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4/20/2017 12:11:29   
MarchingToApril
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@dragon_monster: Assuming that the Hero's going around questing pretty much everywhere and doing world-saving stuff every other location isn't exactly normal, the Hero would likely not be confused with other heroes save the ones who've saved a similar number of locations from a similar number of threats. It would be the difference between "Here, we were saved by the hero, Bob of Bobbington, the knight who saved Bobtown from a catastrophe the likes he has never seen before" versus "Here, we were saved by the Hero, who saved Randomtown from a catastrophe the likes of which they have seen, like, every other week by this point."

@Shiny_Underpants: Basically, yes, if at least within the land of dragons. I'm not overly sure about the canonicity of the April Fool's stuff but, assuming they're canon, it would mean that, in theory, the Hero's maximal domain of places to do hero work in is everywhere - which would lead credence to the Hero of Lore eventually becoming a full on title meant for the Hero, personally.
Though I'd think that, in that sort of analogy, Caitiff's vital mistake wouldn't be that it didn't think to expand the Hero's domain to include the literal stuff of nightmares but that it failed to take into account the villains and why they failed, instead just focusing purely on the Hero and why they've won. Ignored a good half of the equation, as it were.
Post #: 26
4/20/2017 12:40:32   
dragon_monster
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Lets take Galanoth who has almost as big range of activity as the hero he saved many people from dragons well mostly only dragons. Would he not be considered a hero by many many people the same with Artix and even our new ally from Varlith-Caitiff saga that is a monster hunter. People would call them heroes and 2 of this heroes are wiling to vanquish an banshee.
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 27
4/20/2017 12:47:03   
MarchingToApril
Member

@^: Galanoth would be considered a hero, yes, but given that his primarily on dragons and the like, he'd likely be titled "Dragonslayer" rather than Hero. Same with Artix and Symone, they'd similarly be titled as "Paladin" and "Shadowhunter" than Hero. They're all heroes, of course, but the title of Hero would go to the Hero for doing all of the above in all the places they can reach. As well as doing other Hero-stuff. The above three would be the specialists to the Hero's jack-of-all-heroing-trades, in a way.
Post #: 28
4/20/2017 12:56:40   
dragon_monster
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Why would people care that the ones who saved them from dragon or undead/ghosts or just monsters are what they are. Would they not just call them heroes then their class title?
For example when we saved Falconreach in the Wrath of Xan we became named the hero of Falconreach not the warrior/mage/rogue and since they where the only canon classes back then we where not really a jack of all trades.
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 29
4/20/2017 13:01:27   
MarchingToApril
Member

@^: It tends to be noticeable when a person only gets into their crazy, slay-'em-all state when placed in front of a horde of rampaging undead as opposed to being crazy-slay-'em-all in front of everything. The Hero wouldn't be a jack of all trades in terms of classes, it would be in terms of what they did, where they go, what they slew, etc.
Post #: 30
4/20/2017 13:10:02   
dragon_monster
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Yeah we take everything on from undead to monsters to possible deities to humans whatever chaosweavers where the ones with more legs not the class well their both but my point is made.

But hey to add to things the Shapless empire has a guild of heroes heard it when we kept praising how amazing the hero was and how strong and a staff member gave us the example of that guild. You would think an entire guild doing what the hero does will make him less amazing.
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 31
4/20/2017 13:16:49   
MarchingToApril
Member

@^: Au contraire, considering the Hero still manages to do what they do without the benefit of the support, supply, and information one would expect an organized guild to provide its heroes, and the Hero's still pretty impressive in their own right.
Post #: 32
4/20/2017 13:19:02   
dragon_monster
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I actually meant that in a more sarcastic way.
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 33
4/20/2017 13:24:11   
FriendOfAFriend
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No, Galanoth would not be refereed to as a Hero by the majority. He will be refereed to as a Dragonslayer as that is the one thing he does.

He doesn't save people from bandits. He kills dragons. He may save lives by killing evil dragons, sure, but he still just kills dragons.

Galanoth is a hero, yes, but he is not nearly as well known as our Hero nor does he have the wide skillset as our Hero.

Example being someone seeing us for the first time, the Hero, after knowing we defeated SMUDD, Caitiff, Wargoth etc, they'd be like 'OMG IT'S THE HERO OF LORE!' If they saw Galanoth for the first time, they'd be like 'OMG IT'S THE DRAGONSLAYER! I heard he bested the Great *insert dragon here* by himself with only half a spear!'.

Just like Artix would be known as 'Undead Slayer' or 'Warden of Light' or something etc etc. They do specific things. Our Hero kinda just does everything, which is why we get the more general term 'Hero'.

< Message edited by FriendOfAFriend -- 4/20/2017 13:26:35 >
Post #: 34
4/20/2017 13:27:22   
MarchingToApril
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@dragon_monster: I'm somewhat blind to internet sarcasm, I'm afraid. My apologies.

