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7/18/2026 3:52:17

Laeon val Observis
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Friday, July 17, 2026
Book 4: Twinned Doom - The Plain Truth
Hey there, heroes!

This week, Book 4's main story continues!

After a Shadowsycthe assassin interrupted Mihyun's address to the nobles of Swordhaven, you and Queen Victoria have a lot of questions for her. What is she hiding? Why did the assassin target her? When the truth is finally revealed, where will your adventures take you next?

Head over to Queen Victoria in Bk3/4 Swordhaven to find out in this week's quest: The Plain Truth!

Also this week, a new cosmetic helm is available for Dragon Coins!

The Bright Guard helm is available from the DC Cosmetics shop for 300 Dragon Coins.

There certainly seem to be a lot of Deadlands themed releases this month... It's quite the coincidence!

And that's all for this week!

AQW

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7/18/2026 8:42:15

Flabagast
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More Book 4 let's gooooo

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This one was packed! As we suspected, Mihyun's mother is the Hyonite leader. And it seems the lands of Lore are as mysterious and fantastical to the Plains as they are to us, funny that.

And yes Notha, I too am also very excited that we're seeing the Plains for ourselves, and no doubt there will be much to glean about the Exalted, Aequilibria, the Avatars, the Great Dragons, and much more. I'm sure Warlic, Jaania and Alexander will understand if we take some time to see the sights, meet the people and learn the history; all without starting any inter-dimensional wars in the process! :D

And I almost laughed when the Hero asked if Neso disappearing on the Hyonites was a recent occurrence, I was thinking that exact same thing. Super glad the events of the Malerous saga didn't leave an entire race of people with out their magic o_o'''''

Speaking of, it makes sense that their water crystals would make them such a target for the other elemental factions. I'm guessing anyone could theoretically use them to channel powerful water magic regardless of their own elemental affinity, which would be invaluable in an environment like the Plains.

And of course, the Shadowscythe spying on them on top of everything else... From what we know about them, they presumably inhabit the Darkness Plains, but I suspect their operations in the Plains in general are much more intricate and widespread, if they were so easily able to send an assassin to follow Mihyun.

Very keen on Book 4's story so far, looking forward to seeing more!

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7/19/2026 4:11:57

Sumbrosus
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This was a fun little jaunt through the Deadlands. ^_^
I wonder whether the rains will bring them back to life, if only a little...
(As a matter of fact, I really hope they will.)

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It's interesting to see the difference in Mihyun's attitude towards elementals as opposed to her own people... I wonder what their relationship is.

Notha's little bombshell, that Aequilibria came from beyond the Plains (from beyond the Wastes?) makes me wonder how far we'll be going, and what we'll discover out there.
Mihyun named some factions, which I'm sure will put in an appearance sooner or later -- but first, we need to have a wee little chat with the queen. I hope it goes peacefully for a change of pace. Fingers crossed![/quote]

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7/23/2026 23:14:59

Vaalirus
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Hard to believe we're here so soon

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I did not expect us to go back to the Plains so soon but I'm not complaining and if it helps us solve this water elemental incursion sooner than all the better. Furthermore, I must admit I'm curious as to what Neso and Hyonix were feuding over in the Plains so badly that she would have cursed an entire people to no longer be able to cast water magic itself. My suspicions tell me that it could have been around the time Kathool broke free from their prison initially and thus enslaving the water elves on Lore and so they may have been fighting over what to do about them. Regardless, it's pretty cruel of Neso to remove their magic and I wonder how the lands that still held her protection are holding up without her presence.

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And of course, the Shadowscythe spying on them on top of everything else... From what we know about them, they presumably inhabit the Darkness Plains, but I suspect their operations in the Plains in general are much more intricate and widespread, if they were so easily able to send an assassin to follow Mihyun.

If there are multiple Water Plains then perhaps there are also numerous Darkness Plains for them to safely hide from Voidstar's core sphere of influence as well as protect themselves from the other elements within the entirety of the Elemental Plains itself. Though I suspect they might also be hiding and operating in areas such as the Wastes.

< Message edited by Vaalirus -- 7/23/2026 23:16:28 >

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7/26/2026 15:42:16

Bluu
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Just caught up with many of the recent releases and I've been liking them so far :)

Mihyun being a little stupid is very funny to me, but I also really like her design and animations. I just wish she had a skill like Konnan's that allowed her to deal non-water damage, since as it stands, she cannot use her best skills. Aquella's trident also has a weakness-seeking property so I'm not sure why this feature was not included for Mihyun. It's also nice that there are so many new guests with Aquella, Mihyun, and Fae. I did want to point out though that the Alz'ein and Nirios guest (Master of Puppets) says that he inflicts -20 All, when he actually inflicts -15.

