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Yo son -> Really ED? Really !! (7/26/2011 17:20:46)

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Seriously; can someone please tell me if TLM class is an experiment, where the staff decided to take every great/Oped build that ever existed in ED, and decided to give it to one class and make it 10 times deadlier.

Support TLM-Will Heal loop better than any mage, on top of that, the have hybrid to back up their defense, and a really deadly artillery.

Strength TLM- Beats any strength builds in this game, even the king of Strength builds BHs, on top of that, the have reroute, which allows them to smoke multiple times, double strike 2-3 times in a match, Stun attempt 2-3 times in a game; and even use frenzy.

Poison TLM-Will beat the fudge out of a poison BH, Hybird, reroute, and the ability to tank.

Tank TLM- An even deadlier/ more annoying version of tank merc.

On top of that, you guys decided to make frenzy a club weapon, now every strength TLM out thier uses the Delta weapons; debufff, over debuff, over debuff.

What do you call it, when a player with reflex boost have 36-45 defense and he gets block by a strength TLM with 19-23 defense; not once, but twice; or what do you call it when a player with 9-11 aux damage goes first against a player with 17-21 aux damage or 19-23+ aux damage? and it keeps happening over and over again; I call it Programing failure. if it happens once or twice is cool, but when it keeps happening every match, that out of 20 matches against a strength TLM, the player with the way higher support goes first only 3-4 times, that creates pure frustration.
Instead of locking this post, why don't you actually do something better; like fix the issue maybe?

Why do I even play this game? Games are for leisure, and every time I log on to ED, I feel the exact opposite.

And please don't comment on this if ur a TLM, because when power is involved everyone can be selfish.



Chosen 0ne -> RE: Really ED? Really !! (7/26/2011 17:24:57)

Pretty awesome huh? :D



Lenofor -> RE: Really ED? Really !! (7/26/2011 17:25:19)

I would indicate playing AQW a bit since the mechanics there are fair and it's a more social game but from what i understand i would be breaking a forum rule by advertising another game i belive. So the best to do is adapt to this and hope the devs do something



Elf Priest JZaanu -> RE: Really ED? Really !! (7/26/2011 17:26:01)

Yo Son, You had seen all the things I had seen, when I first looked at all the skills of this class.

The only explanation I can give you why this class is the premium one out of the now 6, it is class change and new sales.

This new class is a Super Hybrid of the original three.



Larcell -> RE: Really ED? Really !! (7/26/2011 17:27:42)

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Pretty awesome huh? :D


Yes. Probably the only class where there are A LOT of build choices. [:D]



Frostbud -> RE: Really ED? Really !! (7/26/2011 17:29:08)

I am a TLM and agree with you 100%...sometimes people complain about their class being UP'd because they dont put effort into making a build, they just copy..But TLM seriously Beats all the classes and is extremely OP. Yes all classes should have their advantages...but if one person loses they claim a class is OP which ruins this game greatly.



PivotalDisorder -> RE: Really ED? Really !! (7/26/2011 17:31:15)

and yet if you believe certain players, tactical merc is perfectly balanced



PowerMega -> RE: Really ED? Really !! (7/26/2011 17:32:02)

Seriously though, why the hell was Tactical Merc given all the given best passive skills/skills from every class in the game.

Like seriously, Hybrid Armor, Reroute, Toxic Grenade(Basiclly poison), and Smoke Screen?!?!

Not to mention that super version of Blood Lust..."Frenzy", even with the energy cost is just too game breaking for the amount of damage they hit, there was just reckless planning done when they made this class.



Calogero -> RE: Really ED? Really !! (7/26/2011 17:32:50)

Don't bother mate


We know Tact mercs are Op'd

Most Tact Merc Knows it aswell but don't want to be nerved at all

Devs know but keep saying it's balanced


been easy wins for the Tacts for 3 weeks now, every build I tried ( only 2 builds as a BM btw ) failed easely against the many builds of Tact Merc



goldslayer1 -> RE: Really ED? Really !! (7/26/2011 17:33:22)

well IMO
tactical merc does have build choices (most are roots expanding from 5 focus)
however i do feel that maybe they could remove technician.
it just isn't right for it to have technician when it has hybrid, it doesn't need more tanking.


