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12/20/2012 17:27:11   
xxmirxx
Member
 


Hey guys,

I have some pretty bad news to share. The EpicDuel Omega release will not be ready in time for Christmas and will need to be delayed until after the new year. The team has gone to absolute insane lengths to put in the best possible effort to create what is effectively a brand new game. I have never worked harder in my life on anything, and I think I can speak for the team in saying the same for them. I'm incredibly impressed by everyone's dedication, and for that reason, I'm extremely disappointed that we couldn't showcase their efforts in time for the holiday. Honestly, it makes me sick that it's not ready, but I'm out of options at this point.

We did not take this decision lightly. This week is our fourth straight week of 7 days a week, minimum 15 hours per day. We've had several meetings discussing where we could cut, and how we could trim the release to be able to get things out on time. Last week, when we announced the delay from Dec 14 to Dec 20, we made the tough decision to cut several features that we previously thought were critical to the release. I thought with these cuts and our strongest effort that we could get Omega out in time. I was wrong and I'll take the blame for miscalculating the requirements.



"Scary Town"

I wanted to share briefly why this release is so important, why it's taking so long: Over the course of several months and numerous meetings, we compiled a list the primary reasons why someone might not enjoy playing EpicDuel. Additionally, we wrote down every issue in our development pipeline that was overly tedious, or limiting in what was possible. This list is known as "Scary Town". The goal of the EpicDuel Omega release is to crush "Scary Town." Some of the major issues we want to solve include improving the initial gameplay experience, speeding up the development time on new skills and items, eliminating the plague of power creep, and removing loads of restrictions that create a bad experience for players and ultimately hurt the game itself.



Battle Engine:

The battle engine is the main sticking point for why we're unable to release on time. It's an all or nothing proposal. Unlike other features that we can cut, the engine either is ready or it isn't... and in this case it isn't. There are currently 87 abilities that need to be recreated on the new engine just to get back to zero. I've taken on this task personally, and so far I've only recreated about 70 of the skills. The remaining incomplete ones include Robot abilities and item specials. Once those are complete, I can move forward creating the new special abilities for our Omega promotional items and the new Yetis.
Last night around 3am I was getting overrun with bugs from our testing staff. I was unable to knock out these final abilities and as a result, the engine is not stable enough to release going into Christmas. I'm not going to chance pushing it and risk having catastrophe over the holiday, especially a thoroughly gutted release that would lack many key features.



Compromise:

Again, we understand that this is a tremendous disappointment to all of our players, but especially our most hardcore loyal players. We tried to think of something we could do with what we've built so far. We thought about releasing a last-minute, best-in-game ubersword of doom, but that would fly in the face of everything we're trying to achieve with Omega.

Here's what we're going to do -- we're going to offer the Omega Onslaughter/Impaler, Obliterator/Slayer, both Yetis, and an Omega Ticket that grants access to a month-long contest for the price of one 5-key package. When you buy this package you will receive a ticket that will guarantee you receive the items as soon as Omega officially goes live in January. After Omega goes live, we will split the Obliterator and Onslaughter into 2 separate packages as planned, but those who preordered will already have it all and be able to participate in the competition without delay!

In the mean time, we are going to push a small content release out of some seasonal rares items, and we're going to setup the Baby Yeti and Dark Yeti so the HeroMart T-shirt items are ready. The shirts are available NOW. Other than that we'll be holding onto the Omega release until after the new year.



Golden Yeti Competition


Oh, yes, I suppose I forgot to mention a 30-day competition in which the top 100 participants will receive an Ultra-Rare Golden Yeti. There will be an ongoing leaderboard showing the current rankings for the duration of the event. This Yeti WILL NOT be available any other way, and you can only win it if you have a Golden Yeti Ticket. If successful, we can evolve this competition into a full-blown tournament feature going forward into Omega.



Going Forward:

I felt it was important to explain why things are delayed. I remain 100% confident that Omega will be EpicDuel's most successful release to date, and I know it will expand the life and playerbase of the game dramatically. When we cut down to the core of the issue, all that really matters is the health of EpicDuel. This news is disappointing, but disappointment fades. Once Omega is polished and live, it will absolutely have been worth the wait.


Thanks for your support. It has been a stressful time for the ED team, but with your support, we can complete Omega and usher in 2013 as the greatest year in EpicDuel's history!

