on the terms that non-rare collectors set, which would not be fair either.

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People will always miss out on stuff, that is just part of life. Every single day, we each miss out on billions upon billions of events, and no human being (to my knowledge) has ever managed to have a complete collection of everything that exists in the universe. No one can simply have everything, so those, in my opinion, are not good arguments. We will always be limited in one way or another.

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Unless classes are removed from being items, and instead are loaded from NPCs or other such means, as I see it, there can never be a fair argument to not having those be rare, along with the other rares. Even if the absolute strongest class in the entire game ended up being a perma rare item, that class still wouldn't be required in order to play or enjoy the game, you could still get the second strongest. There will always be other classes to get, as long as not all of them falls into one of the two types; rares or available, and thus, there will always be something for everyone.

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As for bringing any other rares back, again, I feel that would be a very poor decision on AE's part. Cutting down on new rares being created, I am perfectly fine with, but no need to punish people that have already invested the time and money obtaining the current rares. As long as something have been confirmed to be perma rare, either by default through one of the guaranteed rarities, or by direct word of staff, I don't believe there can ever be a reasonable argument for bringing them back, no more than there would be reason for AE to just delete an item like VHL from the game, after so many have obtained it.

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I can't think of many items that aren't classes which I'd like to see return if possible. A few pets come to mind but such a thing wouldn't be fair to those who already have them. It's a bit shocking for me to say such a thing since I usually don't care what rare hoarders think.

If there is a possible way to have certain items return and not cause any issues, then I'd be all for such a thing. Unfortunately, I have doubts this can happen. Human greed and selfishness known no bounds and in regards to this game, it's no different. Such a thing does sadden me.

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If classes shouldn't be able to be rares, then that is as good as saying that rare collectors shouldn't have classes at all; and as has already been pointed out, classes offer functionality, they are literally required to play. So by extension of that argument, rare collectors shouldn't be able to play, unless they are willing to play on the terms that non-rare collectors set, which would not be fair either.

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Having a weaker class when you know that something better was out there is diminishing a person's experience. In most cases, the situation is that people weren't playing the game and never had the opportunity to get the items they want. Like I said before, it's a matter of creating an artificial rarity for no valid reason.

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Someone suggested that one of the loyalty rewards should be a token that gives you a specific item. Instead, why not have the item allow you to have access to X amount of shops of your choice where you can purchase any of the items available. You still need to purchase the items and you would only have access to a very limited amount of items of your choice. All the shops in-game have IDs so it would simply be a matter of providing players with a list of IDs and giving them this power. Alternatively, players could purchase these items outside of the game, similar to how the LQS works.

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if classes shouldn't be able to be rares, then that is as good as saying that rare collectors shouldn't have classes at all; and as has already been pointed out, classes offer functionality, they are literally required to play. So by extension of that argument, rare collectors shouldn't be able to play, unless they are willing to play on the terms that non-rare collectors set, which would not be fair either.

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I wouldn't say it weakens the experience. For me, my main go to class is always Dragon Lord. Its not really "rare" its there always. The power of other classes doesn't really effect me as much. DL was and always will be muh baby

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I mean isnt that essentially what the loyalty rewards are. Rewards for doing a specific saga/ac purchased/etc? I see no difference here

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As an owner of several rare classes; Yeah, let them come back, I could care less. What another player uses doesn't really affect me all that much. (Unless, you know, the group needs a healer, or if they're using particularly laggy items...)

On the subject of rares in general:
Yeah.... there's already far too many for my tastes.
There's a high ratio of rares/exclusives (Seasonal/Perma rare, exclusive to other in-game items/merch) to content that is accessible to all players.
Personally: The more people that get to enjoy an item/have fun/get to experience more, the better.

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With that mentality, we may as well just make all items in the game free, both in terms of effort and money, so that all players can enjoy everything equally. All member only items have their member tags removed; all end game farming items become 0 gold items in Yulgar's shop, etc. The fastest way to lose your playerbase, is to screw over the players, especially when money or significant effort is involved. Besides, making sales based on deceptive advertisement (such as claiming a certain item can never be obtained again, which real money is involved in obtaining) is not just shady business, but is downright illegal, regardless of what your agreements say.

If AE wanted to merely sell us lies, then by all means let them go ahead. But if they truly care about their players and their own integrity as a good company, then just bringing back all rares like that will never be an option. The ToS/T&C are there to protect them from theft and in case of something accidentally happening to their data, as well as to reserve the right to punish those that break the rules; they are not there to casually screw over thousands upon thousands of players, just for the heck of it.

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And I agree completely with the notion that more items for everyone equals a generally happier environment. But your post did imply an opinion towards making rares available to be a good thing, which I then argued it is not, unless the same concept of availability be applied evenly to other player groups as well. Deliberately taking away one of the major factors for one group's continued spending money on and playing the game, for the sake of giving this factor to the other groups, could just as easily be applied to all the groups, and in fact should for a fair environment. Why should one group have to specifically suffer for the betterment of the rest of the community, when instead all groups could suffer equally, to lessen the effect and amplify the rewards?

Since you proposed that rares could have their very reason for being taken away, just so more people could enjoy them, is the same I applied to member content and farming content. By taking away their reasons for being (their criteria for being obtained and the circumstances under which they can be obtained), more items have been given to the masses, but at the expense of the player groups those very items were intended for in the first place.

For instance, items like BLoD and VHL were created specifcally to give players something to work for, and to reward the players who does so. If we take away the farming, the items have become more widely accessible, yes, but at the cost of losing their very reason for being, and at the expense of the very people such items are intended for; namely the farming part of the community.


At the end of the day, I feel it would be better not to step over any specific groups, and instead just try to even out the content distribution with new releases; that way, everyone can be happy, nobody loses.

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We have been releasing too many rares the last few years, and I want to dial that back. Rare items have a definite place in our game, but we should not be making items rare just to do so. If an item goes rare, it should be for a good reason -- because it is a signifier that you were at a place (or point/event) in the game, and want a souvenir of that.

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There's been disappointment with some of the Quibble shops as quite a few players think the quality of the items sold aren't worth the AC's we're expected to pay for them. I don't know how pricing is decided but even I question that at times. If the game is struggling for money, isn't it easier to ask the players for help instead of making AC rares each week and hoping purchases are made?

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If I may just give my small bit of input in this. I know rare classes have been discussed a bit before, and while I do agree a bit with both sides on that topic, one thing that I wanna talk about is Birthday Classes. Like, I understand the reason behind them being annual and going rare and all, but shouldn't they be kept in game as a token or something to AQW's history? I mean I don't quite know how to say it, but I just feel that the new players should also be able to take part in the birthday events of the past, and if not the rare items, atleast be able to farm the classes. Not just new players, I'm sure even old players who missed out on the classes because of inactivity would want a chance to obtain them too. And while I understand that this is true for almost all rare classes, the reason that I mentioned Birthday Classes specifically is because it's become a sort of traditional thing, and something which quite a lot of players look forward to, and something that I feel a lot of players should be given a chance to look back upon too.

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there plenty of rare classes attached to hero mart items whose rarity won't ever be touched due to heromarts ToS.

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Are there really players that think they should only use rare classes and anything else must be avoided? This sounds like it would lead to horrible experiences in game as they're missing out on other permanent classes.