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11/1/2009 9:41:47   
Eladar
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 Pets and Guiests no. Lucky strike only effects stat random damage for your attack. Seeing as UM doesn't use stats, I'd say lucky strikes do not effect it either.
AQ DF  Post #: 176
11/1/2009 9:45:51   
 Kalanyr
 The Dream of Twilight Shadows


 Pets and Guests can't.

As to abilities it depends on the ability, in general an ability can get lucky strikes, but abilities that have 0% stats will be doing 0% Lucky Strike damage anyway and some abilities may have lucky strikes disabled.
AQ DF  Post #: 177
11/1/2009 9:49:49   
Johs
Member

Ok, thanks for the answers, guys.

Guess I wont be training LUK then, as Im currently farming using only UM.
Post #: 178
11/1/2009 10:37:14   
xDeathlordx
Member

quote:

Yeah, i've seen with the introduction of LUK becoming such an important stat, beastbuilds are forced to invest in that


I would beg to differ. I think "forced" is a little strong and misleading. While I won't argue that LUK is probably better than DEX for most players in todays game, it is certainly not a must. I haven't retrained my DEX for LUK yet mainly because I'm too lazy and cheap, but if it was really necessary, I would do it. It isn't.
AQ  Post #: 179
11/1/2009 12:22:45   
sillycow
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 i see people with 200 cha but their pets only need 100-140ish cha for 100% attack rate. Why not dump that extra 60-100 points to end?

Im planning to make a build withn these stats:
180 end
200 inte
120 cha
150 dex

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AQ DF MQ  Post #: 180
11/1/2009 12:36:26   
brianspenceni
Debatable!


 Can't the clone/big clone pets get lucky strikes - and as they mirror your weapons element they can be a cheap all rounder sort of pet?
AQ DF  Post #: 181
11/1/2009 17:51:31   
blackhero55
Member

@ sillycow
because having more CHA means your pets do more damage. Besides, the strongest pets like Keeshish-Kin and Nerfkitten require 200 CHA anyway (and those are essential beast build pets)

Either way, I dumped all my CHA and pets and trained LUK. The only thing I'll miss from beastbuilds is Cor-Dem *sniffle*
AQ DF  Post #: 182
11/1/2009 18:25:07   
sillycow
Member
 

 should i stay with 120 cha with 70 ish% on cor-dem, 100% on lvl 10 nerfkitten and 70% on nerf bat or dump points on dex/luck?
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 183
11/3/2009 6:30:08   
jolabong
Debatable!


 At higher levels(high 80's?) in a post-pet sweep environment, pets will either have 134 or -66 training difficulty. This is becoming apparent even now. 134 TD equates to needing 200 CHA for a 100% attack rate; -66 TD translates to 0 CHA for a 100% attack rate. As such, one would be better off having either no CHA(allowing maximum investment and development in other stats) or a substantial amount(175+) of CHA at these levels. Anywhere in-between would be neither here nor there. NBM pets would not have a steep power curve due to stats; BM pets would have an unreliable attack rate. Currently, odd amounts of CHA can actually yield decent results(this can be attributed mainly to Token pets, which will likely become full BM pets), but post-pet sweep, they will pose a liability in the sense you become a master of none.

EDIT: "They" refers to the odd amounts of CHA rather than the Token pets. :P


< Message edited by jolabong -- 11/18/2009 5:18:54 >
AQ  Post #: 184
11/3/2009 7:06:43   
afsoc4life
Member
 

 ^ Mods is the above correct? Cos to be honest it doesnt make full sense. He/She is suggesting that there will be a all or nothing effect wrt pets similar to a toggle switch. The formulas dont reflect this and I am grateful it doesnt.
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 185
11/3/2009 14:59:19   
Chii
 Adorable Knight of Order


 He's correct in that there will be non-BM and BM pets, but nothing in between. Either pet TD will assume you've been dilligently training your CHA (and will have a TD which assumes a certain level of training to achieve 100% attack rate), or will assume that you have no CHA (and will have the negative TD modifier which causes them to attack 100% of the time at 0 CHA). There probably won't be pets with midway TD levels between these two points.

