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Tiago X -> How to stop the OP Classes! (You can thank me later ^^) (7/1/2011 9:08:25)

It all comes down to 1 word. It's something that most of us are not used to do and that is THINKING.
Yeah, surprising is it not?
Instead of complaining on how OP TLMs are , why don't you go make your build? Seriously, now with BM and CH you finnaly got the "creativity" you wanted so badly. Take Digital X , he's one of the best CH's at this moment, because he puts time and effort on his builds! And guess what? THEY FREAKING WORK. And BM ? That class is near perfection, time your zerker well, and you win.



T29060 -> RE: How to stop the OP Classes! (You can thank me later ^^) (7/1/2011 9:29:36)

Funny thing is... bezerker needs sword or CLUB. And mages cant have clubs. And then you cant use stuff like fireball if you got a sword. And then with a staff you cant use bezerker...How does Titan use bezerker with a staff. And epicduel is still blocked on my computer.



Nebula -> RE: How to stop the OP Classes! (You can thank me later ^^) (7/1/2011 9:30:52)

Blood Mage can take down Tactical Merc easily. My build works perfectly against them.
Blood Mage is a great class, the only problem I see is limited options. If it were given Reflex Boost or Defense Matrix it could use 5 focus effectively since it has Plasma Cannon, but without defensive options to counter debuffs it can't do that.

I'd regard myself as one of the best Blood Mages for now, because while everyone complains on sight about how BM and CH fail, I'm using a build that works.

@Above No, they changed it. Bezerker doesn't require a weapon now, at least not for Blood Mage.



Tiago X -> RE: How to stop the OP Classes! (You can thank me later ^^) (7/1/2011 9:50:34)

@Nebula : My point exactly. It seems that the ones who are not complaining are the ones who get the best results .
I wonder why...



AQWPlayer -> RE: How to stop the OP Classes! (You can thank me later ^^) (7/1/2011 10:44:10)

^
Because they are variums :O



PivotalDisorder -> RE: How to stop the OP Classes! (You can thank me later ^^) (7/1/2011 12:58:06)

yes against overwhelming odds thinking will win you the day.

I decided to wage war on the united states of america with my pea shooter. but ofc I can think so hey, I win, america are all nubs.



DeathGuard -> RE: How to stop the OP Classes! (You can thank me later ^^) (7/1/2011 13:02:18)

@Tiago: You say this because you feel good being OP.



SummonerBrandon -> RE: How to stop the OP Classes! (You can thank me later ^^) (7/1/2011 13:11:09)

@AqWPlayer <_> I do not complain and I am a non-varium user. I am a pure tech mage and I do real well by myself. "OH MY GOSH! TECH MAGeS ARE, LIKE, SO UNDERPOWERED!!!" [8|] Are you sure? If you read my "A Balanced Mage" thread in the Epic Duel Battle Strategy, you might learn something.

@Tiago X No duh. Strategy works and the people who complains said that the tech mages are more of a strategic class. I guess that they are not more of a thinking person. Besides, I have beaten 3 Juggernauts, win against some varium users and I won against a couple of the hardest Beta players and I am just a regular non-varium player.

@cyberbakio ryugan How in the world do you know that he is a varium user? Did he say that he is? No, he did not. <_> And don't go looking at my character and try to find some way to say that I am a varium user. All of my items are pure non-variums that only requires credits.



DeathGuard -> RE: How to stop the OP Classes! (You can thank me later ^^) (7/1/2011 13:17:35)

Is not a big mystery... Duh! Anyways you dont seem that strong, I don't know what you got against techmages but I don't care just shut up your complaining towards techmages and then I'm fine with you.



Chosen 0ne -> RE: How to stop the OP Classes! (You can thank me later ^^) (7/1/2011 13:18:12)

most TLM builds (like mine) are actually thought out, mine involves strength and is quick kill.



SummonerBrandon -> RE: How to stop the OP Classes! (You can thank me later ^^) (7/1/2011 13:26:27)

@cyberbakio Uh... I never did complained and had any ill-will towards the techmages. -__- You really need to reread and reread again because I love tech mages.

But anyways, I do believe that what Tiago said is right. Since the Tactic Mercenaries are able to find a way to make themselves stronger in each aspect, we have to change our own strategies to go against them. Does it mean that some of us need some more energy or need stronger weapons or that we need to start actually use the most of our skills: All depends on how we plan it out.



StriderAigis -> RE: How to stop the OP Classes! (You can thank me later ^^) (7/1/2011 13:27:03)

@T29060 for bloodmages there zerker doesnt have a wepon requirement



DeathGuard -> RE: How to stop the OP Classes! (You can thank me later ^^) (7/1/2011 13:31:16)

@Summoner: I didnt said we need more energy neither weps but that our skill tree is basically coded at random, is like to paint a ugly house with crayons.



Tiago X -> RE: How to stop the OP Classes! (You can thank me later ^^) (7/1/2011 13:40:09)

I find it really awesome that the ones complaining are the ones who:
A) Are not able to change
B) Are able to change, but enjoy being a troll
C) Whinning is already a habit for them.
Also, TLM might be bery good, but they do have their weaknesses. I won't spoil them out for you though : )



Clutch -> RE: How to stop the OP Classes! (You can thank me later ^^) (7/1/2011 13:44:02)

Tiago were you around for the heal looping mage era? Thats my question. Because yeah, even they were beatable. But that did not mean they weren't overpowered. Overpowered means having an unfair advantage over the other builds. In other words, other class builds need to make builds focused on beating tactical mercs, while tactical mercs make builds to beat all others. That is what is truly considered overpowered.



