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6/14/2011 17:32:02   
Donny The Ultimate
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Well everyone has been saying mercs are over powered i completly disagree with that mercs are easier to take down then any other class,
People are saying there oped because they dont have the ability to kill a certain ''kind'' of mercenary,
Same goes with bh ''others'' are saying BH's are oped
People have also been saying mages are '''Underpowered'' mages are built well, Take me for example i fight at a 96%+ as a mage if mages are under powered i should be losing more battles but yet im winning Closely too ALL my battles, i doubt that mages are underpowered, every class has there own style of builds every build has a weakness.
I would have to say that no classes are oped or underpowered i think there all balance, like i said, (Every class has there own style of builds every build has a weakness)

< Message edited by Donny The Ultimate -- 6/14/2011 17:33:02 >

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6/14/2011 17:48:34   
Wraith
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 First of all, let me say that I agree with you.

Don't flame me on that, I have the right to have an opinion.

My current tech mage with 110 HP, beat a level 33 Tank merc with 29-35+8+1 resistance with 1 booster and 64 health left.

I actually didn't need to booster, I did it to waste a turn (Rage Aux)

My Malf of -50 really messed up his Bunker, his Surgical Strike, AND his robot. Yep, thats right.

I also beat up a support merc.

I went first, sicne I had a 20 support advantage as a result of not having the 42 dex requirement.

I malfed him, leaving him with barely any defense. He Assault Bot debuffed, and I auxed him. IDK why people say crits take away half your HP, my aux does, too! I did a 51 (Support merc need more res) and he healed. I pistoled him for 20 dmg. He auxed me and I deflected him. I striked him and critted (insane support + Azrael's Bane). He Artilleried me and I healed. I auxed him to death :D.

I also kill STR mercs.

I obviously go first, and I malfed. He ignored the malf (very stupid, 0-0+8 res?) and Mauled me. I ignored that (I still had 72hp left) and auxed him for 64. He berzerked me, leaving me on my knees. I pistoled him and he died.

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6/14/2011 17:54:10   
goldslayer1
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@lord
yup str mercs are the easiest to kill as mage
just malf aux and gun.

like i said people, stop making such a big deal about mercs.
are u sure its mercs that are OP and not the players?
u ever considered a player OP? and not the class?
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6/14/2011 18:17:50   
xxmirxx
Member
 

 goldslayer that does work like that if merc use energy wep as primary we are srcew mages can't win against that because merc would only need 3 turns to kill you. Remember merc have 40 percent chance of stun when other class have 30. Donny The Ultimate your think of 1vs1 your statement is flase to be over power class you would need to get 80 percent or higher in 2vs2 to be over power class. As far as 1vs1 goes varium mages ar good but still it takes alot of luck to get 96 or up. That would mean you get more blocks or deflection or fight players with your weakness.
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6/14/2011 18:21:53   
PivotalDisorder
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mercs are OP regardless of how many times a few people say they aren't.
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6/14/2011 18:24:29   
Donny The Ultimate
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@xxmirxx thats where ur wrong mercs might take 3 turns to kill u depending on ur build and the way u play and a 96% is possible without luck i dont need luck to win my battles im experienced enough to get a 96% without luck, my build is rock solid. and im a mage, does being a mage make me underpowered?, and how would a merc kill u in 3 moves? my resistance is high enough to take there energy attacks, strong physical attacks all i do is defence matrix ill survive long enough for the kill

< Message edited by Donny The Ultimate -- 6/14/2011 18:26:07 >
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6/14/2011 18:26:20   
Xx. Christian .xX
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u guys wana know why they always say mercs are OPed

1st thing: lots of mercy skills are kinda psyhical like:
multi
bunker
maul (energy and pyshical works)
double strike ( energy and pyshical works) but i always see pyshical weps so i considered it as a pyshical skill same as maul

2nd thing: mercy got a nice a passive skill (hybrid) thats why they nerf it

3rd thing: mercy can put lots of support and support can be used in our multi and heal

i just wish mercys hav 2 passive skills like bh ( SA AND BLOODLUST) and mage ( reroute and deadly aim)

so whose OPed now?
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6/14/2011 18:30:11   
Donny The Ultimate
Member

