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=DF= Design Notes September 2nd, 2011 (Plus poll)

Continue the game in single player format, as is.

64% (666)

Use the AQW engine to make DF into an mmo, but using the current style

9% (94)

Render out the game into 3D with a new engine.

14% (147)

Smash DF and MQ together into a DragonMech single player world.

6% (68)

Smash DF and MQ together into a DragonMech mmo world

1% (20)

Try to ultilize an EpicDuel style engine to for battles and PvP

4% (44)

Total Votes : 1039

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9/3/2011 4:45:14

Necromancer Nickto
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Use the AQW engine to make DF into an mmo, but using the current style of storyline and changing combat system to be more like the current DF style.
Maybe there could be 3 or 4 friends from your party per room as having 10 ppl in a room like AQW makes it too laggy. I want their to be no farming or grinding for items otherwise Dragonfable would end up a fashion statement like in AQW where 95% of items are either acs or membership with the very few cool non-member item, DF is to provide interesting gameplay and plots with many puns to make the game gripping not hard work. I would like to have private chat implemented into the game.Please no monthly payments, IF YOU MAKE DF AN MMO PLEASE NO MONTHLY PAYMENTS

Render out the game into 3D with a new engine.
Possibly have an option to toggle between 3D and 2D that way making both sides happy. If not then the animations of attacks and the background/ scenery in 3D but leave the sprites in 2D.

Smash DF and MQ together into a DragonMech single player world.
Noooooooooooooooooo! I prefer fantasy to sci-fi and it destroy all the art it would be like mixing chalk and cheese. THEY DON'T MIX! SAVE THE DRAGONS!!

Smash DF and MQ together into a DragonMech mmo world (using the AQW DFified engine).
(See above answer)

Try to ultilize an EpicDuel style engine to for battles and PvP (player suggestion during panel)
I don't like Epicduel pvp but like AQW PvP style, try that for aeris pvp as it needs an update. I would like to see real people online battle instead of the AI fighting as them.

Continue the game in single player format, as is.
Another good option possibly daily quests for 10k gold or XP or items as gaining gold is quite hard currently.

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9/3/2011 4:47:32

coxy 7003
Member

Only option 1 is viable. All the other options betray the current fans of DF. The game is fine in its current format so there seems like no reason to change it at all.....

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Post #: 127

9/3/2011 4:52:34

Mihkel
Member

I'm for 3. Mostly because even after years of playing Dragonfable, I never lost the awkward feeling when my character is moving up or down.
As for the other points, Adventure Quest Worlds is bad and i don't see how it could ever function as a proper mmorpg as it is now.

< Message edited by Mihkel -- 9/3/2011 7:18:03 >

Post #: 128

9/3/2011 5:01:06

Shadows Morgenstern
Member

DragonFable is PERFECT as it is. And yet its still getting better every week. I personally would most likely stop playing if it was turned into a MMO. DragonFable is magical as it is and has captured the hearts of many. I don't want another AE game where you get called a noob, hacker and an idiot for getting a rare weapon. DragonFable is probably one of the most magical games I have ever played. If DF was changed so radically I would feel like I had lost something special to me.

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Post #: 129

9/3/2011 5:01:41

kamandala
Member

it wud be awesome in 3d but it should not loose its df touch

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9/3/2011 5:02:36

MasterX3
Member

THREE DIMENSIONAL
3D 3D 3D!!!

Post #: 131

9/3/2011 5:03:00

The Betrayer123
Member

Please do not change DF's style. I love it the way it is and I have tried playing MQ but it got so boring that I quit. I really dont think merging it with DF is a good idea.

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9/3/2011 5:05:06

Sainsbo
Orange Squire

Okay, here's my thoughts.

If DF became a MMO, i personally would think it would suck. Would you make members pay monthly? because that is not fair for people with DA's. Plus the lag is so annoning on AQW already.

DF and MechQuest? Just No. The art styles are complely different from eachother.

DF in 3d? Thats the least horrible ides, but honestly, DF is great the way it is. It doesn't need changing, and i think quite a lot of people feel the same way.

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Post #: 133

9/3/2011 5:12:21

Sirilidion
Member

keep it as it is! It is a great game as it is and making such drrastic changes would make the game worse imo. improve the artwork to fit the new style where it is not done, more awesome music, more voiceacting and maybe ad races if it ads some more tactical choices and maybe even some backstories how the character decided to become a hero from every race.

there are enough mmo's as it is and most just don't have good storylines and the community is pretty unfriendly. This game has a great storyline. good artwork, good community and some nice humor mixed in it which makes it one of my favorite games to play

< Message edited by Sirilidion -- 9/3/2011 5:21:32 >

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9/3/2011 5:13:55

Dwelling Dragonlord

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Okay, let me give my look on it.

