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He Who Lurks -> A Horrible Situation: A BH's Bloodlust (6/12/2011 8:59:47)

I feel that the BH's bloodlust is a bit OP'd in certain situations. Have you ever fought a 2vs2 match and your down on the ground, and your partner was facing a bloodlust BH? What if that BH had great defenses and your partner did low damage but had higher defenses than that BH? It doesn't matter much since the BH will continue to absorb health since your partner can't keep the BH's health bar down. I believe bloodlust should have a cap on the amount it can heal an individual, probably scaled by level. What do you guys think about bloodlust? Discuss.



The Shadow Dragon -> RE: A Horrible Situation: A BH's Bloodlust (6/12/2011 9:03:02)

Youre right, and its extremly OP for Strenght/Smokescreen bounties.



goldslayer1 -> RE: A Horrible Situation: A BH's Bloodlust (6/12/2011 9:07:04)

@the shadow
its worse for 5 focus dex monkey BH
they block every turn and tank all ur hits
then the regain it by spamming gamma bot



T.600 -> RE: A Horrible Situation: A BH's Bloodlust (6/12/2011 9:08:16)

Shadow arts is worse.



PenyihiR -> RE: A Horrible Situation: A BH's Bloodlust (6/12/2011 9:13:50)

^
n EMP too..,
EMP can make Merc powerless



Fay Beeee -> RE: A Horrible Situation: A BH's Bloodlust (6/12/2011 9:29:42)

Simple solution
Get rid of all BH (well that is what you are saying)

Comon guys. BH are not infallible. There are loads of build from all classes that beat them.

And btw I am a BH.



LambO -> RE: A Horrible Situation: A BH's Bloodlust (6/12/2011 9:33:34)

Pathetic.
A bounty with good resist & defence healing more with bloodlust than you do in Damage...
You need to sort you're build out.

BH has had BL for how long? The start of the game I guess, now it's overpowered..
It's because BH's use there brains than just a silly +5 support multi healing build.



Luna_moonraider -> RE: A Horrible Situation: A BH's Bloodlust (6/12/2011 9:36:22)

1 st a thread about mercs being oped now bh what next? a thread bout mages being oped. come on stop pointing fingers and just play the game.



goldslayer1 -> RE: A Horrible Situation: A BH's Bloodlust (6/12/2011 9:38:30)

@luna
im not saying BH is OP
im saying 5 focus for every class is OP.



Luna_moonraider -> RE: A Horrible Situation: A BH's Bloodlust (6/12/2011 9:42:23)

@ above u might have a point. actually the oped thing is gamma bot in 5 focus builds.



He Who Lurks -> RE: A Horrible Situation: A BH's Bloodlust (6/12/2011 9:43:02)

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Pathetic.
A bounty with good resist & defence healing more with bloodlust than you do in Damage...
You need to sort you're build out.

BH has had BL for how long? The start of the game I guess, now it's overpowered..
It's because BH's use there brains than just a silly +5 support multi healing build.


quote:

. Have you ever fought a 2vs2 match and your down on the ground, and your partner was facing a bloodlust BH? What if that BH had great defenses and your partner did low damage but had higher defenses than that BH? It doesn't matter much since the BH will continue to absorb health since your partner can't keep the BH's health bar down.


I'm simply stating that some players are incapable of winning in this type of situation, also, I didn't depict BH's as being OP'd. This situation can also hinder other BH's. Bloodlust should have a cap on the amount which it heals.

Let me also inform you that an old player such as yourself should also be aware of that BH's bloodlust was an issue long ago. The strenght builds simply gave bloodlust too much power and it was close to impossible keeping a BH's health down.

Again, I'm simply stating that bloodlust is a tricky skill and should have limited usage, not the BH class itself.



