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2/23/2013 19:59:38   
President Obama
Member

Hello it's the President here!


I would like to make the suggestion to making it where you can counter/block the cores.

I understand most of you will just reply as "Not Supported".

What I am thinking is making this game a little more balanced than what it is now.

Now it is a pay to win game.
Example: Tech Mages, High Support with the Azrael's weapons. All they have to do is (Malf, Force Strike, Aux, Win.) Unfair right?
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They need a way for the credit users to be able to block/deflect a core or move.

In my opinion they need to make it where this game doesn't have any moves that are unblockable. It makes most battles overpowered.

Bounty/Cyber: They both have massacre. If they have it, lets say at a smaller number like at x5 then they can still drop you from 50-60 health.
Most people do not want to max out their dex or health to prevent from taking the larger hit from this (ie: Someone has a level 5 massacre and the normal damage it does on a player is around 40-55 Damage. If someone raises there dex or there health it is taking away from the other things they could be using. Why should a class like a TM have to use a high HP or high dex class in order to beat just 2 classes when other classes will just get a advantage over them. I am using a TM as an example because currently they do not have anything to block or decrease there energy(EMP). Therefore it is unfair for them to have to make a high dex/HP build to lose to another build. Why not just have a chance to block the massacre?

Tech/Blood: They have the super charge and the plasma bolt and deadly aim. I think this is where the deflecting part comes into play. Lets talk Deadly Aim. I would say every skill point you use it gives the other player a higher chance to deflect it. Plasma Bolt: People are currently using high tech builds to two hit other players. In my mind plasma bolt is just like a aux or a side arm and with that note it should be able to get deflected just like a aux or sidearm! Super Charge is just like what I said about the plasma bolt! It is just like a aux or a side arm, (remember that this is all my opinions and im not forcing you to think like I am.)

Merc: They have surgical/artillery strike: Both of these do a very high damage to the opponent. There should be a way to deflect these. You may be able to but, me personally haven't been able to deflect one of these!
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Now this may be me just going on a oversized rant on how this game has started to become a, "Pay to win" game, but this game has started to go way over powered. I think that this game needs to go back to having a requirement for the skills. Because if we don't then everyone will just start stacking Support, Strength, or Tech. I would rather have a match go for 20+ rounds and be even than get 2 hit in a match!


If you have other opinions about this then please state them! Give me your feedback, I would love to see what you guys think about this and how you are liking Omega or If you would rather go back to Delta!



< Message edited by Mecha Mario -- 2/24/2013 12:26:47 >
Epic  Post #: 1
2/23/2013 21:47:09   
Cursed Darkness
Member

yea.......no, i like the way the game is setup now.
don't like the game it's being played then stop playing and as for your "pay to win" i think not.
You don't pay to win in this game anymore.

< Message edited by Mecha Mario -- 2/24/2013 12:27:01 >
Epic  Post #: 2
2/23/2013 21:53:26   
TRizZzCENTRINO
Member

not supported, this is not pay to win, the new azrael promo is not the problem, the problem is that they nerfed resistance and strength, that's why support build is ruling, it is a business and they need to make money in-order to keep ED up, why don't you just make a suggestion like making all varium exclusive features available for credits, or make this game completely free? credit players already have enough advantage over varium players with the release of omega, there is no point of having a skill core if you know that it is going to be countered by your opponent when you use it, this suggestion have a massive flaw and it is going to destroy the game rather than helping it.
MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 3
2/23/2013 21:57:51   
President Obama
Member

You don't think you have to pay to win? Considering 95% of the people that I face have the Azrael's promotional items, beat me when in fast they would not be able to beat someone the current build that I use, They have admitted it and many people have came up and talked to me about how they are overpowered and game changing. They should at least go out and make it where other people can buy the cores that they use.

And you cant tell me that you can go out and win against someone that is variumed out with the new promotional items and even the old items.

Edit: Epic Duel can make money in more ways than one.

They don't just have to sell varium!