2. MMOs have horrible communities, most of the population seems to be bragging about their stuff and other achievements.
3. I myself do not understand how you got to this in the first place. Tell me this, do you have any 3D artists on your team?*
What's more, where would the art of your flash artists have to go?
4. This does not seem to be for me, but this is just my personal taste and I cannot talk for others.
5. See 2.
6. Could you please elaborate on this a bit more? Is this limited to the PvP area or will this turn into an MMO?
I myself have got no trouble with the former, but not if this at the cost of DF becoming an MMO.

*Keep in mind that people will likely demand an art-standard close to the current 2D style of Tomix, but in 3D. While I myself do not agree that graphics are the most important thing, a lot of people will likely disagree with me here.

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Post #: 135

9/3/2011 5:25:10

Cheddar
Member

Here are my thoughts on all of the options:

1)Continue the game in single player format, as is.

Perfectly feasible. No issue with on this one.

2)Use the AQW engine to make DF into an mmo, but using the current style of storyline and changing combat system to be more like the current DF style.

Well, I would honestly not hate this idea if it didn't mean monthly payments. I just can't afford that on top of Xbox Live. :P Also, if the art style had to be changed, I don't think I'd like that. It think if this option were chosen, it would cause about 90% of the DF player-base to quit, but would rake in a lot of new players who are into MMOs like AQW.

3)Render out the game into 3D with a new engine.

I am not totally against this, but I want to know what will happen to our lovely artists and animators? :P All the work that Tomix and Ghost have just put into redesigning Oaklore and Falconreach...would be lost. Moreover, it would likely cause massive lag on slower computers. It think this approach would lose almost as many players as the previous option. That aside, it would probably also gain a whole new fanbase.

4)Smash DF and MQ together into a DragonMech single player world.

This is a feasible idea. For a few reasons. DragonFable and MechQuest are both single player games. So you still have that going for you. There is no major graphical change, so that won't cause a ton of people to defect from the game. Furthermore, having both the DF and MQ teams working on two separate games is spreading out a lot of effort into two games that don't exactly make the company as much money as they used to (I presume). Freeing up some of the team from both sides would allow more team members to create future games without AE having to hire more people. The negative side: Merging the games together would mean merging the gameplay. Whichever gameplay it leans more toward, the fans of that game will be more likely to stay, but the fans of the one whose gameplay loses out will be saddyface. :(

5)Smash DF and MQ together into a DragonMech mmo world (using the AQW DFified engine).

The reasons I dislike this are the same as option 2. The reason I like this is because it would be pretty fun to have PvP with Dragons fighting Mechs. :P

6)Try to ultilize an EpicDuel style engine to for battles and PvP (player suggestion during panel!)

This is probably my favorite. Presuming it only affects PvP. The EpicDuel battle system overlaid onto DragonFable would be great. Except in non-multiplayer fights. The timer works for PvP because if a player is afk, it will allow the other player to go. But fighting monsters...it would make the experience less enjoyable.

May I propose a seventh option? Keep the game single player, but overhaul its engine to allow for more awesome new gameplay features. As it is now, there is only so much the game can do.

< Message edited by Cheddar -- 9/3/2011 5:27:18 >

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Post #: 136

9/3/2011 5:34:54

Tiago X
Member

2. Don't complain about the AQW community. This is about us , we're probably the nicer community in AE. I'd LOVE to chat with everyone in game :s

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Post #: 137

9/3/2011 5:35:42

Artezza Trigger
Member

1) THIS. Best possible course of action.
2)Oh god no. DF's community is perfect as it is, but if its turned into an MMO the same thing will happen here as it happened to AQW's community. (Edit: Forgot about monthly payment possibilty...Can't afford it :( )
3) 3D seems interesting...but wouldn't that take a lot more work? You guys often don't seem to get enough sleep as it is...
4) This one is certainly...random...
5) See point 2.
6)I'm not quite sure what this means. Actual PVP sounds interesting, but I'm not that fond of Epicduels battle system...would be interesting for Aeris Battlespire, though.

Edit: @Above: And AQW had a nice community at the start. But then the flood came...

< Message edited by Artezza Trigger -- 9/3/2011 5:38:06 >

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Post #: 138

9/3/2011 5:44:42

soulus42
Member

I would rather see this game kept as it is, if it were to turn into an mmo, that would defeat the purpose of those buying, or bought, a DA and the one time payment. As well as that I would wonder how the classes would be made to fit into the mmo, would it be like AQW, where the classes have 4 skills, or will it have the DF fighting system where you are brought into a fight and have the 14 skills. Those are my concerns with turning this into an mmo game.

