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Any arguing or un-constructive criticism is not appreciated and will result in asking for this thread to be locked.

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Even though the devs have broken their promise in the past quite a few times, I don't think old promos will be coming back soon. Personally I wouldn't mind, but realistically the devs themselves have said that they won't be releasing old promos. Maybe if it's the cores you want then we can push for them to remake the cores of old promos and possibly sell them in vendbot? This way the core and the art maintain their uniqueness, the playerbase can experiment/have some fun, and you partially get what you want to. Is that okay?

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Edit: Lol I mean look in the forum below me. You guys really think that was the way to go about things? Nearly each and every one of the individuals who replied on that forum did so with malicious intent and with little respect to the OP. That alone is disgusting, revulsive, and makes me want to go off forums now. It's not what you say, it's how you say it and even our PR liaison could've done better with his wording. It's clear that the OP is asking for old promos to come back so instead of criticizing and belittling him/her for that you guys could have explored your options and gathered some more information as to exactly what the individual wants the most: Cores or the art. Below is something I would've written:

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Even though the devs have broken their promise in the past quite a few times, I don't think old promos will be coming back soon. Personally I wouldn't mind, but realistically the devs themselves have said that they won't be releasing old promos. Maybe if it's the cores you want then we can push for them to remake the cores of old promos and possibly sell them in vendbot? This way the core and the art maintain their uniqueness, the playerbase can experiment/have some fun, and you partially get what you want to. Is that okay?

But no. Instead of following the steps of 1) Addressing the problem 2) Offering constructive criticism & 3) Offering a counter-suggestion based off of the criticism, everyone just criticizes in a negative manner. The majority of them attacked a single player who came on forums to solely make the game better in his/her own perspective when that player is probably a 14 year old kid that was encouraged to come on forums and share his thoughts. Haha I mean this hypocritical environment. You guys ask for logic and reality yet are okay with the lack of it in game. You guys want change, yet you don't unite. You guys want people to come on forums, yet criticize them with negative remarks then use the justification of "preparing them for the real world". You guys aren't parents, nor elders when it comes to cyberspace. You're merely another player on this game, protected by anonymity, and deserving of respect.

Eh, not my game anymore. You guys can tear yourselves apart.

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Hello,

I am just popping by to address a few questions and concerns from some people here as I think there are a few misinterpretations and misunderstandings in this discussion. In advance, I would like to emphasise that it is not my intention to harm nor flame anyone. I would also like to point out that most of us on the ED forums are aware of the forum's rules and especially how to post seeing as most of us here are experienced - but nevertheless we are all very much welcomed to see that there are individuals who are always reviewing and linking/quoting to the rules before creating a post.

I do not intend to encourage anyone here to start flaming or of the sort, but am rather discouraging those who are currently behaving inappropriately and talking nonsense. The main intention of this post is to address the concerns of The beserker killer, GodOfTechno, and a few others who are quite deluded by the concept of constructive criticism. It certainly is not proper etiquette to resort to personal attacks on the forums, and as such I hope no one takes my post (below) personally.

I would like to provide a brief understanding of what constructive criticism actually is. Constructive criticism can be provided in the form of an opinion, so opinions nor facts should be disregarded in discussions. Opinion begets opinion. In this case, Front45's opinion on EpicDuel's current situation begot others' opinion on the topic. I am not saying that everything he/she has said is mere opinion, there are also facts. Suggestions and such can and usually do derive from your own beliefs and judgement (of the game) which then bring about discussions. I concur that constructive criticism is needed in order to improve the discussion going on in a thread, however I believe that some have a misconception of what constructive criticism actually is.

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What is it?
Constructive criticism is being able to process and offer your own thoughts and opinions in order to give courteous and friendly feedback. This is done by explaining what you like and dislike, while at the same time providing feedback that is useful. This is what separates constructive feedback from ranting/complaining and flaming.