Duel On!
Titan
Tags: Titan
AQ Epic  Post #: 1
12/20/2012 17:29:03   
Yo son
Member

let hell break lose.
Post #: 2
12/20/2012 17:29:38   
Mother1
Member

I knew there would be more delays, however preordering the promo to get all the stuff in one package nice one epic duel staff. But I have to ask how do you get preorder it? Do you use atrix points or come out of pocket?

< Message edited by Mother1 -- 12/20/2012 17:32:27 >
Epic  Post #: 3
12/20/2012 17:32:22   
Blaze The Aion Ender
Member

My eye won't stop twitching...
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 4
12/20/2012 17:33:07   
The Astral Fury
Member

This is riduculos and unproffessial I'm tired of these delays, you already delayed it once and now your doing it again, I guess you guys babbling on Twitter and slacking off may have been part of it (You say you`ve been working 16-20 hours doubt it) I mean you said you would release it today, and now you just won't very dissipointed I expect more from and it`s highly unprofessial. But I guess hoping you would release something the day you said you would was too much right?

You`d think people working 20 hours a day for more than 5 weeks could relase something.

By the way: DON`T TELL US YOU`LL RELEASE SOMETHING IF YOUR NOT GOING TOO, LIKE REALLY I WAS REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS AND YOU LET ME DOWN, AND STOP SAYING ``It`s just too much work and even after all are hard work we done we still can`t relase it blah blah excuse after excuse it`s ridiculos.

Sorry about the rant, but c`mon if I were they boss they`d be fired.

They need to keep there word it`s bad enough they delayed it but it`s ridiculos that they say they`ll release something and they just don`t.

< Message edited by The Astral Fury -- 12/20/2012 17:35:50 >
DF AQW  Post #: 5
12/20/2012 17:35:06   
Ranloth
Banned


Cool story bro. I don't see you doing anything productive either but rant. How about you have a go at coding? It was to be expected and you sound very surprised. Perhaps you missed the DNs where it said whole game overhaul, NOT one big change and new phase. <.<

You'd fire them? Sure thing. And you'd find someone just like that.. Smart thinking. :V
AQ Epic  Post #: 6
12/20/2012 17:35:28   
xxmirxx
Member
 

i am confuse about this really so we have chance on winning both packs
AQ Epic  Post #: 7
12/20/2012 17:40:41   
Rayman
Banned


^
No, You have a chance to win the golden yeti, and if u buy the ticked you will get both packs for the price of one at te omega release.
AQW Epic  Post #: 8
12/20/2012 17:40:48   
The Astral Fury
Member

Productive, I`m a player supporting them and playing there game it`s not my job to do anything but play the game. It`s there job however to release the things the day they say they will, not continue to delay things and keep saying ``There`s not enough time, it`s too much work we have to delay it, they are too many excuses) And yes that rant was unprotective, but I was mad that`s what people do when there mad or you expecting me to be Mr. Sunshine right and be all helpful.

Maybe a bonus relase to make up for it nope. We haven`t had a release for so long it`s getting boring 1v1ing.

Todays by Birthday so I was hoping it would be realse since that`s be really nice to have something like that relased on my birthday.
DF AQW  Post #: 9
12/20/2012 17:41:46   
veneeria
Member

Considering the size of the change, i'd say it is still rather surprising. The promo is amazing though, would get it if i could.
AQ AQW Epic  Post #: 10
12/20/2012 17:42:33   
Q...Q
Member
 

So the only chance to win the golden yeti is to be in top 100 of the competition ?

But you can pre-order BOTH omega weapon pack

?
DF Epic  Post #: 11
12/20/2012 17:42:49   
The Astral Fury
Member

Have they put in the Promo yet.
DF AQW  Post #: 12
12/20/2012 17:43:13   
Vegafire
Member

quote:

Titan:
Titan

December 20, 2012
Omega Announcement

All the coffee in the world couldn't release Omega today

Hey guys,

I have some pretty bad news to share. The EpicDuel Omega release will not be ready in time for Christmas and will need to be delayed until after the new year. The team has gone to absolute insane lengths to put in the best possible effort to create what is effectively a brand new game. I have never worked harder in my life on anything, and I think I can speak for the team in saying the same for them. I'm incredibly impressed by everyone's dedication, and for that reason, I'm extremely disappointed that we couldn't showcase their efforts in time for the holiday. Honestly, it makes me sick that it's not ready, but I'm out of options at this point.

We did not take this decision lightly. This week is our fourth straight week of 7 days a week, minimum 15 hours per day. We've had several meetings discussing where we could cut, and how we could trim the release to be able to get things out on time. Last week, when we announced the delay from Dec 14 to Dec 20, we made the tough decision to cut several features that we previously thought were critical to the release. I thought with these cuts and our strongest effort that we could get Omega out in time. I was wrong and I'll take the blame for miscalculating the requirements.



