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I would also like to mention Greater Heal is a LEGEND ONLY card meaning it is a little stronger then other cards of its kind. In time I'm sure there will be other Legend only cards that will be slightly stronger then other cards of the same type.

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If they were to be the same, then would you also want Counter Attack and Iron Hide to be the same as Shields? They all prevent damage just like shields.

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Also yes not every element has a legend exclusive card, but not all elements have 3+ legendary characters yet.

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and if you think about it Shadow Fire is a Fireball for Shadow Legends, yes its the strongest card for Shadow but it is not stronger then any other 1k damage for 8 mana.

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No Apprentice, Veteran, or Master can possibly access Bash or Thrash, that makes them Legend only. Black Dragon is a Legend. Or did you mean that there'd be other "dragons" that aren't necessarily Legends with Bash and Thrash?

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Does that mean that they'll get legend exclusive cards once they do have 3+ legends? Because this isn't true for Neutral... And about that, why does Light have so as many Legends as Ice, Fire, Lightning, Earth, and Water combined? It has six! Queen Aegea, FC, Father Time, Templar, Seraphim, and Sentry Lord. Now that's a balance issue.

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No, CC Poison is the strongest card for Shadow. 210% energy efficiency for 1260 damage > 125% for 1000. I was just saying that if Legendary-only cards were held to a higher standard it would be silly when only Light and Shadow characters have them.

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No Apprentice, Veteran, or Master can possibly access Bash or Thrash, that makes them Legend only. Black Dragon is a Legend. Or did you mean that there'd be other "dragons" that aren't necessarily Legends with Bash and Thrash?

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Does that mean that they'll get legend exclusive cards once they do have 3+ legends? Because this isn't true for Neutral... And about that, why does Light have so as many Legends as Ice, Fire, Lightning, Earth, and Water combined? It has six! Queen Aegea, FC, Father Time, Templar, Seraphim, and Sentry Lord. Now that's a balance issue.

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No, CC Poison is the strongest card for Shadow. 210% energy efficiency for 1260 damage > 125% for 1000. I was just saying that if Legendary-only cards were held to a higher standard it would be silly when only Light and Shadow characters have them.

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First you need to also take into account the amount of turns the damage is being dealt, that also factors into how strong a card is. With poison you have to wait 4 turns and in the mean time someone can shield and prevent that damage, while a single high damage card has less of a chance of being negated or prevented while it is being used.

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This is also not a balance issue, and more of a selection issue. There are 59 shadow characters, that is an imbalance, never mind the legends, just the number of shadow characters is staggering compared to the other elements.

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Claiming that the current characters are the only ones that have these cards and that nothing in the future will get them is quite short sighted. You never know there could be an entire tree that are all dragons with Bash and Thrash from apprentice to legend. So claiming that Bash and Thrash are legend only (when clearly no other shadow legend has these cards other then the Black DRAGON) is silly and not even a balance issue.

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As time progresses, there will be more legends for more elements. As for cards, those will exist as well with time. Just like with AP getting a few extra cards, older legends getting new legend cards is not out of the question.

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Which, as you evidently know having made that observation, is because Iron Hide does its job FAR better than Counter Attack/Void Reflection.

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A "selection issue" is a "balance issue", otherwise there'd be no issue with how the powers that be went about their selection. Someone selected the option of a 2 card cost for Fresh Start and a 1 card cost for Neutralize, and it's an issue because of the imbalance.

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So that's possible but a non-dragon character with Thrash/Bash isn't?

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The "as time progresses" argument is all well and good when we know what the devs are going to do, but since we don't it's not going to do any harm to discuss what they should do.

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because Iron Hide does its job FAR better than Counter Attack/Void Reflection.

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Someone selected the option of a 2 card cost for Fresh Start and a 1 card cost for Neutralize, and it's an issue because of the imbalance.

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So that's possible but a non-dragon character with Thrash/Bash isn't?

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The "as time progresses" argument is all well and good when we know what the devs are going to do, but since we don't it's not going to do any harm to discuss what they should do.

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So it's the cost of Fresh Start from Neutralize is bothering you here?

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2 shield cards can really take away a lot of poison's DoT, rendering it harmless most of the time if the poison is used for a stall for energy.

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As I said earlier, since Black Dragon is our only full grown dragon character with such cards, we can't compare them to others who could have them or couldn't.

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I am, however, not wrong in saying that they are currently Legendary-exclusive cards as they are only found on a Legend.

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Shields aren't as efficient as Poison and Poisons can be stacked too.

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Yeah.

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"Water, Neutral, and Energy, the only 3 elements with mana boosting cards.

Energize, requires you discard 1 attack card, most of Energy's cards rely on attack cards.

Neutralize, requires you to discard any card, Neutral decks tend to be mana heavy having high costing cards.

Fresh Start, requires you discard any 2 cards, Water decks tend to lean towards using heals to stall and have an average mana consumption.

The cost of these special cards are balanced when used with their respective elemental decks. "

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Shields aren't as efficient as Poison and Poisons can be stacked too.

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I agree, there has yet to be any pattern in the game to suggest that Bash and Thrash would be exclusive to "a full grown dragon character". I am, however, not wrong in saying that they are currently Legendary-exclusive cards as they are only found on a Legend.

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"Water, Neutral, and Energy, the only 3 elements with mana boosting cards.

Energize, requires you discard 1 attack card, most of Energy's cards rely on attack cards.

Neutralize, requires you to discard any card, Neutral decks tend to be mana heavy having high costing cards.

Fresh Start, requires you discard any 2 cards, Water decks tend to lean towards using heals to stall and have an average mana consumption.

The cost of these special cards are balanced when used with their respective elemental decks. "

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Shields can be stacked as well what is your point here, that poison needs to be nerfed?

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Fresh Start has double the cost of Neutralize when Neutral is better at converting energy

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Neutral has a higher demand for a mana boost, yet it has a lower cost.

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Incinerate to 3 energy and Fresh Start to 1 discard would also help.

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@TFP : You have proven my point about Fresh Start and Neutralize......

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Incinerate is a combination of Might and Empower and as such it has the cost of both added together.

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Might and Empower would use up 3 cards, themselves plus the discard. Incinerate uses 2, itself and the discard.

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Neutral decks require more mana then Water, and as such Water requires something extra to regain mana. If Neutralize required you to discard 2 cards you would think that is unbalanced compared to Water because water decks generally have a lower mana cost compared to Neutral decks.

Claiming Water needs an easier way to gain mana just because Neutralize only requires 1 card means you have not really spent a lot of time using a water deck. Using your supply and demand concept, Water having less of a demand = higher cost for the supply, Neutral having a higher demand = lower cost for the supply.