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11/11/2017 17:49:41   
necro emperor
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^1,000 rooms doesn't do that place justice. I've still got some PTSD from there. :/
AQ DF MQ AQW  Post #: 151
11/11/2017 17:57:02   
Tomix
Soulweaver


Congratulations to all of you who completed the challenge!
It was a test run... before we try something VERY interesting in the future!
DF  Post #: 152
11/11/2017 18:05:20   
Baron Dante
Member

@Greyor: I don't know, it might test your mind more than patience.
Not in the sense that it takes them smarts.
But in the sense that there might be no mind left.

I don't mind it though.
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 153
11/11/2017 18:23:43   
Da Awesomancer
Member

@Tomix Oh dear Avatars you're doubling it, aren't you? There isn't enough graph paper in the world for that map.
DF AQW  Post #: 154
11/11/2017 18:25:00   
Greyor_42
Member

@baron dante

quote:

But in the sense that there might be no mind left.


well, i've got nothing to worry about! after all, you can't lose what you don't got :P
DF  Post #: 155
11/11/2017 18:31:30   
Vardius
Member
 

So, we discuss elementals during the previous week, and we get an elemental dungeon in return.
Hmm...

By the way, will completed runs count towards the badge prior to its implementation?

< Message edited by Vardius -- 11/11/2017 18:33:18 >
DF  Post #: 156
11/11/2017 18:45:32   
fxmybrute13
Member

Done!

After foolishly trying to do the Huge without a map and just brain power, I finally gave up 3 hours into my first attempt after running through the same rooms over and over again. Second attempt took me about 5 hours to beat. Didn't find it necessary to map out the whole thing, just connect junction rooms, and terminate branching paths once I reached the end.

And by the looks of images uploaded, seems I had the worst luck. Oh well. At least I got the badge so I'm done with this fun nightmare.

< Message edited by fxmybrute13 -- 11/11/2017 18:48:05 >
DF AQW  Post #: 157
11/11/2017 19:13:08   
Henius Lon
Member

Done... That was... fun.

I kinda wanna frame it.
AQ DF AQW  Post #: 158
11/11/2017 20:01:55   
Greyor_42
Member

^hm. my map is a bit different than yours(i don't mean the layout, that's a given). while you did a line, i do it by crossing out boxes(one diagonal line to represent the fact that i've gone through a path, and in the case of split paths, two to mark the fact that i backtracked to where the two paths originated to say that the first path is no good).
DF  Post #: 159
11/11/2017 20:29:24   
MaligKnight
Member

I must admit, i never thought i'd hate elementals until now.
DF AQW  Post #: 160
11/11/2017 20:42:30   
Axpower
Member

The bacon element, at least to me, feels kind of... out of place?

I like the ebil idea, but what about silver? I don't think we have many (or any) lvl 85 silver weapons. Also it kind of fits the the"paragon" aspect, since silver is a symbol of elegance/excellence.

Just my two cents :)

EDIT: Just remembered the Spear of Lumina and Mooncaller Scimitar... But still!

< Message edited by Axpower -- 11/11/2017 20:53:36 >
DF  Post #: 161
11/11/2017 20:58:48   
Greyor_42
Member

@axpower


silver definitely doesn't make sense, since Necro Paragons are soldiers in Dage's legion of evil, who all either use indead, ARE undead themselves, or both. silver is effectively poison to them, so them using a silver weapon would be weird.

ebil can at least be headcannoned to that particular necro paragon defecting from dage and allying with zorbak. and bacon is kind of the ultimate placeholder element aside from ???, you can realistically see any class utilizing either of those two elements.
DF  Post #: 162
11/11/2017 21:14:34   
Axpower
Member

@greyor

Ah I see. I didn't know silver directly hurt undead. I thought that was just werewolves... Perhaps it could be headcanoned by them using silver to control the undead (Kind of like how DmK v2 corruption hits undead really hard)?