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This quote is taken from the forum rules, which can be found stickied on the ED GD board. In no way do the rules imply that we are obliged to provide an alternative or suggest changes to a suggestion/discussion, etc... Constructive criticism can be given in a way so that it highlights the pros and cons of the topic but it does not necessitate you to actually provide both in order to positively contribute towards a discussion. Pointing out negative aspects of something can positively effect the discussion, as that is what creates a discussion; negative versus positive, and we then battle it out in order to balance it; weighing out between the two and see which holds more weight - subsequently requesting changes.

Feedback is feedback in the end. It would not make sense if one just points out the good aspects of something, it is necessary that the bad side be expressed in a thoughtful and positive manner as well.

If one creates a thread and subsequently dissuades the community from replying by saying something along the lines of "Do not bother discussing, because [insert reason]" - this can also be considered destructive and unproductive. If one fails to discuss (of course in an appropriate manner) their suggestion or topic because everyone is against it (having provided appropriate feedback), consequently requesting deletion or lock of said thread due to the reason that he/she was unable to fight back -- is something very unproductive to do, and disrespectful towards the community here on the forums.

I think that everyone here is behaving appropriately (excluding the small bickering regarding how one should post) enough to carry on forward with this discussion. It is not that everyone is behaving inappropriate here, but rather the upbringing of this topic is somewhat bitter to it's core and will only bring about sour posts from users. Ridiculous and ludicrous threads will only beget ridiculous and ludicrous replies.

To address those who have accused a few individuals of being disrespectful towards the thread creator -- they certainly were not being disrespectful. Even if it is the slightest disrespectful towards the thread creator, he/she should be aware of his unusual and despicable behavior both in-game and on the forums and behave accordingly in the future, and therefore expect ill will from some members. It is however evident that he/she is not taking any of the feedback previously received into consideration when blatantly and constantly creating threads of similar concerns of which have previously been answered many times.

You have to earn respect. Simply put, to expect respect you have give respect first. One may question whether Front45 is being respectful with his constant postings here on the forums, of which can also be considered spam. One cannot expect to be respected or praised by the community for inappropriate behavior of spamming pointless topics across the entire forums. Some might be cheeky enough to redirect my words back at me by saying that one cannot expect respect from Front45 as others are not respecting him at first, but that is clearly not the case as the same concerns of which he posted about in this thread have been answered many times over the past year.

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That being said, I will go ahead and answer Front45. I'll be frank and upfront about this, some of your suggestions there are to please yourself or because you are not able to play properly. I would highly advise you to continue playing, and review your losses as to how and why you lost and then make changes to your build or strategy accordingly. Another thing I would suggest you do to avoid such a hostile response from the community is, stop bombarding the forums with these posts that contain lists rather than a single topic to discuss about - one reason being, it will make some make some people reluctant to reply to your threads in a good manner. There are different boards in the forums for this reason, so that everything isn't being discussed in one place.

All in all, most of your concerns have already been answered in the past, and nothing has changed of ED that would have a different answer to your questions at this time. I think spamming the forums with the same topic isn't the best way to get things across to the developers or community. I am sure that the developers are very much well aware of what the community wants at this point, and with a new PR person recruited we can only hope that things will change in the future.

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So, if someone argues against you, you will give up on the suggestion and request a lock? (Reverse psychology. ^This is how you get people to argue with you, even if they weren't planning to.)

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I'm not here to argue. I'm here doing the same thing I've been trying to do since the beginning: offering simple suggestions that will give players something to do and keep us occupied. So, if an active player of ED comes on the forums and tries to belittle me with a negative tone and un-constructive criticism about a potentially good idea that benefits nearly everyone....i'm not fighting back. You guys play the game too, you guys know very well what the game needs. Yet they allow their immaturity and personal feelings to cloud their judgement. They become so occupied with fighting to unite instead uniting to fight for a more fun game.

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I'm just here to offer a suggestion. Any arguing or un-constructive criticism is not appreciated and will result in asking for this thread to be locked.

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Eh, not my game anymore. You guys can tear yourselves apart.

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As stated, I am not here to argue. Apologies.

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Argue:

to present reasons for or against a thing:
He argued in favor of capital punishment.