Xx. Christian .xX -> RE: A Horrible Situation: A BH's Bloodlust (6/12/2011 9:55:42)

u guys wana know something?

well bh is OP 2 mercs and bountys BUT IN TECH MAGE NAH

all u need is support build with assualt bot. i knew this cuz of my brother, his a tech mage and support build he killed 99% of str bh and tank bh but it takes a long time for him to kill a tank bh



Hun Kingq -> RE: A Horrible Situation: A BH's Bloodlust (6/12/2011 10:40:06)

Before shadow arts I blocked max bloodlust so then after shadow arts I had to figure out a new build to block max bloodlust, which I did, then the stat progression updates, no blocks at all no matter how high dex I have but with base dex above 55 the damage increases.

I hope they get things fixed in Delta especially with the mage because if things get worse with the Blood Mage you might as well call us the tumble weed mage.



Remorse -> RE: A Horrible Situation: A BH's Bloodlust (6/12/2011 10:44:44)

I can think of worse situtations, how about when your down and your partenr is versing a merc.... i just leave the game as soon as i can...

^ above, your post did not make sence, shadow arts do not help BH stop getting blocked so why would that stop your strategy...., but i do think shadow arts should be changed, the whole idea was broguht in was because BHs would get destryed by luck as their good build required using blockables. but rather then reduce the amount BH get blcoked they just made every1 else get blocked more inculding BH's ( i have had some really anoying fights versing shadow arts myself, dont think cause your a BH shadow arts dons't affect us too.)

-My idea make shadow arts increase by 0.5% and make the chance to not get blocked aswell , eg. at max a BH has plus 5% chance to block and 5% not to get blocked.
- also make it so the plus 5% does not add to the minumum chance to block, that means if you have really high dex and you verse a BH you'l get the less blocked attacks you desreve.

As for BL. leave it alone, it is our only good defence, Mercs have tankness, Mages got healin with reroute and BH need BL to keep things fair.



Drakadh -> RE: A Horrible Situation: A BH's Bloodlust (6/12/2011 10:50:13)

For God sakes its like you guys are abusing your rights to make a thread!

Stop complaining! First it was Merc for OP Aux or OP Support now its BH for OP Strength! What next? Mage for Reroute?

This is making me sick! Stop complaining! its because of mistakes done!

Every build has there ups and downs! You should just see it!!!

Bounty use intimidate , or Defense matrix, Merc use EMP or Assimination or Defense matrix.........

See?! Use all the possible ways you can find! I mean srsly I beated up a Support mage lvl 29 when I was lvl 25 AND HE WAS VAR WITH ARMOR AND I HAD NO ARMOR NOR VAR....... And I also won against a lvl 31 Varium Support mage

when I was lvl 26.... So any complaints that the build cant be beat?

So please just use strategy, thats the only way you will ever win! >:L


~Drakadh



He Who Lurks -> RE: A Horrible Situation: A BH's Bloodlust (6/12/2011 10:55:18)

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Before shadow arts I blocked max bloodlust so then after shadow arts I had to figure out a new build to block max bloodlust, which I did, then the stat progression updates, no blocks at all no matter how high dex I have


Shadow arts does not increase your chance to block or decrease.

Also, by everyone's responses I can tell that a majority of those who've posted within this thread haven't clearly read my opening post. I never said BH's were OP'd, I'm simply stating that a situation such as the one I've depicted would be possible. This is the last time I reiterate this.



IsaiahtheMage -> RE: A Horrible Situation: A BH's Bloodlust (6/12/2011 10:58:55)

Nothing is wrong with bloodlust when Mercs have Hybrid Armor and Mages have reroute. It doesnt need a level cap at all that is more singling out a single class and nerfing them which I hate nerfing.

@Hun King What are you talking about? Damage doesnt increase above 55 Base Damage where are you getting that inaccurate info?



Remorse -> RE: A Horrible Situation: A BH's Bloodlust (6/12/2011 11:02:15)

@ he who lurks, i did read your post and i asnwered to it... and you corected the same corection i made about shadow arts not stopping BH getting bloked.. so why don't you read posts....