They can add some ad's. They can add credit packages. They can add promotional packs that don't involve Varium. (ie: Armor's, Weapons without pre-set cores.)


< Message edited by Mecha Mario -- 2/24/2013 12:27:55 >
Epic  Post #: 4
2/23/2013 22:14:03   
TRizZzCENTRINO
Member

quote:

You don't think you have to pay to win? Considering 95% of the people that I face have the Azrael's promotional items, beat me when in fast they would not be able to beat someone the current build that I use, They have admitted it and many people have came up and talked to me about how they are overpowered and game changing. They should at least go out and make it where other people can buy the cores that they use.

And you cant tell me that you can go out and win against someone that is variumed out with the new promotional items and even the old items.

haven't you heard of using your brain? before this patch update and the nerfing of resistance, players with the azrael promo is beatable, you just have to see through their strategy, i have beaten many players with the new promo, its' not anyone's fault if you can't figure out a strategy to defeat them.
now they just need to nerf support, support builds are powerful even without the azrael promos.

quote:

Epic Duel can make money in more ways than one.

sure they can, but would it motivate people to get it?

quote:

They don't just have to sell varium!

They can add some ad's. They can add credit packages. They can add promotional packs that don't involve Varium. (ie: Armor's, Weapons without pre-set cores.)

ads required money, credit packages with make people paying for this game even less since there isn't anything exclusive or special about it, and all the varium exclusive features like EXP/credit boosters would also be available for credits.
and why would people pay for a weapon with a core that's same in power or usefulness as the cores that is available in-game with credits?
I'm sure you don't even think about these.
MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 5
2/23/2013 22:22:32   
President Obama
Member

If the boost are OP(overpriced) then we wouldn't have a problem. Take Credit boost out which will make people buy the credit packages. That way only people that are serious about this game will make them want to buy it.


About the Azrael gear. Lets say you face a TM. all they have to do is Malf, Pistol, Rocket and your dead. You cant do anything if you are forced to strike; and if your malfed what are you going to do, use the rusted robot and heal it by like 5 points?

< Message edited by Mecha Mario -- 2/24/2013 12:28:08 >
Epic  Post #: 6
2/23/2013 22:34:10   
TRizZzCENTRINO
Member

quote:

If the boost are OP(overpriced) then we wouldn't have a problem. Take Credit boost out which will make people buy the credit packages. That way only people that are serious about this game will make them want to buy it.

you already agreed in another thread that the credit prices are too high and not you want to make certain items overpriced? plus making boosts expensive would also hard those that bought the credit packages, using varium to get the boosts is way cheaper.

quote:

About the Azrael gear. Lets say you face a TM. all they have to do is Malf, Pistol, Rocket and your dead. You cant do anything if you are forced to strike; and if your malfed what are you going to do, use the rusted robot and heal it by like 5 points?

so what? you only die a turn early versing those with the promo, those without the promo still will kill you either way.
MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 7
2/23/2013 22:36:55   
President Obama
Member

Yes, I agreed that the credit prices for the weapons are overpriced, we are talking about the boost*. If someone wants the boost they should have to pay more since it will be helping you get to the level cap.

And to your last statement you are totally off par. The Azrael cores give you the overall advantage, if they don't have the core to make you strike then you could counter what they are about to do or give yourself more protection.

Edit: This stuff is worse then the Strength Merc build. At least with that you had the chance to block. They way they are abusing the build now they hit 60 with the pistol, and they make you strike then hit 70's with the aux.

