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12/17/2012 19:52:09   
  Exploding Penguin
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 I understand that when Omega comes, pretty much all players will be given the chance to have equal strength in PvP, including credit players. While this is great because varium players overpowered credit players extremely, I feel varium players should still get some benefits other than just shortcutting from credit farming to gain certain privileges. I'm thinking that hopefully Omega will be like beta/gamma before enhancements, where varium equipment had around a +3 extra stat modifier when compared to credit weapons. This way, varium players would gain a slight advantage other than shortcutting when fighting credit players, but it won't be so strong as to make varium players unstoppable when fighting credit players. Does anyone feel that something like this should be done so that the gap between the 2 player types shrinks, but isn't totally removed?
Epic  Post #: 1
12/17/2012 19:56:47   
The Astral Fury
Member

This is true alot of players have spent hundreds if not thousand of dollars on this game, why to become better then the non' varuim, to become stronger and use your build more efficently and get more win's of course. So what we've paided this much money and now all of that's wasted it seems unfair.
DF AQW  Post #: 2
12/17/2012 20:00:41   
Mother1
Member

@ exploding

Off topic

This thread will be split down the middle with variums agreeing and Non variums disagreeing

On topic

We still go get an advantage in battle. Promo's weapon specials that are exclusively for us, and promo bots that won't be available to non variums. There is our power right there. But at the same time it does kind of feel like Varium players will be taking a nerf like support did as well as Static charge.

< Message edited by Mother1 -- 12/17/2012 20:02:22 >
Epic  Post #: 3
12/17/2012 20:12:15   
The Astral Fury
Member

I spent 7654 (Not how much I've spent, but alot of people spend this much) dollars on varuim why so I can win more, become stronger and so I can use my build effeicently. Oh look now free credit players who haven't spent anything can just be as powerfulas people who have spent hundreds and thousand of dollars on the game thats isn't fair to the people who have supported you and kept the game running spentding lot's of money whereas free players don't support the game (Money wise) and now they have a free chance to beat us not fair.

< Message edited by The Astral Fury -- 12/17/2012 20:16:36 >
DF AQW  Post #: 4
12/17/2012 20:18:49   
Nexus...
Member

If you have ever played any other MMO or other game in general, of any genre, ever, you would know that it is rather common for developers to change things around in terms of pricing. I am a Varium player, I got my advantage when there was one to get, and now I am losing that advantage so the game as a whole can grow. I have no problem with this as long as the game DOES get better. You look at SWOTOR, HoN, any of those games, and you will see they had a P2P model for a while, which then changed to F2P. EpicDuel was never P2P, but it was (in my mind) pay to win, and now that is changing and winning will no longer be determined by how much money you spend per month, but rather how skilled you are in combat. This is a good thing, not a bad thing, don't be selfish....and to remind you, this is coming from someone who has paid for this game regularly.


Prophet
Epic  Post #: 5
12/17/2012 20:23:11   
The Astral Fury
Member

I'm not saying it's a bad thing, but alot of us have spent alot of money and non- varuim have spent none and now they get to be just as powerful, while we have supported the game the most it's not fair. I wouldn't have spent any varuim if I new I could be just as powerul.
DF AQW  Post #: 6
12/17/2012 20:25:50   
altimatum
Member
 

 we all got a really big edge with varium up until omega. I think this is a step in the right direction for ED as it will be open for more types of players rather than just elitists.
Post #: 7
12/17/2012 20:29:01   
The Astral Fury
Member

So much money though we support the game the most and now they can be just as powerful (not trying to sound mean) Without buying varuim ED would might not be around.

< Message edited by The Astral Fury -- 12/17/2012 20:30:38 >
DF AQW  Post #: 8
12/17/2012 21:01:43   
Yo son
Member

I mad, at the same time am not :D

before i had to spend like 100-150 dollars a month just so i can compete with other varium players, now I dont have to spend money like that; with that said, I think alot of non varium players are in a way disrespectful to vaRIUM PAYING PLAYERS, there was a thread that was named "How do you define a pro" and some players said it was players who got paid whi are pro, well its non varium players who are pro, varium players pay for them to play, but yet you still hear things like varium noob, lazy slob wtc... I mean like lol, seriously.
Post #: 9
12/17/2012 21:05:37   
TRizZzCENTRINO
Member

i have seen lots of threads about how varium players get unhappy when they have a non var partner with the weak non var weapons and that you are losing everytime because of this, and the time that some said that the game is getting boring because they basically win everytime when they meet a non var in 1v1, now the staff got us what we wanted and we should appreciate that the staff actually listens to us and are having a huge risk of making this wonderful change.

also as some of you said, we do not need to spend $50 every month or two and watching it getting dumped down the drain because another new powerful promo comes monthly.