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And I almost laughed when the Hero asked if Neso disappearing on the Hyonites was a recent occurrence, I was thinking that exact same thing. Super glad the events of the Malerous saga didn't leave an entire race of people with out their magic o_o'''''
Yeah, I think it's really silly how the actual consequences of Myalos nuking the Avatars were never mentioned. Fortunately, I have a feeling that Notha, Lock, and Key can actually help them restore their former glory in Neso's dormancy. That might actually be what ends the conflict and causes the Hyonites to withdraw.

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And of course, the Shadowscythe spying on them on top of everything else... From what we know about them, they presumably inhabit the Darkness Plains, but I suspect their operations in the Plains in general are much more intricate and widespread, if they were so easily able to send an assassin to follow Mihyun.

I don't think this is the case. Voidstar explicitly corrects the other Avatars in the Firmament that Darkness and Shadowscythe are not the same. Although it's easy to make the mistake, seeing as to how the AQW Voice in the Sea story mentions Aquella's race being attacked by a colossal Darkness Elemental. When you find half of its corpse, though, it's clearly some kind of Doom Spirit. So I guess lots of characters also don't make the distinction immediately. I always assumed that Doom Spirits were from space, perhaps existing as warped remnants of Valoth's Shadowscythe (the purple aesthetic).

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Mihyun named some factions
Yeah this part was really interesting. One of the factions mentioned was that of the Unifier Kinnar from one of the recent inn releases. From all we know, Kinnar trained to be a Dragonlord but wasn't very good at it, so he instead chose to unify his people and bring peace to his lands. I guess his hands thirst for the scent of Hyonite blood, though.

Edit: While it isn't related to the subject, I would greatly love to see Lord Brentan from AQW in DF. He's genuinely one of the best characters in that game and since DF seems to be dabbling in the pool of Swordhaven royals controlling the kingdom in secrecy (which Victoria hates), I would like to know if Brentan exists outside of the AQW canon and, if he does, how he would be like in a pre-AQW world. He's tragic and complex but also a genuinely good human being and I think he would fit right into what the last Christmas release painted Dragonfable out to be; a gentle world that could heal the wounds of the most evil and the most corrupt. Ironically, even Sepulchure seemed to be affected by this nature of Lore, as his love for Gravelyn was what turned him into such a sympathetic character despite it being rather awkward that a genocidal warlord was just absolved of his crimes in your eyes because you were cool with his kid lol

I also really wanna know what happens in the Twilly/Celestia plotline, that quest was really sweet and heartwarming. I love Lady Celestia and have an OC based on her, and I'm glad she's getting so much attention even posthumously, what with also the Elysia quest from a year or two ago.

< Message edited by Bluu -- 7/26/2026 21:32:31 >

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7/27/2026 8:23:30

Flabagast
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@Bluu

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Yeah, I think it's really silly how the actual consequences of Myalos nuking the Avatars were never mentioned. Fortunately, I have a feeling that Notha, Lock, and Key can actually help them restore their former glory in Neso's dormancy. That might actually be what ends the conflict and causes the Hyonites to withdraw.

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I suspect the Hyonites' situation may be the exception when it comes to the current state of the Avatars and the consequences that will have had on the rest of the Plains. If the Avatars are indeed the primary source of Elemental magic in the Plains, then their absence would be much more severely felt by the other factions that had better relationships with their respective Avatars. If that were the case, then the Hyonites might actually be the lucky ones in this scenario, and might further explain why the other factions are so desperate for their crystals. At this stage though, we can only speculate how dependent the denizens of the Plains were on the Avatars, and what it will mean for them now that they're out of commission.

As for Lock and Key, it would sure be nice if they could bring stability to the Plains in the form of a new-and-improved (less petty) pantheon of Avatars, but who knows if and when that will happen? Regardless I agree that they will likely play a substatial role in the story.

@Vaalirus

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If there are multiple Water Plains then perhaps there are also numerous Darkness Plains for them to safely hide from Voidstar's core sphere of influence as well as protect themselves from the other elements within the entirety of the Elemental Plains itself. Though I suspect they might also be hiding and operating in areas such as the Wastes.

@Bluu

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I don't think this is the case. Voidstar explicitly corrects the other Avatars in the Firmament that Darkness and Shadowscythe are not the same.