"Scary Town"

I wanted to share briefly why this release is so important, why it's taking so long: Over the course of several months and numerous meetings, we compiled a list the primary reasons why someone might not enjoy playing EpicDuel. Additionally, we wrote down every issue in our development pipeline that was overly tedious, or limiting in what was possible. This list is known as "Scary Town". The goal of the EpicDuel Omega release is to crush "Scary Town." Some of the major issues we want to solve include improving the initial gameplay experience, speeding up the development time on new skills and items, eliminating the plague of power creep, and removing loads of restrictions that create a bad experience for players and ultimately hurt the game itself.


Battle Engine:

The battle engine is the main sticking point for why we're unable to release on time. It's an all or nothing proposal. Unlike other features that we can cut, the engine either is ready or it isn't... and in this case it isn't. There are currently 87 abilities that need to be recreated on the new engine just to get back to zero. I've taken on this task personally, and so far I've only recreated about 70 of the skills. The remaining incomplete ones include Robot abilities and item specials. Once those are complete, I can move forward creating the new special abilities for our Omega promotional items and the new Yetis.
Last night around 3am I was getting overrun with bugs from our testing staff. I was unable to knock out these final abilities and as a result, the engine is not stable enough to release going into Christmas. I'm not going to chance pushing it and risk having catastrophe over the holiday, especially a thoroughly gutted release that would lack many key features.



Compromise:

Again, we understand that this is a tremendous disappointment to all of our players, but especially our most hardcore loyal players. We tried to think of something we could do with what we've built so far. We thought about releasing a last-minute, best-in-game ubersword of doom, but that would fly in the face of everything we're trying to achieve with Omega.

Here's what we're going to do -- we're going to offer the Omega Onslaughter/Impaler, Obliterator/Slayer, both Yetis, and an Omega Ticket that grants access to a month-long contest for the price of one 5-key package. When you buy this package you will receive a ticket that will guarantee you receive the items as soon as Omega officially goes live in January. After Omega goes live, we will split the Obliterator and Onslaughter into 2 separate packages as planned, but those who preordered will already have it all and be able to participate in the competition without delay!

Preorder and Be Yeti for the Yetis
In the mean time, we are going to push a small content release out of some seasonal rares items, and we're going to setup the Baby Yeti and Dark Yeti so the HeroMart T-shirt items are ready. The shirts are available NOW. Other than that we'll be holding onto the Omega release until after the new year.

Are you Yeti to wear a Yeti?



Golden Yeti Competition

I've got a golden ticket!
Oh, yes, I suppose I forgot to mention a 30-day competition in which the top 100 participants will receive an Ultra-Rare Golden Yeti. There will be an ongoing leaderboard showing the current rankings for the duration of the event. This Yeti WILL NOT be available any other way, and you can only win it if you have a Golden Yeti Ticket. If successful, we can evolve this competition into a full-blown tournament feature going forward into Omega.



Going Forward:

I felt it was important to explain why things are delayed. I remain 100% confident that Omega will be EpicDuel's most successful release to date, and I know it will expand the life and playerbase of the game dramatically. When we cut down to the core of the issue, all that really matters is the health of EpicDuel. This news is disappointing, but disappointment fades. Once Omega is polished and live, it will absolutely have been worth the wait.


Thanks for your support. It has been a stressful time for the ED team, but with your support, we can complete Omega and usher in 2013 as the greatest year in EpicDuel's history!

Duel On!

Titan

Tags: Titan


Right Everyone Stop complaining, at first it was complaints about only being able to get one weapon package per Varium purchase. Well Im Pretty sure this is compensating for the Delay, compensation which is not essential.

We were given a Estimated time on release which yes may have been misinterpreted which Titan has Held his hands up for but at the end of the day with the new time set he may choose to add all the original functions that were cut out in the first delay back in, The main reason behind the Delay is extensive testing of the new system, Having to input Potentially Hundreds of Weapon/ Armour and the New robot Abilities into the Database so that we have more of a choice when choosing our Abilities.

Bugg's - The Database supporting the new System has to be Tested to prevent Bugg's once the Update goes live as it could pottentially take epicduel offline for a time duration, The extensive testing is being done as each feature is added to prevent any two features from interfeering or Canceling eachover out in the database which would mean they will function incorrectly in the Game.