Post #: 35
4/20/2017 13:52:04   
Greyor_42
Member

@marchingtoapril

quote:

Here, we were saved by the Hero, who saved Randomtown from a catastrophe the likes of which they have seen, like, every other week by this point.


it's kind of sad how accurate this has become of our hero, especially since after this past april fools quest, it's arguably safe to say the the hero has now quite literally seen pretty much everything.....
DF  Post #: 36
4/20/2017 14:08:33   
MarchingToApril
Member

@^: I wouldn't say everything but, yep, the Hero's seen a lot. Call the Hero hero, hero of Lore, Hero of Lore or whatever, no matter what anyone decides to call 'em, "Needs-a-Therapist" will pretty much work as a title for 'em every time.
Post #: 37
4/20/2017 14:12:34   
dragon_monster
Member

I hope with the heroes saga we can make an replacement for the hero because if we do not have one well something else will appear before the hero it was Seppy before he became what he is now which is not a bad replacement but hen after we where having a cold for 5 years the Rose appeared which is not such a good thing to fill the void but its in the right directions as not all the eggs are in one basket to put this analogy. With more heroes to do what the hero does we prepare for the future.
Also when I am thinking about that guild of heroes from the shapless empire I am thinking like a Fairy Tale one in organization.
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 38
4/20/2017 15:03:31   
FriendOfAFriend
Member

You don't just 'make' a replacement for the Hero. Hell, our Hero is nigh irreplaceable at this point.

We can fill the void when they leave/retire, but replace entirely? Our best bet atm is Ash.
Post #: 39
4/20/2017 15:15:19   
dragon_monster
Member

He does not want to he mostly protects Falconreach like the city full of adventurers and the guardians need him. Really curious why he is so small scale but this is for the future.
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 40
4/20/2017 16:00:42   
FriendOfAFriend
Member

quote:

He does not want to


Glad you asked him :L
Post #: 41
4/20/2017 16:12:16   
dragon_monster
Member

So really after we know that the hero is way to humble to do that you expect the hero to do that? It should be clear after 5 years that he does not want too. If the hero is gone who should fill the void? Not his apprentice right?

Come on now its clear he does not want too really want to sure if th hero asks Ash might do it but there is a little forcing here by appealing to his compassion and loyalty. There is a reason why he is not THE Hero.
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 42
4/20/2017 16:15:06   
FriendOfAFriend
Member

Our hero won't ask anyone to do anything, doesn't mean Ash won't take it upon himself to try.

It's not like our Hero chooses who the 'next Hero of Lore' is. We could train someone all we want and some random kid with a bucket and stick could be the next Hero. You don't just 'train' or 'make' the traits our Hero has.
Post #: 43
4/20/2017 16:17:58   
dragon_monster
Member

But he did not so its clear that he does not to want we where gone for 5 years after all.
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 44
4/20/2017 16:19:38   
FriendOfAFriend
Member

Or maybe he wasn't yet ready. :O
Post #: 45
4/20/2017 16:39:42   
dragon_monster
Member

Is anyone ready? Its not like the hero started ready at least Ash had more advantages then the hero to start with you just try. Also not ready still means not wanting with a time table.
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 46
4/20/2017 17:07:39   
SilverAngel
Member

Why do you think Ash can't be a Hero of Lore? In Book 3 Falconreach he says so himself that he tried to be a hero just like us while we were gone:
quote:

Ash: It's been a hard few years sice you've been frozen. I tried to be the best hero I could be, following your example.

who's to say that when the time arrives he won't accept the same role we have?
DF AQW  Post #: 47
4/20/2017 17:14:20   
dragon_monster
Member

What is the point anymore he is no longer younger then us and if this is the best he could be meaning protecting Falconreach well we need to mentor someone else to be what THE Hero of Lore even if their more then one person.
Maybe they could share the tile like a team. For example look an Avenger in this case look a Hero of Lore.
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 48
4/20/2017 17:24:29   
Greyor_42
Member

@dragon_monster

quote:

he is no longer younger then us

....we were only frozen for five years. ash was already MORE THAN five years younger than us when we were first frozen. how does he age more than 5 years in only 5 years? also, you keep saying he's only been working to protect falconreach all this time, but how do you know this? what proof do you have?

< Message edited by Greyor_42 -- 4/20/2017 17:25:44 >
DF  Post #: 49
4/20/2017 17:25:18   
SilverAngel
Member

I don't see what his age has to do with anything. If you're talking skill wise I have to disagree, there is no reason to think his skills can't improve even more. You should always be honing your skills, even when you think you're at your best.
Why does it have to be THE Hero of Lore, why can't it be A Hero of Lore? I don't see why there can't be multiple people running around saving Lore with the same title, it's not like it's official or anything.
DF AQW  Post #: 50
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