Oh I'm very well aware of the difference; in fact that's why I suspect their influence is much wider than any other faction. Like Vaalirus, I believe they hide in at least one of the Darkness Plains as Doom Spirits, though they may not be native to them. I assume they spread their influence elsewhere by either binding to other entities/objects or corrupting them, similarly to how they exist on Lore.

I do think that the Shadowscythe are older than the Plains and may even predate Aequilibria themselves, (they are pre-Reset afterall as you've mentioned) and are thus much more privy to working in the (metaphorical) shadows more than anything.

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7/27/2026 9:22:53

Bluu
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Yeah it seems that Doom Spirits tend to associate with Darkness due to them being hurt by the Light. As such, they probably don't associate with Fire or Energy much either apart from having their own corrupted versions of those elements, but Water seems like a natural partner given how much of it is pitch black due to the Light being refracted away.

According to what seems to be both AQW and DF lore, they're rather weak in their default states, which is why they have to possess weapons and corpses in order to survive, as the Mysterious Stranger confirms in the finale of Book 1. Even so, the two Doom Spirits we've interacted with, Caitiff and the Mysterious Stranger, happened to be the weakest of the bunch. Kathool even says as much when turning Caitiff inside out while it was dormant. So given the title of Book 4 as Twinned Doom really does not bode well if it means that we have to face a much worse threat than Caitiff and Sepulchure.

I guess Sinnocence was a Doom Spirit too, or rather an amalgamation of multiple Doom and Destiny Spirits. This is the only Doom Spirit we know that is associated with Light but that might actually serve to counterbalance the Doom in addition to his fragile mental state. He was just nuked into oblivion by Notha whom we know to be very powerful and adjacent to Doom Spirits herself.

I'm not sure if Mr. Nameless and Voyna count as Doom Spirits, but Mr. Nameless did seem to dabble in Darkness and Ice magic, whereas Voyna wielded Darkness and Fire. Voyna is a special case because The Whisper she carried in her crown were a different kind of Doom of sorts? It didn't seem corruptive in any way, rather a means to an end, which is what Sepulchure's armor was supposed to be. I don't think the other Maleurous are associated with Doom itself but its implications. Caitiff used various elements as afterimages of her studies, but Sepulchure stuck to Darkness. So I guess they all just use Darkness because it's comfortable to them rather than only having an affinity for it, whereas we haven't seen other Elemental monsters using elements not native to their home.

Edit: Err, I just remembered the Old Man of the Mountain and the Wastes, who does use elements that aren't Stone. Even if they're part of the Dragonlord skillset, I think it still counts. So perhaps elementals can cast spells from non-native elements if they wanted. I wouldn't count Mihyun because she's not quite an elemental and her only source of Nature damage is her wooden staff.

As for the Avatars and the case of the Hyonites being a special one, I can see the argument. The Maleurous Saga did really try to force down our throats that the Avatars were bad in order to make Notha look good, but outside of the Neso/Hyonix conflict, we see next-to-nothing about them actually being that bad. The Storm War was a bad look but it's completely reasonable for them to see Nythera as a threat given that Warlic could solo them combined and she had just killed him and threatened them next. Outside of that, they seemed selfish and disagreeable on a personal level, but none of this is enough to warrant someone's death. So maybe this wasn't some isolated incident and the Avatars did antagonize the members of their planes often which earned Notha's ire - I mean her sob story in Iconoclasm cannot be her only justification for wanting them eradicated.

Also we forgot Fluffy Jr., who would probably be the greatest help to us right now lmfao

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7/31/2026 8:39:24

Flabagast
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@Bluu

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Even so, the two Doom Spirits we've interacted with, Caitiff and the Mysterious Stranger, happened to be the weakest of the bunch.

Caitiff was a lesser Doom Spirit yes, but it referred to the Mysterious Stranger as the "Elder One", and judging by how many of their kin they carried as Doom Weapons, I think its fair to say the Mysterious Stranger was definitely one of the older, more powerful ones.

We also know of Patroclus, from the Never Apart Inn challenge, but there's only so much we can glean from that.

And as you've said, the Malerous were unique cases. Whatever Voyna was bonded with seemed to have power over Doom, but as of now we still don't know if 'The Whisper' shares any motivations with the Shadowscythe.

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Also we forgot Fluffy Jr., who would probably be the greatest help to us right now lmfao

...Oh yeah. I guess Lock and Key have the new Saviour egg in storage too? We sure are putting a lot of trust in them to hold such cosmically important beings...

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