< Message edited by Mecha Mario -- 2/24/2013 12:28:50 >
Epic  Post #: 8
2/23/2013 23:42:28   
TRizZzCENTRINO
Member

quote:

Yes, I agreed that the credit prices for the weapons are overpriced, we are talking about the boost*. If someone wants the boost they should have to pay more since it will be helping you get to the level cap.

again that would be unbeneficial to the people who is gonna purchase the credit packs, getting boosts with varium is more cheaper and satisfying.

quote:

And to your last statement you are totally off par. The Azrael cores give you the overall advantage, if they don't have the core to make you strike then you could counter what they are about to do or give yourself more protection.

you just don't get it do you? support techmage and cyber hunters is currently overpowered, they can deal 60 damage with any gun and 70 with any AUX, if support is nerfed then i doubt that the azrael promo is OP,it all depends on which class/build is using it, same goes for all skill cores, people will find a way to abuse them just like the time when strength abusers abuse unblockable cores like meteor shower, chairman's uppercut and thorns.
i truly feel sorry for you if you still think that the core is OP and not the builds/class.
MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 9
2/24/2013 0:34:39   
President Obama
Member

Gotta love people that do not put up a valid argument if your going to comeback and say something then let it be beneficial. It's like your not even reading my replies. Therefore blocked!
Epic  Post #: 10
2/24/2013 1:11:15   
TRizZzCENTRINO
Member

quote:

Gotta love people that do not put up a valid argument if your going to comeback and say something then let it be beneficial. It's like your not even reading my replies. Therefore blocked!

gotta love people who wouldn't see/admit their own mistakes XD

and you haven't replied to my second part of the post whereas i replied to every part of you post.

< Message edited by TRizZzCENTRINO -- 2/24/2013 1:12:05 >
MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 11
2/24/2013 6:10:47   
G4m3r
Member

You forgot about TLMs.
Post #: 12
2/24/2013 10:03:16   
EpicIsEpic
Member

..trizzzcentrino.. You just have a baby yeti but what if you cannot afford 45k credits. I mean thats still a lot and you will still end up dieing in most of the cases support tm starts and makes
you strike you strike. then tm malfs you now 2 ifs
you go defensive (use shield) = you loose because of aux destroying your shield while dealing 100% damage and even with shield it does around 50 damage and hp is nerfed.

you use yeti dealing low dmg/ tm attacks back dealing big damage because you are malfed with -50 tech (normally more)

You have to heal because he just did huge damage. So you heal.
Then tm gun is back and since you are malfed to about 10 res and they normally have deadly aim to deal 35+10 (+str about 10-14) damage it deals about 45 damage.
And you die in nex turn or 2.


This was a little problem with str mercs because i blocked quiet a bit so they couldnt hit me and ended up loosing a lot but now it is impossible because tech mages CAN'T be blocked.
Post #: 13
2/24/2013 10:12:28   
Mother1
Member

@ epic

They said prices would inflate with credits for the soul purpose that varium items were going to be available to all. This was done to make sure Varium wasn't nerfed as hard as they did. Making things easier for credit players by increasing credit rewards would only serve to devalue varium. Devalue it too much and people won't buy it. It was said in the design notes that prices would increase so varium wouldn't be devalued so it isn't like they let us blindly into it.



< Message edited by Mother1 -- 2/24/2013 10:18:12 >
Epic  Post #: 14
2/24/2013 10:58:29   
J.U.S.T.I.C.E.
Member

I think instead of 'blocking' the azrael guns should have a 25% chance of making your opponent strike you - or even less
AQW Epic  Post #: 15
2/24/2013 15:06:44   
President Obama
Member

@G4M3R

I haven't really found anything wrong with the TLM's they seem pretty balanced as they mostly just like to loop heal.

< Message edited by Mecha Mario -- 2/25/2013 9:29:28 >
Epic  Post #: 16
2/25/2013 0:02:44   
King Oranges
Member

I liked the suggestion that you can block massacre.
Say that you have a 1-3% chance of blocking massacre so bh/ch dont keep killing you.
AQW Epic  Post #: 17
2/25/2013 0:19:09   
TRizZzCENTRINO
Member

how about .00000000000000001 chance to block it?
MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 18
2/25/2013 9:33:04   
Melbourne
Member

I am a TM as well and can feel your pain but you can't block or deflect something that requires that much EP. It would almost be an instant loss because you just halved or lost your big damage.
AQW Epic  Post #: 19
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