@reyes still not mercs just because of hybrid doesnt make them oped, and retroute and blood lust is used specificly for mages ur just asking too buff mercs
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6/14/2011 18:32:59   
Xx. Christian .xX
Member

@ donny no im just saying that mercys is not OPed i dont want them to get buff cuz im a mercy
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6/14/2011 18:37:56   
PivotalDisorder
Member

Im done with these topics now. you have a small group of delusional people who think an easy class with high win rate is the same as the others.
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6/14/2011 18:38:51   
PumKing
Member

@Donny The Ultimate, first off lol *with great derisiveness*, secondly okay, everyone knows that mercs can in fact be beat, but your post is exactly the crux of the entire mercs are oped buisiness, allow me to quote you, "I beat a merc" now, of these four words, please let me direct your attention to the third letter, 'A', mercs can be beaten, in 1v1, it can be rather difficult, but it can be done, and especially since the balancing of stats (where the more you put into it, the less return you get after like 48 points in each), which is why str mercs are the easiest kind of mercs to beat, and the LEAST seen, bh's and tm's are particularly good at beating them due to a str mercs frequent low stats (due to the fact they need to put a gratutitous ammount in str to make it most effective). But don't kid yourself on saying mercs are not oped, they are, but it is most clearly seen IN 2V2!

Why is that you ask? <--retorical question, you know why, but here comes the explanation again

It is because, mercs are the most popular class due to 3 skills, hybrid armor, bunker buster, and artillary strike. If you don't know what hybrid armor is or does, you have never played the game and I question why you are on the games forums. Hybrid armor isn't so bad really, it was made because the mercs didnt have an attack which lowered an opponents def or res, that's cool. The other two skills however have become a problem because they ignore defense, and have a chance to crit. NO ONE can contest, unless they are simply flat out lying, that these two attacks, which even when both maxed out, are a pittence to the ammount of damage that they do. You can not tell me that if you went into 2v2, and then faced a pair of mercs, which is about a 2 in 3 chance, they will both have at least one completely maxed out, and chaces will be you will be targeted first because of the stigma that tm's are weak. And after taking 2 bunkers or a bunker and a aux from a support merc that you will not need to heal up, unless you are already dead from the two hit you will have recived if one, or both were criticle strikes.

Long story short, 2v2, mercs own this arena, and come in second for 1v1, bunker buster and artillary strike are a major problem, and if you think that feild medic lost it's effectivness to heal someone for any other reason than support mercs, you are a fool.



< Message edited by PumKing -- 6/14/2011 18:42:32 >

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6/14/2011 18:46:06   
Xx. Christian .xX
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^

off topic: dang thats a long post i got lazy reading it
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6/14/2011 18:53:37   
PumKing
Member

^off topic? look at the title-->"OPed and Underpowered", I clearly defended my position that mercs are OPed, and even made an example for the person I was writing at so they could more easily imagine the setting I wrote about, you on the other hand, simply said off-topic and commented on the length of my post because you seemed to lazy to read out a rather well thought out comment. But, as I like to stimulate cranial activity, please, would you explain to me how I was off topic.

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6/14/2011 18:57:40   
Xx. Christian .xX
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off topic: no im just saying that i got lazy OFF TOPIC: doesnt mean that ur off topic the person that put off topic is the one who is not in topic (i guess)
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6/14/2011 19:17:09   
IsaiahtheMage
Member

I dont feel like starting another discussion over this. Other classes are NOT balanced I do not understand where you people are getting such inaccurate info. As I said before Mercs are Oped they have the Adv over any other class and they can easily make a good build without having to actually put effot into it unlike BH and Mages(Espiecially). Mages are the most limited and disadv class. I am going to state a few key points which I should'nt need to do in the first place becuase their so obvious.
1. Mercs have 3 Moves that ignore a % of defence and one that can have a 40% Stun Chance and 20% Ignore which no other class can have. Imbalance NOT Balance.
2. Mages we should know by now that they need a staff to use half their skill tree the other classes only need their main weapon to use 2 or 3. Again Imbalance.
3. Mages Technian skill is useful yet it can be nerfed unlike a Mercs and BH buffing skills. Imbalance.
4. Mages only have 3 physical staffs in game so far while Mercs and Bh have many good selection of Phy/Eng of their main class weapon. Imbalance. I dont need to continue anymore I can go and on and I am certain even others can go on farther then what I think is Imbalanced. To show this game is NOT Balanced. Not to mention you said YOU beat a Merc as a Mage meaning your not Uped one battle as you being a Mage beating a Merc cant be used in a discussion saying "Mages are not Uped because I beat a Merc as a Mage." You cant go by one battle.
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6/14/2011 19:20:55   
Snaipera
Member