DeathGuard -> RE: How to stop the OP Classes! (You can thank me later ^^) (7/1/2011 13:47:45)

^ So dam true. Anyways your sarcastic way to tell things tiago is a childish way you're not more than another player here you're not special and I suppose that with your low IQ, your build is copied from another.



Tiago X -> RE: How to stop the OP Classes! (You can thank me later ^^) (7/1/2011 14:03:03)

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Tiago were you around for the heal looping mage era? Thats my question. Because yeah, even they were beatable.

More like, I was around as one, and let me tell you, Heal looping mages were far more effective then today's Tactical Mercenaries.
Also, I do know what Overpowered is , the question is, did you complain during the STR hunter Opness era?



Mr. Black OP -> RE: How to stop the OP Classes! (You can thank me later ^^) (7/1/2011 16:13:32)

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Tiago were you around for the heal looping mage era? Thats my question. Because yeah, even they were beatable. But that did not mean they weren't overpowered. Overpowered means having an unfair advantage over the other builds. In other words, other class builds need to make builds focused on beating tactical mercs, while tactical mercs make builds to beat all others. That is what is truly considered overpowered.

so any 5 FOCUS build lol?



edwardvulture -> RE: How to stop the OP Classes! (You can thank me later ^^) (7/1/2011 16:53:07)

@Second post: Untrue Blood Mages can berzerk with staff



helloguy -> RE: How to stop the OP Classes! (You can thank me later ^^) (7/1/2011 17:27:29)

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Tiago were you around for the heal looping mage era? Thats my question. Because yeah, even they were beatable. But that did not mean they weren't overpowered. Overpowered means having an unfair advantage over the other builds. In other words, other class builds need to make builds focused on beating tactical mercs, while tactical mercs make builds to beat all others. That is what is truly considered overpowered.


Then make a build of your own that could handle Tactical mercs and several others at once i did



veneeria -> RE: How to stop the OP Classes! (You can thank me later ^^) (7/1/2011 18:09:36)

At some point, you just notice that you fighting the same person over and over again, because everyone has the same/similar build. And then there comes a guy with a build which can counter it and suddenly he becomes everyone too. (and yeah, he is called overpowered)

quote:

Tiago were you around for the heal looping mage era? Thats my question. Because yeah, even they were beatable. But that did not mean they weren't overpowered. Overpowered means having an unfair advantage over the other builds. In other words, other class builds need to make builds focused on beating tactical mercs, while tactical mercs make builds to beat all others. That is what is truly considered overpowered.


I was at that time, even being a bounty hunter like i am today, i never had problems against none, even though we were the "underpowered" of the time. The only strong builds i've seen until now were only the Str ones and even those, i can win.

Kinda agree, in a fight having good equipment is also important but having a plan and a fitting build to your style is also epic and mostly it is what makes me or even "you" win against a player of the same build as you : Thinking.



Tiago X -> RE: How to stop the OP Classes! (You can thank me later ^^) (7/1/2011 18:20:27)

Finnaly someone gets my point. THANK YOU. Now , can't you realise every class has ups and downs ? The secret is always think a move ahead , it's not that hard : )



tigura -> RE: How to stop the OP Classes! (You can thank me later ^^) (7/1/2011 18:31:48)

I agree. Maybe BMs and CHs just need to make some better builds...



PivotalDisorder -> RE: How to stop the OP Classes! (You can thank me later ^^) (7/1/2011 20:27:54)

lol at all the tactical mercs pretending they got it hard and its just noob mages and hunters :P

every nub and his grandma is tac merc. erm doesnt that tell you something ? no clearly it doesnt.
every build ive seen on tac mercs is brutal. mages doing ok and hunters still trying to find that magic build.
suppose that doesnt tell you anything either so Ill repost that quote from above. it was perfect.

quote:

other class builds need to make builds focused on beating tactical mercs, while tactical mercs make builds to beat all others. That is what is truly considered overpowered.


EDIT: and dont even get me started on tac merc juggernauts.



goldslayer1 -> RE: How to stop the OP Classes! (You can thank me later ^^) (7/1/2011 20:36:00)

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other class builds need to make builds focused on beating tactical mercs, while tactical mercs make builds to beat all others. That is what is truly considered overpowered.

or maybe u just lack in the "defense" where tac mercs are stronger at >.>
if u make tac mercs attacks not so effective against u. then ur most likely going to win.
its also about strategy.
u cant say heal loop was OP because it involved alot of strategy and calculating. like how much energy u would get with the next enemy attack and if it will be enough to heal u next turn. or knowing that if u attack ur enemy he will have enough energy for a heal when u could just wait it out for a turn and rage him the next one for the kill.
there were times when i fought mages with this situation where if i had attacked they would get energy to heal themselves. and if they did that i would have would have lost. so i waited the turn out and or use the weakest attack possible (like assaultbot with 0-2 focus) depending on the energy they have and rage them next turn for the win.
other thought of that before? skipping ur turn so that u can win the next? i doubt it.

so yeah play smart and with strategy. try to think ahead of ur enemy.



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