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Nexus... -> RE: Titan, NW, Charfade, and Cinderella (5/15/2011 1:07:38)

I guess I havn't played more than you. You must just have a case of ignorance...my mistake.

Would you like me to back that up? All I ever see from you is self centered comments. All you ever care about is yourself. Other players play this game gold. How would you feel if you were getting slaughtered by varium players 8 levels above you? All you care about is your dose of pixel, and what is best for you and what YOU like. This game is not about you, so stop thinking anyone cares what you have to say. In contrast we am trying to make this game better for all of us. WE play this game not YOU. Why don't you get your head around that. THE WORLD does not revolve around YOU. Say what YOU want to say, but know that the majority of ED players are not one bit happy. So instead of thinking we are all insane why don't you self reflect.

EpicE4



goldslayer1 -> RE: Titan, NW, Charfade, and Cinderella (5/15/2011 1:10:26)

@nexus
i think ur the one thats ignorant
be grateful that they making it non varium
cause when COD makes an expansion pack it costs $20
and they dont make it free after.
the choice is urs if u want to buy it.
if not, then WAIT until its for non vars



Nexus... -> RE: Titan, NW, Charfade, and Cinderella (5/15/2011 1:17:07)

Read my post above ^^

I would also like to add that I have approximately twice the wins that you do. So yeah I have played both longer and more then you :)



goldslayer1 -> RE: Titan, NW, Charfade, and Cinderella (5/15/2011 1:19:28)

@nexus
and i bet u have triple the losses too.


quote:

Would you like me to back that up? All I ever see from you is self centered comments. All you ever care about is yourself. Other players play this game gold. How would you feel if you were getting slaughtered by varium players 8 levels above you? All you care about is your dose of pixel, and what is best for you and what YOU like. This game is not about you, so stop thinking anyone cares what you have to say. In contrast we am trying to make this game better for all of us. WE play this game not YOU. Why don't you get your head around that. THE WORLD does not revolve around YOU. Say what YOU want to say, but know that the majority of ED players are not one bit happy. So instead of thinking we are all insane why don't you self reflect.


dude i criticised the other updates.
u think i didn't like the stat nerf and encumebrance and all the other stuff?
u think i didn't like the fact that they made aux and gun enhancements?
of course not.
this is the first thing i agreed with them about.

if other games can pull of the fact that they make expansions cost money. and not have people complain and complain about it costing money, why cant ED?
i think ur just blind by that.



Nexus... -> RE: Titan, NW, Charfade, and Cinderella (5/15/2011 1:22:15)

I really couldn't tell you what my losses are besides from the fact that I've killed you more times then you have killed me.

Putting that aside, go read my post at the top of the page.

@Gold

Still doesn't take away from the fact that you support this update which is the WORST of them all. Also I havn't always been named EpicE4, but I have beat you under this name many times. I have a screenie if you would like.

EpicE4



goldslayer1 -> RE: Titan, NW, Charfade, and Cinderella (5/15/2011 1:23:24)

@nexus
i did

also i dont remember fighting anyone named epice4
i seen u by OZ tho.


@nexus
if u have a screenie by all means show it to everyone.
i dont really care.
and there isn't a reason not to support this release.
$10 for trial of this new mode seems fine

u wanna complain and say its unfair to charge people for the expansion of the game, go QQ to world of warcraft



Ashari -> RE: Titan, NW, Charfade, and Cinderella (5/15/2011 1:28:52)

This thread is becoming too much of a back and forth with off-topic discussion. I'm giving this thread one warning that it needs to get back on topic.

This should not become a thread about who has more game experience. The issue at hand the communication problem and Juggernaut as a feature. I'm letting this thread stay open because the OP has brought up a valid point, however it is starting to drift from its intended topic. That means discussing how staff-player communications and Juggernaut can be improved

I don't want to see any more insults thrown at other users, or the developers if you want this thread to remain open.



Nexus... -> RE: Titan, NW, Charfade, and Cinderella (5/15/2011 1:31:23)

Sorry about that.

We will take this outside :D



ON TOPIC:

Do you think the developers need to be a bit more transparent with these types of major releases? It seems to me their was a very large miscommunication between the players and the admins regarding varium that caused this huge uproar in the first place.