A 3D version of this game does make me curious how it would work, but I would rather see it in 2D, I mean... look at the artwork we have ^^

A dragon/mech game does sound very interesting and I would like to see how that would turn out, just not in mmo style :p

As for the epic duel, would this just affect the pvp system in DF or the whole game... If just for pvp then I do like the idea of it, does make it sound rather fun. On the other hand, however, that just depends on what would be changed XD

All in all, I would rather keep dragonfable the way it is, its fun, its enjoyable and it gives me smileyface =)
That does not mean I am not up for a change, so long as the changes are good changes XD

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Post #: 139

9/3/2011 5:46:38

San Robin

Just keep DF as it is please :)

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9/3/2011 5:55:09

FrosticIce
Member

quote:

1)Continue the game in single player format, as is.

Yes, it's one of the things that makes the game unique to me and I enjoy it.

quote:

2)Use the AQW engine to make DF into an mmo, but using the current style of storyline and changing combat system to be more like the current DF style.

No, I prefer DragonFable the way it is. It has a nice air to it that AQW doesn't have.

quote:

3)Render out the game into 3D with a new engine.

No! No! No! So many games are 3D it's nice to see somethings in 2D and also I enjoy most if not all the art in DragonFable. It's what makes DragonFable, DragonFable!

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4)Smash DF and MQ together into a DragonMech single player world.

Possibly, but only if it makes the storyline more interesting/adds something to the storyline, as the storyline is my main interest in the game. Then again I'm also not very intersted in Sci-Fi and as a result am not all for a smash of both games.

quote:

5)Smash DF and MQ together into a DragonMech mmo world (using the AQW DFified engine).

Look at the above statements and you should get an idea of my opinion.

quote:

6)Try to ultilize an EpicDuel style engine to for battles and PvP (player suggestion during panel!)

Hmmm, sounds interesting. I like the idea as it would make the PVP arena more appealing as after several battles it becomes dull and difficult to achieve any of the high ranks in the arena. I like it.

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Post #: 141

9/3/2011 6:35:38

Assassin01
Member

As long as it doesn't turn into an mmo i'm good(let's not make another aqw i'm begging!)

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Post #: 142

9/3/2011 6:38:56

GalaXyVenom
Member

1 or 3, 1 or 3, 1 or 3...
I cannot choose!
6: We already have a PvP system; But it needs an update.
But if the Staff DARES to make this game a MMO I'll quit. D'ya hear me?!

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9/3/2011 6:39:00

nn1234
Member

No no no. Please just keep it the way it is. If it becomes a MMO like every single thing will require loads of people and that completely ruins the point of DF when one of the nicer things about it is you don't need to go around and get other people for everything that's remotely hard. Especially if you don't have any RL friends who play the game. People who want a MMO use AQW. And DragonMechs would be stupid since most of the agame is played as a non titan fight and if you are non da you can't even play titan anyway. And if non das can now do titan then it is unfair to das who paid for it specifically to get titan. And I'm not really sure whether 3D would work for DF if you still use the mouse to move around and there's no need to drastically change the controls possibly for a few minigames but that would probably be too much work. I've never actually played epic duel so if I'm wrong about it ignore this bit but from what I've heard about it it is a multiplayer game which has lots of PVP so the multiplayer PVP bit might work but again multiplayer for the whole game wouldn't work.

SO anyway I'm sticking with 1. Chapter 2 should just be a continuation of the storyline anyway. There's no need to drastically change it.

< Message edited by nn1234 -- 9/3/2011 6:42:10 >

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9/3/2011 7:04:08

MrLustiggy
Member

I say keep it the way it is.
dragonfable is the only game that you can guarentee i play every week
if they changed its current format i would probably die a little on the inside

the only thing i could live with is a completly new game
thats the DF/MQ MMO as i love both games (cept i guess we already have AQW )

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9/3/2011 7:06:28

Voodoo Master

Dark Arts Specialist (DF Pedia)

Is anyone even counting the votes?

I think that so far it's something like-

1) Keep as it is.
2) Turn into 3D.
3) EpicDuel style- but just in the pvp area.

I don't know about the rest.

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Post #: 146

9/3/2011 7:12:49

Cicgnar
Member

I think the best option is 1...

Yeah, the actual system seems to have reached it's peak... Then again I thought the same when Dragesvard was released... and Popsrocket blew me up... and then came another zone...and the final War has been awesome (besides the cheap trick that it felt the sudden increase of enemies ¬¬)

So my point is... you have always been able to pull something unexpected new and WOWed your fanbase; and I have NOT seen any signs of that stopping to happen anytime soon.