I suppose a z-token pet could have TDs that are midway between their purchase level and power level. I don't think the subject has come up yet.
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 186
11/3/2009 15:02:39   
afsoc4life
Member
 

 why nothing in between? - that forces peeps to train 200 CHA or not!!
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 187
11/3/2009 15:04:07   
ubear
Member

There will obvoiusly be lower level variants of pets that need "Mid-CHA", since a level 20 player who buys a level 20 pet doesn't have enough stat points to train CHA to 200.
AQ  Post #: 188
11/3/2009 15:10:53   
deathtanz
Member

I think he means lvl apropriate ubear. Like, lv 100 but with a TD of 75. Or something like that...

Below: That works nicely then.

< Message edited by deathtanz -- 11/3/2009 15:22:53 >
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 189
11/3/2009 15:13:48   
Chii
 Adorable Knight of Order


 Yes, we kind of sort of want CHA to be a stat that you'd fully train if you were going to bother training it at all. A non-BM pet can still be useful to a person who just wants to put a few points into CHA.
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 190
11/3/2009 15:13:51   
ubear
Member

^ But characters below level 40 don't have enough stat points to train CHA to 200. So pets will be useless for them?

@deathtanz: Yeah I know, there is nothing stopping level 100 players using a level 50 pet because it requires less CHA (compared to a level 100 pet).


quote:

A non-BM pet can still be useful to a person who just wants to put a few points into CHA.

I see you edited this in. :D Nevermind then

< Message edited by ubear -- 11/3/2009 15:18:09 >
AQ  Post #: 191
11/3/2009 15:13:58   
afsoc4life
Member
 

 i thot that is what was originally meant ..

Dont think that shud be done .. why shud someone be forced to train 200 CHA so he can use a BM pet?

I doubt it is the same for LUK, STR, DEX, INT and END!!

< Message edited by skydrite -- 11/3/2009 17:28:10 >
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 192
11/3/2009 15:23:41   
Chii
 Adorable Knight of Order


 Only because there's no stat requirement to use the items, but you will be expected, in the core player damage assumptions, to have fully trained your offensive stats when it comes to how strong a monster should be at whatever level. When we're aiming to make training stats important, we want you to feel it if you neglect a stat. We've accomplished that goal if at any point you have to weigh which stat you want more, or you wish you could train every stat. Making it perfectly acceptable to maybe train 75 instead of 200 goes against this policy.

Or in other words, it's a beastmaster pet, not beastIsortoftrainCHAbutnotreally pet.
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 193
11/3/2009 17:41:20   
hanzo99999
Member

lol no stats will meet the requirement of the weapons at its highest accuracy. i personally use the WAR armor with any element of any weapons. it usually does over 100 damage to 200 damage. Is pretty good. but good equipemtn is required stats is NOT the biggest problem 25 points isnt much, but hey better than nothing right?
Post #: 194
11/3/2009 17:43:56   
SmashBrawlerX2
Member

I might have to rethink becoming a hyrbid beastmaster then...
AQ  Post #: 195
11/3/2009 22:39:50   
Blaze
Member

I personnally don't see the BM builds going anywhere...They might be revised a bit but they wont become useless.On an off note...
quote:

Guess I wont be training LUK then, as Im currently farming using only UM.
I cant wait for the sweep to hit this and fear.I wont lie...I abuse fear against Wyverns.It just makes the battle a little easier.

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AQ  Post #: 196
11/3/2009 22:42:00   
sillycow
Member
 

 i just changed my build to dex/inte/end, wow, this beats my beas tmaster mage build so badly. Farming is easier. I'm doing over 1000 damage on 200% res monster with 60 magic def, this is awesome ^.^.
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 197
11/3/2009 23:04:41   
Eladar
Member
 

 Yes, the pure mage is better than the beastmage for farming. There are several different beastmage variants. Some beast mage variants are stronger than others.
AQ DF  Post #: 198
11/3/2009 23:17:27   
 Kaelin

Tsundere Purple AK of AQGD


 If you are looking for pets that can handle mid-levels of CHA, then mastercraft pets like Araņacabra will fit you perfectly (BM stat% damage with the non-BM training difficulty).
AQ  Post #: 199
11/3/2009 23:22:05   
jayembee
Member

quote:

So do you think Charisma's being outruled?


Nope. Look at my character. Haven't played in a month, however i can still beat most monsters you throw at me as good as any other build.
AQ  Post #: 200
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