Yes Delays and Setbacks are annoying but cannot always be avoided, As you see 7 days a week with 15+ hours a day? Imagine how Mangled the Developers heads are as the average Human cannot think or function properly without a MINIMUM of 8 hours of sleep per night, yes it leaves time for the sleep but what about there families and Social Lives, they are giving up this time to Ensure we get the best standard of gameplay. Although Titan as we know is no normal person in any aspect even he must be under a lot of pressure to get this update done, Cafeene Boosts, Irregular Breaks, Eating Junk Food (Normal For Him) and sleep depression can lead to Long term problems with the heart which i myself suffer from at the Age of 17 YES 17!

So give them a break, Show your respects to these devoted people and grab yourself the offer of getting both weapon chains aswell as the exclusive pass whilst you can!

Thank you
~Vegafire

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The Frost Guardians
AQW Epic  Post #: 13
12/20/2012 17:45:37   
Nexus...
Member

What did I tell you? You should have listened to me. Of course you should be mad, because you expected them to come through, but they never do with these big releases. THEY HAVE NEVER COME THROUGH. I'm not mad, because I was 90% sure this would happen, but I can see why a paying customer might be upset that the staff couldn't get a release done after 2 months of work, and a month without a release. Its saddening, but oh so pridictable...and it all comes down to they're horrible public relations. But whatever, time to play some Dota 2, see you guys in a couple weeks.

quote:

See here is the issue...


EpicDuel doesn't always delay releases....but when they do....its always more than 1 week. (:O)


I hope this isn't the case here, but every phase release since Beta has experienced more than 1 date change. In fact, I think Gamma had 4 total dates it was supposed to be released, and similarly Delta had 3. I'm not trying to be a downer here, but I have come to expect the worst and hope for the best with this game...and I think rightfully so (I mean look at the record people).


So do I think the delay is a good thing? I could care less. Do I think Omega will be the 20th? Nope. A week later? Maybe. The week after the week later. Probably.

If that upsets you, then this delay is definitely a bad thing, but if you want Delta for another 3 weeks, then you are in luck.


Prophet


< Message edited by Nexus... -- 12/20/2012 17:47:39 >
Epic  Post #: 14
12/20/2012 17:45:40   
The Astral Fury
Member

The problem is I expect the dev`s to be true to there word.I get that things happend, but it`s all the time, it`s been so long since they have given us a relasehow long has it been anyway.
DF AQW  Post #: 15
12/20/2012 17:45:59   
classifiedname
Member

wow i liked my explanation better
@xxmirxx no we get the packages if were buy the golden ticket. you have a chance of winning a golden yeti

@The astral fury

chill man, the devs are as dissapointed as you are. And from this explaination turns out there were a lot of bugs... no use releasing a bad game. And if you've ever worked with code you'd know how hard and frustrating it is fixing bugs. it looks like they redid the entire game engine its self in fact this is looking like they're releasing a complete new game! so i'm cool with waiting. I will still stick with epic duel and i will still be the first to log in on that update ;). So for now i'll buy the golden ticket , sip some hot chocolate and enjoy the holidays.

< Message edited by classifiedname -- 12/20/2012 17:46:31 >
MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 16
12/20/2012 17:47:36   
The Astral Fury
Member

So I`m confused will that ticket be released today.
DF AQW  Post #: 17
12/20/2012 17:48:35   
Rayman
Banned


^
Yew
AQW Epic  Post #: 18
12/20/2012 17:49:07   
master x guardian
Member

It would've been nice to have Omega released at roughly the same time as I finished finals...oh well I suppose I can wait.
The only thing that irks me is the compromise doesn't really benefit most players, especially the F2P ones, and isn't Omega itself all about finally closing the gap? The compromise itself would suggest otherwise...>.>

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AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 19
12/20/2012 17:49:10   
The Astral Fury
Member

Lol is that a yes.
DF AQW  Post #: 20
12/20/2012 17:49:31   
Q...Q
Member
 

Omega pre-order coming shortly.
thats whatthey said ingame
DF Epic  Post #: 21
12/20/2012 17:49:47   
Rayman
Banned


Astral: Yes it's a yes, shutdown is cming in 5 minutes
they will release the ticked and bring back new seasonal weps.

< Message edited by Rayman -- 12/20/2012 17:51:04 >
AQW Epic  Post #: 22
12/20/2012 17:51:18   
  Scakk
Beyond


Please use this thread for this discussion. http://forums2.battleon.com/f/tm.asp?m=20955792
AQW  Post #: 23
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