2 - I'm against it. Not like I have anything against MMOs or even AQW.... It's simply that it won't felt like DF anymore. Right now, every player has te feeling that his character is relevant, no matter his level, the storyline is his' and the rest of the players are background "heros" who help HIM. If you put everyone together...you break the illusion. That feeling will be lost and you will feel just like any other MMO character... Which I don't want, personally.

3 - My laptop is not too old (near 2 years old) and at best quality, 2D lastest's flash animations get a bit laggy. In 3D, though I love the idea, I think it would taint the lovable 2D-feeling it has... But I'm open-minded about this.... Only sorry about you the ABSURD amount of work you will be facing :S

4 - Euh... I'm both a MQ SC and DF DA. Though I like MQ, it's a VERY different game, with it's own gameplay... And a setting I won't comfortable being around being a Necromancer or riding a Drgon or...wathever... So, no, I think it's best to keep both games apart. (Though... I have to admit that punching mechas with a dragon or a dragon piloting mechas is as AWESOME as it sounds...)

5 - Take 2 and add 4... That's my answer; in a nut, I don't think I'd like it

6 - I don't like EpicDuel very much but... the PvP system needs revision, specially so it won't feel so boringly grindy

My post in a nutshell

"1, though 3 won't scare me away!"

< Message edited by Cicgnar -- 9/3/2011 7:13:49 >

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9/3/2011 7:12:48

ArchMagus Orodalf
Member

quote:

1)Continue the game in single player format, as is.

This.

And an actual forum poll could be accomplished by one of the many AKs/Mods for this forum we have (please, so that the votes actually count. :P).

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9/3/2011 7:14:14

BlueKatz
Member

I played all AE games so I'm pretty confident about my though here.

MMO: Pretty much, making it like AQW/HS is not the best idea, very very time consuming and many people hate MMO that play DF. It gonna take age to code and fit DF into AQW while the result is not too great. Look at HS, it's not that good, another MMO? No...

MQ: This is a bad idea. I know MQ need some help but this won't work. MQ fan is limited and I don't think DF style match MQ style at all. So with me, this is a big NO

That also mean no MQ-DF MMO. This is the WORST idea

3D I find DF great with such 2D system and that's make DF unique. Making it 3D mean we lose many staffs and time consuming again. 2D art is the best about DF, it might have many flaws, but it make DF. Changing it = destroy DF and make other game. So NO

ED I have to say... BEST idea. I'm so 50-50 about keeping DF the way it is and mixing with ED

Let me start the reason why I like ED idea.

You see, there are only 2 reasons why some people don't like DF: a little to quite (AQ has animation in fight while DF only start animation when use skill) and no challenge.

I know some people, noticeable AQ fans... weird, really against DF because of the "No challenge" thing (plus the seriousness of the story) and so do some other. And really... that's ALL the reasons why people dislike DF

So what do we have in ED? Strategy! Really. We are now in need of class balance and strategy, the weak point of DF is the fighting system so if DF get serious about PvP we will fill that hole!

How can ED mix with DF?
We can have a big chat box... this will work for Guild! And Quest invite. You know like Blizzard did, chat room and people add party and go for a Hunt, it's like that. We can chat a lot in PvP so it's fun.

Also ED match DF because it also use Turn Base system so we don't have to change DF style too much, the only change we have is adding the Counting time so afk people skip their turns.

So ED mix with DF is not a bad idea.

If people don't like it, I believe this can be the solution for MQ

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9/3/2011 7:17:04

Kalyn Valeheart
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As long as the chat can be turned off and pvp is only optional.... the reason i never played ED is very simple, I do not like to have the idea of real pvp forced on me! Do not like real PVP, prefer the AI-based.

3d is out of the question too...urgh, 3d graphics is just awful and what would happen with the current very nice art and besides I really really do not see how 3d would be possible
for a single player game;l it would then HAVE to be multiplayer to ceover the costs. Ultimately, it seems the staff will really want to make it mmo, no matter what we say.

This would cause trmenedous lag too

I ahudder to think at the amount of spam messages.....

Either way, I'm probably going to be very unhappy with what Df will turn into if it doesn't stay the same.
I hope I won't be forced to quit, whatever is ultimately decided. I like the game so far, it;s my lunch break game most of the time still
and...well if that turns into anything else it just won't be Df anymore.

I was really hoping we would never reach this discussion....of making DF a mmo or anything else.
Ultimately, I'd agree as long as the mmo features such as real time pvp and chat are only optional
I prefer my single player experience, thank you very much. otherwise, i would have tried to bear AQW and how bad it is...

Also:

quote:

And an actual forum poll could be accomplished by one of the many AKs/Mods for this forum we have (please, so that the votes actually count. :P).

This, the thread should be tagged I think.

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