< Message edited by TRizZzCENTRINO -- 12/17/2012 21:38:20 >

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MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 10
12/17/2012 21:07:58   
Yo son
Member

@above
every one asks for change, but when change actually comes no one wants it.

< Message edited by Yo son -- 12/17/2012 21:10:33 >
Post #: 11
12/17/2012 21:17:27   
Nexus...
Member

TrizZ you are the reason why threads like this get closed. We are having a reasonable, mature, and respectful discussion, if you can't adhere to such guidelines than leave. I agree with you (read my post), but there is no reason to flame people or be anti-social about it.


@Yo Son
Wise words.



Prophet
Epic  Post #: 12
12/17/2012 21:23:49   
Jekyll
Member

I fully agree with you, Nexus. Like it or not, this is the direction the game is moving towards. The Darwinian theory suggests survival of the fittest through evolution; omega will be the phase which distinguishes the contenders from the pretenders. Good that the gap is closing.
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 13
12/17/2012 21:34:48   
The Astral Fury
Member

Were all smart intelligent people I can tell by your writing. Now I love that now varuims have the same chance, but because of the money thing it's like you spent all this money to be good and now people who haven't spent a dime get to be just as powerful as the people who have supported and kept this game up and runnig and they get a fair chance to kill them. I'm not trying to be mean i want them to have a fair chance and I'm happy they are, but the money issue you must see my reasonning. We paid to win and play it's true if your not varuim it dosen't mean your a bad player, but you'll have a pretty big disadvantage and you'll lose alot, and they are alot of non varuim who are very good, but the average free players lose alot, why because they don't spend lot's of money on a game like we do. We kinda did paid to play in that sense.

I do want every one to have a fair chance don't get me wrong I want it to happend and I'm glad it is, the reason I'm rebelling is the money thing.

< Message edited by The Astral Fury -- 12/17/2012 21:39:23 >
DF AQW  Post #: 14
12/17/2012 21:41:14   
Mother1
Member

@ astral

While I can relate to you do you even know why some became varium? So they wouldn't be the punching bags of other varium players not to get better. I am willing to be if this gap wasn't here in the first place more then half of the varium community would still be non variums since they could compete with out. Also how is this fair to non variums? I want a challenge from them not to have them feel like they stand no chance because it is like a ant trying to fight a dinosaur.

While at first i paid and/earned to keep up, now I will do it so I can get the cool things non variums can't. For me it is the bots since they are boss. While I am hurt that my power is getting nerfed I am happy that I can still get the perfs varium players can get while getting a decent challenge from non variums. That is what it is about.
Epic  Post #: 15
12/17/2012 21:43:31   
Vypie
Member

This is not directed at anyone, but some thoughts about all these money related issues people are talking about:

People who have bought varium knew their items were going to become outdated, and eventually, even weaker than new credit items.

Items get outdated all the time, becoming worthless compared to new ones.
Varium players would have to buy these new weapons to stay competitive. And even thought they became worthless, I don't see anyone asking for a refund. "I paid for this game, I should have advantages".
Yes, you got the advantages, not long term advantages. You did benefit from the varium perks.
You did NOT buy a certificate stating you have privileges.

Now, the game is going to change, and you expect advantages for yourself because you have paid in the past? All these changes do not affect in ANY WAY the varium you bough before to boost your character!

IF YOU KNEW the game was going to change to this two years before, would you have bought varium? Yes, if you wanted to have a boost during that time! No, if you wanted to have no advantage and get beaten more easily.
That was a choice. Because it is going to change it doesn't mean what you spent was worthless.


Really, Think about it! Weapons and items got outdated all the time! Omega just brings a new "Outdate" in a different way.
Would you have preferred if they released New weapons, poweful enough to make your current ones worthless and weak?
Seems to me people would rather PAY too much to have an advantage in an UNbalanced game, instead of wanting the game to be better and more FUN. Be glad you don't even have to spend money replace your current weapons.
For once and for all, you should want to use your skill instead of your money... A fun game is a game played on equal fields.

Stop complaining about the varium gap, refunds and everything. Just Wait for omega, and enjoy it! Just accept the changes, if you want the game to become better. :)
There will be special things for Paying players, like Promos, with special weapon skills, which will allow greater customization to one's build.

Please understand that the Epicduel team is doing their best, they will make the changes needed to this game, for the good of their players and the game itself.
The way varium worked was making the game unappealing for many. It was stopping the game's growth because of the lack of balance.