"Paragon derives from the Old Italian word paragone, which literally means "touchstone." A touchstone is a black stone that was formerly used to judge the purity of gold or silver." The etymology behind the word is why I suggested silver. My bad.

But bacon just seems weird. I can see why chickencows use bacon, but Necro Paragon soldiers? Maybe ??? would even be a good alternative.
DF  Post #: 163
11/11/2017 21:42:46   
Henius Lon
Member

I still think either make it Evil and change Dreadwyrm Katana to metal or silver OR make it switchable between Ice and Evil. Those two really fit it for me. Ebil always felt like a joke element to me, even more so than bacon.
AQ DF AQW  Post #: 164
11/11/2017 21:54:29   
Baron Dante
Member

It's not really good form to go and change the elements of released weapons. At the time the elements were changed on the Soulblade, no one had it, so it was still doable.
Especially since one of the items is non-DA, and one is not. The non-DA players would get shafted out of an Evil element weapon.
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 165
11/11/2017 22:30:42   
PurgeXZ
Member

So...
I'm trying to play the huge one.

40 or 50 rooms in and I already want to die. This is the cruelest thing AE has ever put in DragonFable.
Post #: 166
11/11/2017 22:59:13   
Cherubic Card
Member

I didn't think of it at the time, but one element that would work well, and be more thematic, would be disease.
Post #: 167
11/11/2017 23:10:18   
Snakezarr
Member

I kinda lost all drive to finish when it was changed from ice to bacon. Bacon just isn't a very useful element compared to ice.
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 168
11/11/2017 23:38:26   
admahu
Member
 

Terrible luck, I ended up doing 986 rooms before finding the boss. And, seeing 549,191 Exp and 20,256 Gold on the completion screen was a bit funny. It took forever and my emotions ranged quite a bit, but overall I would say it was fun.

edit: Oh, but I don't look forward to doing it on my other 2 characters

< Message edited by admahu -- 11/11/2017 23:59:27 >
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 169
11/11/2017 23:53:57   
megakyle777
Member

Ok, I am ALL up for 1000 room dungeons, but if you are going to be that evil staff we need a in game map in all such dungeons ((Including this one added in later), even if it just shows places you already discovered so you don't repeat. That's a lot of drawing to not get lost. DX

And preferably add it to all other dungeons too so I can look at the 100 room dungeon's descriptions of no map and it being the biggest in game dungeon and laugh.

Also save points need to work like checkpints in the larger dungeons. Because getting to the 999th room and losing all that progress to a Mimic? Not fun.

< Message edited by megakyle777 -- 11/11/2017 23:59:12 >
DF  Post #: 170
11/12/2017 2:12:08   
Gold
Member

My strategy of using the Fill Colour function of Excel to keep track of my progress almost worked; I think I just filled in too many cells at once and kept losing track. I'll try it again tomorrow.

_____________________________

I am Gold, for I am many.
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 171
11/12/2017 2:17:25   
Emrys
Member

For anyone wondering just how big the 1000 room dungeon is, this might give some idea. And that's just 498 rooms of it. Wrote a little NetLogo program to help me keep track.

I did it though! And thankfully only had to go through half. What a challenge! Really fun stuff, feels nice to have conquered it.
DF MQ AQW  Post #: 172
11/12/2017 2:34:07   
Henius Lon
Member

@Emrys care to share that program? If possible? looks great!
AQ DF AQW  Post #: 173
11/12/2017 2:38:17   
Holyemperor
Member

Oh, I had completed the Huge Timetorn Matrix without trying to draw a map of the areas I had covered; I had only gotten lost twice. ;D
Post #: 174
11/12/2017 3:42:15   
Xgya
Member
 

One thing I must say is that the Doomed Scythe of Elementals has made these runs of a huge and then medium dungeon MUCH, MUCH, MUCH (et al.) faster than otherwise.

Having an adaptable weapon for every fight was a straight up boon.

Using the eternally-resourceful Rage Dragonlord, the dungeons weren't challenges as much as time-wasters.
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