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8/6/2018 19:19:54   
  Battle Elf
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Tech Mage Balance Discussion Thread
This is where you can discuss everything balance related to the Tech Mage class.
Got a skill that doesn't fit? Perhaps a combo that proves to be too strong and abusable. Discuss it here with everyone!

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    < Message edited by Battle Elf -- 8/6/2018 23:43:31 >
  • AQW Epic  Post #: 1
    8/6/2018 19:29:18   
    .Lord Ginger.

    Tech mage focus is pretty dead right now, which is unfortunate.

    Malfunction with Str builds is a huge problem. The scaling needs to be nerfed so that focus is better and str isn't as good (it's stat spammable) We also need a better bolt and supercharge to make TM more viable. It needs to hit hard to compensate for it's lack of heal regeneration and 2 turn wasting stealing and getting back energy.
    AQW Epic  Post #: 2
    8/7/2018 14:02:20   

    I also posted it in the Tactical Mercernary thread with some more rationale, but I'll post it briefly here, too, since it is the Tech Mage thread. Super Charge scaling should be brought up from 1 damage every 0.5 Tech to every 0.35 Tech. At 120 Tech, this would be about a 100 damage increase.

    Bolt right now is already very strong; stronger than it was before it was nerfed. I'm not sure a buff to that is that necessary at the moment, to be honest, especially to prevent Tech caster from becoming too powerful.

    I think moving the Strength requirement on Malfuntion to Tech or Support would make sense at this point. Having it on Strength makes zero sense now, now that Strength is the primary user of the skill these days.
    AQW Epic  Post #: 3
    8/8/2018 9:35:16   
    .Lord Ginger.

    I feel like the tech mage supercharge has to be enough damage to be better than the surgical in terms of damage for sure because of the 50% rage decrease that the tactical has.

    Supercharge should be able to do a hefty amount of damage more than surgical imo to help balance it in terms of damage.

    I do not see a use for plasma bolt at a focus level though, and I think that is a problem, maybe it's because supercharge is not that great and they can't link together because malfunction is also too good to leave behind.

    EDIT: The tech mage supercharge in my opinion will in no way be better than the 50% rage decrease that tactical has unless the damage increase is pretty significant... Especially since tech mage is probably the most underwhelming class for focus (CH isn't that great) right now.

    Tech TM may become a thing but, hopefully that can be in check with other builds and not be too powerful.

    < Message edited by .Lord Ginger. -- 8/8/2018 22:25:19 >
    AQW Epic  Post #: 4
    8/10/2018 19:48:05   
    .Lord Ginger.

    I think both of these skills need to be nerfed a bit, especially the 35% on supercharge. Maybe back to 20% or something and nerf the supercharge a bit, maybe not ridiculous, but the defense ignore being that high with the damage is a bit much against focus/caster builds.

    < Message edited by .Lord Ginger. -- 8/10/2018 20:15:25 >
    AQW Epic  Post #: 5
    8/10/2018 19:52:40   

    This is like Supercharge in Alpha, so broken
    Epic  Post #: 6
    8/10/2018 20:15:59   

    Yep, Supercharge completely broken. Bolt too. Both Supercharge and Surgical should be taken down to .35 Tech scaling, honestly. And yeah, 35% is too much. For God's sake, Crit is only 30%.

    < Message edited by NDB -- 8/10/2018 20:34:58 >
    AQW Epic  Post #: 7
    8/10/2018 20:35:12   
    .Lord Ginger.

    Yea, I think the defense ignore is a bit much.
    AQW Epic  Post #: 8
    8/10/2018 20:46:05   

    By changing the scaling from 0.5 to 0.3, with 150 Tech, Super Charge just got 200 damage stronger. Coupled with the 5% defense ignore buff and what happened is Level 1 Super Charge is basically just as strong as it was before at Max. That simply just isn't right. Surgical was already overpowered earlier and now Super Charge is the same thing plus 35% defense ignore. I think its pointless to say too much at this point though. The message should already be pretty clear... things need to be fixed ASAP.
    AQW Epic  Post #: 9
    8/10/2018 20:48:08   
    .Lord Ginger.

    I think it should still be stronger than surgical.

    I think if other classes get skills that are good too it would help. Classes seem to be TM and BM right now.

    Edit: I like bolt being good but... oof. Maybe a bit too good

    < Message edited by .Lord Ginger. -- 8/10/2018 20:51:23 >
    AQW Epic  Post #: 10
    8/10/2018 21:03:40   

    Yeah, bolt just got about 100 damage stronger than it would have been before with 150 Tech. Maybe something simple like a 20-30 increase in base damage would have been more reasonable...
    AQW Epic  Post #: 11
    8/10/2018 22:09:19   
    .Lord Ginger.

    Update: tech mage focus seems kind of balanced to me, at least against strength builds. It's the 35% defense ignore that gets me.

    But I think the main problem is a Tech TM if you want to go there with me. The supercharge is 1k damage and ignores 35%, thats an 800 damage attack at least. And with good defense and a rage bolt ready, that's tough.

    As a foc I gotta be ready to heal and then I take more damage than a tank so I use more energy so I can't do a super strong super.

    < Message edited by .Lord Ginger. -- 8/10/2018 22:10:30 >
    AQW Epic  Post #: 12
    8/11/2018 8:53:52   

    Supercharge also doesnt seem to be affected much by Malfunction, i have it Maxed out and when i use it i think that i will see a decent damage decrease but it's still ridiculously high
    Epic  Post #: 13
    8/11/2018 9:13:22   
    .Lord Ginger.

    Defense ignore is 35%. The damage reduction is high though.
    AQW Epic  Post #: 14
    8/11/2018 19:23:37   

    lol, it is impressive how everybody here suddenly is better balancer than rabble or nightwraith. plasma and supercharge is in fact a bit strong now but some builds is countering that..
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