Angels Holocaust -> RE: Titan, NW, Charfade, and Cinderella (5/15/2011 1:31:56)

The priorities of the Devs are to make the paying players happy. If we are not happy we will not come back, its as simple as that. Nothing else matters don't you all understand?



goldslayer1 -> RE: Titan, NW, Charfade, and Cinderella (5/15/2011 1:35:22)

i think charging money for the expansion of the game is fine to me.
call of duty charges $20 for a map.
in ED we get a whole new mode and the maps for free :P
world of warcraft charges like $50 for the expansion.
$10 isn't much.
and dont think im being ignorant or supporting the devs, but they are not in the wrong by charging $10 for the testing for this week. and if they wish to reward us then they will do so.

if u feel that its unfair for them to charge $10 for 2 vs 1 mode for only this week.
then it seems to me that ur impatient. and greedy, for wanting more for the price of nothing.



Nexus... -> RE: Titan, NW, Charfade, and Cinderella (5/15/2011 1:37:44)

Yes but in order to make the MAJORITY of playing players happy, don't they have to communicate what they are actually doing? Otherwise the playing players have expectations which are completely let down. This is what seems to have cause this large uproar. See what I am getting at? The developers can do whatever they want. I may not like it but I am sure someone will. However I think it is very important they they convey to the players that such releases will be varium etc. and not attempt to hide it in order to make a larger profit.



goldslayer1 -> RE: Titan, NW, Charfade, and Cinderella (5/15/2011 1:44:33)

@nexus
well the coding for it must have been difficult. with the new boards achievement and all.
not to mention item drops from npcs (i say that took more coding)
i think $10 is good enough for 2 vs 1.
think of it like six flags.
where u buy the tickets then u can pay another $30-50 for express tickets that let u cut the line and get on any ride whenever u want. and and the waiting is as long as it takes u to walk to the ride.
basicaly what im getting at is that its fine for them to charge $10
in fact IMO i think it should stay as a varium feature.
this game needs a varium only mode.



Cinderella -> RE: Titan, NW, Charfade, and Cinderella (5/15/2011 2:10:56)

I apologize for my lack of communication- unfortunately, I did not know about the price until the day of release, too late to edit the DNs.



Nexus... -> RE: Titan, NW, Charfade, and Cinderella (5/15/2011 2:26:19)

Well I just wanted to say that you have been extremely responsible, and I have never had anything against you. Seems to me that you have done the best you possibly could with the little resources and limited information you were given. Looking forward I hope these types of issues can be resolved before the release rather then afterwards so as to avoid the type of thing we saw yesterday/today.

EpicE4



Soliqe -> RE: Titan, NW, Charfade, and Cinderella (5/15/2011 2:42:13)

I personally don't see the issue of the whole situation of this update. (I'm a founder and still didn't even have enough for the freaking card.)
You all should have expected this is what will happen. I predicted many things in many updates. I predicted that sell back would be about 15%, also predicted the lowering of credit cost for enhancing weapons. (I petitioned that strongly however)

You guys really need to stop anticipating some God-like update because it will never happen with the small crew ED has. It's 2 guys, a community rep. and a part-time artist. You really think one coder is going to bust out a fully completed 2v1 out of his backside?

I personally was a wee bit frustrated with the varium crap, (I always am) but it's to be expected, "T" and "N" work on a fixed income, and if anyone is to blame, it's the umbrella company(AE). Go whine to them and not your developers. They're just the hard workers that do nothing but try to please you, and you all act like you lost your best friends.



The Cardclasher -> RE: Titan, NW, Charfade, and Cinderella (5/22/2011 13:29:13)

Charfade is best mod I ever saw in all games



Mr. Black OP -> RE: Titan, NW, Charfade, and Cinderella (5/22/2011 13:38:15)

@above
u bump a week old thread just to say charfade is a good dev?



Sparticus -> RE: Titan, NW, Charfade, and Cinderella (5/22/2011 14:30:21)

LOL I laugh hard every time I see this same thread restart and it does constantly, just under a new guise.

This discussion about communication started well over a year ago in the old ED forum. The DEVs do not have to ever tell you what is coming up in a future releases and they do not ever need to explain to the players anything in advance. We were spoiled because the DEVs were nice guys and kept in touch with us during this game's development. At that time, it was a good marketing idea but it ended up biting them in the rear since now players on the forum expect that sort of attention and service 24/7/52. Ain't happening anymore so suck it up and move on. If you're lucky Cindy might leak out some info here and there.

I been here a very long time too, the only difference is I don't expect unreasonable things from this game and it's DEVs so I never get disappointed.