I do not need to argue ,nor point out anything . Remember how at a certain point the Hybrid armor was reduced from 13 to 12 . Well , let's compare ...before the reduction = after the reduction . What is the reason for the reduction ? Balance . Did it work ? No . Enough said , if someone disagrees , my advice would be to get a friend to pull their head out of ...some place ... and wake up.
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6/14/2011 19:48:52   
goldslayer1
Member

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It is because, mercs are the most popular class due to 3 skills, hybrid armor, bunker buster, and artillary strike. If you don't know what hybrid armor is or does, you have never played the game and I question why you are on the games forums. Hybrid armor isn't so bad really, it was made because the mercs didnt have an attack which lowered an opponents def or res, that's cool. The other two skills however have become a problem because they ignore defense, and have a chance to crit. NO ONE can contest, unless they are simply flat out lying, that these two attacks, which even when both maxed out, are a pittence to the ammount of damage that they do. You can not tell me that if you went into 2v2, and then faced a pair of mercs, which is about a 2 in 3 chance, they will both have at least one completely maxed out, and chaces will be you will be targeted first because of the stigma that tm's are weak. And after taking 2 bunkers or a bunker and a aux from a support merc that you will not need to heal up, unless you are already dead from the two hit you will have recived if one, or both were criticle strikes.


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Long story short, 2v2, mercs own this arena, and come in second for 1v1, bunker buster and artillary strike are a major problem, and if you think that feild medic lost it's effectivness to heal someone for any other reason than support mercs, you are a fool.

ok seriously why doesn't anyone complain about cheapshot like they do for bunker?
cheapshot is just as effective and costs way less energy and ignores more defense when maxxed.

i already explain why artillery is the best multi and why it should remain the best.
support doesn't give us tanking capabilities.
tech gives u tanking capabilities and if u mix that with a gamma bot it can be real OP.
dex also has tanking capabilities and block chance aswell -.-

im going to be making a LONG and i mean LONG post about builds for every class. because this is getting ridiculous.
its like people dont even think about their builds or strategies.

< Message edited by goldslayer1 -- 6/14/2011 19:50:00 >
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6/14/2011 19:57:37   
xxmirxx
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quote:

ok seriously why doesn't anyone complain about cheapshot like they do for bunker? cheapshot is just as effective and costs way less energy and ignores more defense when maxxed.

thats because many don't use it and get more blocks. When other hand bunker blast gets more critical.
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6/14/2011 20:14:46   
goldslayer1
Member

@mir
yeah but it costs way more energy than cheapshot
while u do 1 bunker i can do 3 cheapshots.
and mix ur cheapshot with smoke and its even worse.
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6/14/2011 20:26:07   
edwardvulture
Member

No strength bhs are overpowered. There is absolutely no way you can beat one with full enhancements and a robot if your nonvarium.
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6/14/2011 20:30:17   
Mr. Black OP
Member

if your nv u wld have a harder time against a tech merc, support mage, or 5 focus bh then a str one
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6/14/2011 21:03:54   
goldslayer1
Member

@edvard
i had non variums beat more. mostly because of luck.
and they weren't mercs.
they were either strength BH or mages. (non variums)
AQW Epic  Post #: 22
6/15/2011 14:22:17   
AQWPlayer
Member

Non var BH=UP
Non var merc=slightly OP
Non var TM=Slightly UP
Varium BH=Very OP
Varium merc=OP
Varium TM=Epic OP
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6/15/2011 14:41:17   
ajs777
Member

lol all classes have their strong and weak points, i was sick of the "you win cuz your OPd merc" at the end of battles, so now im BH and i actaully have a slightly higher win ratio, there is a way to beat all builds, some just have more then others, i have hardest time with support mages, and str mercs that i dont block...

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