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2/4/2011 16:25:14   
He Who Lurks
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Really, how many times have you seen a varium player usually have most of his/her stats contributed to support? We all know the wonderful advantages of high support and how it's almost second to none when it comes to stat preference, but we also know that high amounts of support can lead to "stat abusement e.e", such as but not limited to, powerful critical damages, unusual amount of deflections, and one of the most used 2vs2 skill for mercenaries, artillery strike. How do we balance support out you may ask, well I have a proposal for everyone but I'd like for you to understand something about support first. Support IMO, should be treated as a supplemental stat not a pure damaging stat such as strength which is somewhat a predecessor of support or vice-versa. Now, my proposal to this well known problem would be to have auxiliary damage only increase by increments of 5, not 4.

Now don't freak out yet as I also propose to have auxiliary weapons increase by 1-2+ damage point and also there range of damage be 2-/2+. An example of this would be a mercenary with 70 support, and a auxiliary weapon of level 32 that deals 39 damage(Charfade's Bazooka) which the total auxiliary damage range would be 12-19 instead of it resulting in 14-17. Now your probably thinking what would be the point if the damage is exactly same in this scenario. I want you to think of a mercenary with 100 support this time but with my system this time. Instead of 25-30+37, you would have a mercenary with 18-23+37 auxiliary damage. You see that? Just after 30 points the mercenary has already lost 7 damage points. Now tell me what you think and I'll make existing changes based off of what you think.

~Edit due to the popular responses on how paragraphs are more important than discussing balance itself...(:

I thought we already have a similar one, so let's just use in one area instead: A Comprehensive Balance Discussion. Thanks. :) ~AVA

< Message edited by AVA -- 2/6/2011 5:30:28 >
AQ Epic  Post #: 1
2/4/2011 16:41:25   
Crossor
Member

Try posting this in suggestions.
Post #: 2
2/4/2011 16:42:38   
*Nova*
Member

And make a few paragraphs out of it.
Reading a whole block of text, is very annoying. :3
DF MQ  Post #: 3
2/4/2011 16:43:21   
He Who Lurks
Member

I want feedback, I'm not suggesting it as it is now, some ramifications may be needed. Now please tell me what you think .
AQ Epic  Post #: 4
2/4/2011 16:45:34   
Crossor
Member

I think your lowering the damage by a little bit to the point where it won't make much of a difference after they use MAX AS which usually crits if there max support for around 70 damage.

EDIT:Also yes paragraphs would be nice, the font on these forums sucks.

< Message edited by Crossor -- 2/4/2011 16:46:04 >
Post #: 5
2/4/2011 16:51:17   
InceptionAE
Member

I have to agree with the above above above? Too long of a paragraph, made me stop reading in 5 sec..
im a focus/support merc and usually when support vs a focus build the focus wins. more deflect and block chance than other builds. =D

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AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 6
2/4/2011 16:58:30   
He Who Lurks
Member

@Crosser, No, as the title of the thread depicts, I'm only nerfing support auxiliary wise, and also I'm not even going to respond to those ridiculous statements about paragraphs. Sorry if I don't feel like talking about proper web etiquette with you :p.

EDIT: Really? You could spend about 30 minutes reading PD's long posts without paragraphs yet you can't handle 5 seconds with a small paragraph?

< Message edited by He Who Lurks -- 2/4/2011 17:00:00 >
AQ Epic  Post #: 7
2/4/2011 17:21:09   
Crossor
Member

Like I said, the "nerf" wouldn't change anything in fact it would make every other classes support weaker besides merc.
Post #: 8
2/4/2011 17:42:12   
He Who Lurks
Member

^Please elaborate since this isn't even exclusively to one class. This is to nerf support not mercenaries.
AQ Epic  Post #: 9
2/4/2011 17:47:27   
Crossor
Member

This will nerf everyones Aux damage but it won't change the mercs combo and barely effect there damage. Support will still be useful for most of there skills. They will still have a 2-3hit combo, this mostly effects other classes that use support because Aux damage is one of the main reasons they use support while mercs have multiple reasons.
Post #: 10
2/4/2011 18:57:16   
He Who Lurks
Member

Where in did in this entire did I say I'm trying to exclusively nerf mercenaries? This is a nerf to auxiliary.
AQ Epic  Post #: 11
2/4/2011 18:58:26   
Crossor
Member

I like Aux where it is at, nuff said.
Post #: 12
2/4/2011 19:01:45   
H4ll0w33n
Member

mabye a 4 5 4 5 increase in support but not all 5's because that makes support like a luck only skill.
Post #: 13
2/4/2011 19:02:21   
He Who Lurks
Member

@Crosser, what a shrewd statement. So may I ask how much support you have ?

< Message edited by He Who Lurks -- 2/4/2011 19:03:24 >
AQ Epic  Post #: 14
2/4/2011 19:41:00   
Crossor
Member

48+44, as BH nuff said.
Post #: 15
2/4/2011 19:43:08   
jegaggin
Member

actually guys most lvl 32 non varium players (mercs) use support build.
AQ AQW Epic  Post #: 16
2/4/2011 19:44:36   
Crossor
Member

^ it's the only non-varium build that works at above 80% win rate.
Post #: 17
2/4/2011 19:55:32   
IsaiahtheMage
Member

Why would you want to nerf the Auxes on all classes?That doesnt make sence.
AQW Epic  Post #: 18
2/4/2011 19:58:41   
K.Raza
Member

Mercs are abusing it more then any 1.
AQW Epic  Post #: 19
2/4/2011 20:01:12   
jegaggin
Member

for non varium mercs its the only way to win against varium ppl. and im a focus 5 build and i use a 19-23+37 aux as a key part of my build (but i have other parts too)
AQ AQW Epic  Post #: 20
2/4/2011 20:06:08   
He Who Lurks
Member

quote:

Why would you want to nerf the Auxes on all classes?That doesnt make sence.
I'm not nerfing auxiliary for all players, I'm just nerfing auxiliary for support over 69 users.
AQ Epic  Post #: 21
2/4/2011 20:11:46   
Nebula
Member

To be honest I think 70 is too little a number to begin a nerf of the damage. How about... 80 perhaps? For some reason I just feel 70 is too low. I half agree with this because I think weakening an Auxs power gain after a certain ammount while help defend against extreme-support abusers ( which, ironially, I am one considering I use 96 support on my Mage build d= ).
Post #: 22
2/4/2011 21:13:52   
jegaggin
Member

how about at a 102 :D
AQ AQW Epic  Post #: 23
2/4/2011 21:44:38   
He Who Lurks
Member

@Nebula,I believe you're right but how about we do this without stat mods so players aren't penalised for "high support" using stat mods?
AQ Epic  Post #: 24
2/5/2011 2:04:46   
Dusty2050
Member

How about at 89 since my bounty has 88 support? But seriously, I don't like this because it sort of tears down support mages who are just rising with Azrael, even though I'm a bounty. I want some decent competition ^^
AQ DF MQ AQW  Post #: 25
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