BlueKatz -> RE: A Horrible Situation: A BH's Bloodlust (6/12/2011 11:06:58)

BloodLust is mini Mage heal Looper, no agility, no cooldown



He Who Lurks -> RE: A Horrible Situation: A BH's Bloodlust (6/12/2011 11:38:20)

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As for BL. leave it alone, it is our only good defence, Mercs have tankness, Mages got healin with reroute and BH need BL to keep things fair.


Bloodlust isn't a defensive skill, it's an offensive. Also, how you can you say it's your only good defensive skill when BH's have emp grenade, reflex boost, and their energy shield? All great skills. Your over exaggerating my statement. I'm simply stating that there are certain situations that leave players with no way to counter-act them.

I'm no longer replying you and everyone who's against bloodlust being "rebuilt" until they've replied to this question.

Q: How would you go about defeating a BH that continues to build up it's health to the fullest while you attack for 3, barely able to keep it's health down?

It's not fair for 2vs2 when your level 27 partner has to fight a level 33 BH, it's almost impossible to win in this situation.



DDavid -> RE: A Horrible Situation: A BH's Bloodlust (6/12/2011 13:00:59)

the class passive skills are balanced.
BH's bloolust give extra hp, but defence are low, compared to mercs. also BHs have to spend more points on MP than mages.
Mers have high def, and can spend more points on either hp or mana.
TMs is the opposite of BHs. instead of spending points on MP, they can increase their hp.



The Shadow Dragon -> RE: A Horrible Situation: A BH's Bloodlust (6/12/2011 14:10:33)

For me, Shadow Arts is just useless. But for Str bounites, alot of skills are useless exepct Smoke, Blood and Massacare.

Seems kinda unfair that EMP is unblockable :l



5rr5 -> RE: A Horrible Situation: A BH's Bloodlust (6/12/2011 14:40:57)

It's not OP, every class has their good skill. If you say blood lust is oped then I say that Hybrid and reroute is OP! Don't you udnerstand that all classes have their own passive skill!



altimatum -> RE: A Horrible Situation: A BH's Bloodlust (6/12/2011 14:54:02)

why don't we make a mage Op discussion next [:)]



Hun Kingq -> RE: A Horrible Situation: A BH's Bloodlust (6/12/2011 15:12:24)

ED Wiki
"Block:
The chance to block an attack is affected by the amount of Dexterity you have compared to the amount of Dexterity your opponent has.
[Formula] Block Chance = 10% + (Defender's Dexterity - Attacker's Dexterity) / 2
Shadow Arts: Passively increases your chance to block, and chance to stun the enemy."

So with the shadow arts for another player to have a better chance at blocking do they not have to increase dex to be equal too or greater than the dex of the bounty+shadow arts to increase your chance to block.

IsaiahtheMage, I have experimented with the new stat progression/diminishing returns I had base dex at 65 with all enhancements to dex, I got greater damage and no blocks with the robots punches, I lowered down to 60, less damage but still no blocks, then 55 even less damage, blocking a little more and so on and so on.

Do you not remeber they introduced a two tier systems to supposedly tamper down the stat abusing either defensively or offensively but it only appears there is only diminishing returns on the defensive side not the offensive side.

Experiment yourself and you will see instead of telling me I have inaccurate information, have you experimented?

Epic Duel Wiki "New Releases/1.1.4d
* [[Stats]] with more than 50 points invested now experience diminishing returns on their effects."

Then it was raised to 55.

This affected Strength(not so much), Dex, and tech (the most) but for some reason it did not affect support because I see more support abusers than ever before.

Well bloodlust went from blockable to being unblockable that is why majority of time that is all what the bounty has to do over and over again, some don't have even have massacre activated, some have max smoke, max bloodlust, and max shadow arts. First they smoke you then since bloodlust has no warm up or cool down they just keep attcking you with the bloodlust over and over again. first you waste a turn debuffing or defense matrix then you waste a turn healing. You get some damage on them, they just attack you and regain that health back.




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