Worried they wont make so much money? A game that does not grow loses money. More players mean more potential buyers. If Varium items don't get outdated so fast, people might feel okay to buy stuff, knowing it wont go to waste in a few months.


Some players want the varium gap to stay, because they are afraid the game becomes much more difficult to them. Learn, and adapt. It will be fun!
Some want it because they would feel ripped off, but the truth is, they paid and they got exactly what they have paid.

< Message edited by Vypie -- 12/17/2012 21:44:47 >
Epic  Post #: 16
12/17/2012 21:44:59   
The Astral Fury
Member

Mother1 Ya thats why I was trying to imply to we did not just upgrade to become, but yes as you say to stop being the punchingh bags of varuim players. It's just the money thing I think is unfair you know what I mean? But I want the gap to close though I really do I want every player to have a fair chance, again it's the money thing I think is un noticed and don't go saying "Argh we'll you paid to be powerful at the time" No it dosen't work like that.

< Message edited by The Astral Fury -- 12/17/2012 21:47:07 >
DF AQW  Post #: 17
12/17/2012 21:46:47   
Jekyll
Member

I think the point most people are missing is that the role of Varium is changing with Omega. Previously, Varium was probably the only way for players to remain competitive - you become more powerful than other players in a shorter period of time. Now, Varium is the 'speed-boost' - you can become as powerful as others, but in a shorter period of time.

I would really like to compare this to other AE games, where F2Ps can do just as well. However, I refrain from doing so because EpicDuel is a PvP game functioning on different mechanics as compared to other AE games.
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 18
12/17/2012 21:48:53   
TRizZzCENTRINO
Member

@nexus oh yeah i forgot that my words are sounding more like flaming words, so yeah i edited them. anyways like what yo son said we all want changes in the game but what makes it so frustrating is that once the change is made for the better, we either not like it or saying that the change is not what we wanted, for me this is the best change so far since it will rely on more strategy and not who has the most powerful weapons or ridiculous health and strength, and saving us lots of money because like i said in other threads before with the coming omega phase 10k varium will last up to 6 months in the least if you spend it wisely.

< Message edited by TRizZzCENTRINO -- 12/17/2012 21:51:34 >
MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 19
12/17/2012 21:50:16   
Betabot.
Member

Firstly, Varium was meant to be a shortcut to buying items and giving a small advantage over non-varium players. The Devs' even said this in one of their design notes. So really this phase update is putting things right.
Epic  Post #: 20
12/17/2012 21:51:21   
xxmirxx
Member
 

 First I agree with you nexus about Trizz second I disagree with you Yo son not everyone want to have 50/50 chance of winning against non varium only time people made point about non varium having fighting chance was in gamma phase cause they were just as annoy.
When the non varium had 20 percent chance of winning in match now this change is going to far for one people who have pay for varium expect to have 70 percent chance of winning match against non varium not 50 percent.

This new update is just like agility but what makes this worst is cause when u want upgrade your weapon now you can only do 40 percent not 100 percent second thing why this update is worst then agility is that you do have limit on hp built even lower then before cause make way each stat point worth to for HP and energy so there for you got make lower hp built to have good built.
AQ Epic  Post #: 21
12/17/2012 21:52:26   
Yo son
Member

Ask yourself this Astral, would you rather be forced to by varium or actually by it when you feel obligated to?
Post #: 22
12/17/2012 21:53:33   
The Astral Fury
Member

Even if it was meant that's not how it turned out to be, if the game was like what there doing Omega from the start I would be fine, but we've spent so much money to be strong and to stop lossing to varuim.
DF AQW  Post #: 23
12/17/2012 21:56:47   
Mother1
Member

@ astral

Think about it this way. Now you won't since Varium and non variums will be on an equal playing field. Now if you lose it is because of something in your build not a power gap.
Epic  Post #: 24
12/17/2012 21:59:26   
TRizZzCENTRINO
Member

@xxmirxx buying varium just to beat up non variums in battle is not a good way to think, i know most of the varium players buy varium just to always win in battle against the non vars but that is just wrong, F2P players are a great part of our gaming community and are especially in ED because what if they decided to leave because they can't stand us variums beating them up all the time? yes we support the game by paying but that doesn't make us any better or think that non vars deserve to lose everytime against a varium player because they don't pay.

and with the change to health you will not see much stat abusers which is a good thing, but you are saying that as if you are the one that the change is going to effect, the change is going to effect everyone and everyone is gonna be the same in stats so you do not need to worry if this guy has maxed enhanced all his weapon slots or if this guy have more stats than you. learning to adapt is what once said by most players.

< Message edited by TRizZzCENTRINO -- 12/17/2012 22:01:58 >
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