Wraith -> RE: Titan, NW, Charfade, and Cinderella (5/22/2011 14:36:11)

Wait...what did the devs do now? Don't recall them doing anything too messed up recently.



veneeria -> RE: Titan, NW, Charfade, and Cinderella (5/22/2011 14:59:11)

Agreed ..and i am also really intrigued about why in every new release (new feature one): it is varium.
I can understand there being more varium weapons than non-varium, but every single new feature being varium?
apart from name enchantments (that only ..after a huge amount of releases it became non-varium) and now the recent 1x2 battles... that is...



Nexus... -> RE: Titan, NW, Charfade, and Cinderella (5/22/2011 15:00:17)

This is an old thread from a few weeks ago.


EpicE4



Wiseman -> RE: Titan, NW, Charfade, and Cinderella (5/22/2011 15:48:47)

It may be an old thread, but communication is still an issue.

I agree that many things could be communicated better between developers and players, keep in mind thought that Charfade post quite often and she is a developer.

This game has three big problems that are intertwined.

1. It has an extremely small team for a full MMO game. (Understaffed)
2. It has a Bad Community.
3. The lack of communication.

With that in mind, each of these issues need worked on, however each of them is preventing the developers from working on the others.

1. Understaffed - They have tried to get a larger team, however at this time everyone in AE is already assigned on separate projects, and there's just nobody to spare. They could hire someone new, but they would require training, and it would be awhile before they are able to help a lot.

2. Bad Community - The community has become very bad, players seem to be insulting each other in just about every battle, fame is spammed everywhere, and there is a lot of scamming and account sharing going on. It's our job as mods to punish these players (minus the fame spam), however there's another problem, many players have lost faith in the current report system, or they are too lazy to take the time to report to "The Lawman". Because of that most of these problems are never seen by the moderation staff, and what we don't see, we cant resolve. The developers do plan to improve the in game report system in the future, so reporting would be much easier for the players, however until that happens, the big issues should still be reported to "The Lawman".

Remember, improving the community starts with the players, and taking the time to report can make a difference.

3. Lack of Communication - The ED team does not have a marketing expert, or a customer service expert at this time, so the communication issues also takes us back to the understaffed issue. Cinderella is the new PR, and I'm sure she will do a fine job, however at this time she is still in training, and as with anyone in training she will make mistakes, and learn from them. Give them time, they are trying to improve the communication problem as best as they are able. I agree that the developers should at least give a day are two notice on the features and their cost, they could still keep things like weapons/armor stats secret till they are released, or even the equipment itself. However prices for the wanted features, and the details around their release should indeed be announced before they come, so players have time to prepare and decide.

I'm sure with time the communication will improve, maybe not to the point where the developers post all the time on the forum, but at least to the point where full details are announced on the design notes ahead of time (before release day). And hopefully any changes or problems are also announced so they don't surprise everyone, I also think the developers should stop saying things like "coming soon" and replace it with "future items" or "planned features" or even "Epic Things To-Do", just to name a few.


Anyway I hope that brings some insight to the situation, and hopefully in the near future, things will begin to improve. Just remember, a lot of it depends on the players support and patience as well (especially the community issue).

Thanks for reading.



xxmirxx -> RE: Titan, NW, Charfade, and Cinderella (5/22/2011 16:12:30)

Wiseman I have made reports about scammers lots of times with sceenshots. just to find out they gave them second chances so on bad community its not are faults if we do what suppose to be doing. Actually like to see scammers like we did on old forums so public knows not to allow them in there faction.



Wiseman -> RE: Titan, NW, Charfade, and Cinderella (5/22/2011 16:35:19)

@ xxmirxx: Indeed, we do give them a second chance, because it's our procedure, however that's all they get is one chance, if they come back and do it again then they are permanently banned. Anyone deserves a chance to change their ways, and some of them do learn from the experience. Lately I have been pushing for longer ban lengths so these offenses can be handled more appropriately, and we have received a shiny new 1 week ban option. I'm still pushing for longer options (3 week, 1 month, 3 month) in between 1 week and permanent, but as with everything it takes time to add and test them.

My question is: How is not reporting them in the first place going to improve matters? Rather than get banned and possibly learn their lesson, they completely get away with it and never even have the chance to learn from it.

Keep that in mind next time you let someone get away with something.

Sorry if this is off topic, the title of the thread is the developers names, and I assume that anything that would improve the game (that involves the developers) is up for discussion.



The UnleaShedWolfZ -> RE: Titan, NW, Charfade, and Cinderella (5/22/2011 18:06:22)

Shocka , ur 100% right.

and great topic for Nexus.



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