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Not to mention that super version of Blood Lust..."Frenzy", even with the energy cost is just too game breaking for the amount of damage they hit, there just reckless planning done when they made this class.

it can be blocked and has a 3 turn cool down.
by the time u actually need it, u wont last long enough to use it again as the match is most likely to be over.



Larcell -> RE: Really ED? Really !! (7/26/2011 17:35:26)

@PowerMega

Toxic Grenade and Smoke Screen aren't passive skills. Also, I wouldn't saay Frenzy is a "super version" of Blood Lust. Blood Lust is passive; whereas Frenzy requires energy and has a cooldown. Also, Blood Lust can't be blocked, whereas Frenzy can.



PowerMega -> RE: Really ED? Really !! (7/26/2011 17:37:54)

You seemed to have forgot the part where i mentioned Hybrid Armor, Reroute, Toxic Grenade and Smokescreen, seriously some players are oblivious.

Also I said Passive Skills/skills, so no one would get confused....



AQWPlayer -> RE: Really ED? Really !! (7/26/2011 17:43:07)

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by the time u actually need it, u wont last long enough to use it again as the match is most likely to be over.

By the time it can be used again, you have already won the match -.-



Larcell -> RE: Really ED? Really !! (7/26/2011 17:44:59)

@PowerMega

Well, I'm sorry. Very much so.



Yo son -> RE: Really ED? Really !! (7/26/2011 17:57:02)

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by the time u actually need it, u wont last long enough to use it again as the match is most likely to be over.

Last time I checked, mercs/ TLM had the longest survivability rate, so, chances are that by the time the get to use it again, I will be dead, not them.



helloguy -> RE: Really ED? Really !! (7/26/2011 18:02:00)

But now who will be using all those skills at once

I'm telling you any one can beat em



edwardvulture -> RE: Really ED? Really !! (7/26/2011 18:12:01)

You know their win % wouldn't be so high if every other class didn't press one on one.



Infinity Everlasting -> RE: Really ED? Really !! (7/26/2011 18:19:54)

Everyone ranks tactical mercenary as OPed (and it is) but somehow 5 focus bounties never get mentioned. They are capable of defeating 3/4 builds that you posted with emp+heal combo. The only build that is truly overpowered would be poison+tank build because it is able to counter pretty much any build with less than 125 hp, maybe a high hp BH build can win over a poison tactical merc with emp but I have yet to test it out.

@Below- You use the delta destroyers which loose out to frostbite claws because it gives 0 dex and an unecessary amount of sup. Maybe you can try a 139 hp str build, because high hp counters poison and 139 hp gives you more turns for SA to function and give you a few blocks.



PumKing -> RE: Really ED? Really !! (7/26/2011 18:20:15)

@Yo Son, glad someone said it before me, but yes, str TLM does beat str BH, I have an awsome str BH build, and just to prove it, here it is

HP: 113
MP: 59
STR: 56(+30)
DEX: 43(+31)
TECH: 36(+28)
SUP: 32(+23)

Delta Daggers, Frostbolt Blaster, Space Warrior E, Eggzooka, Assault Bot

1-1-7
2-8-2
0-1-7
5-1-0

This awsome build is wrecked by str mercs, who usually go first with lower support and having it in extra def and res because at that point they fear no crit

@Infinity Everlasting, who are you kidding? I don't know what kind of TLM you are, but the only way that is remotely possible is if you are a non-var TLM, there tanking skills and reroute allow for the emp grenade to be pretty much COMPLETELY ineffectual. And nice way to stick to one particular weapon, but shighing away from your destructive, you can only win with one weapon logic, 1.my build still kicks but (which you haven't denied) 2.higher hp wouldnt help because then I would have to lower my def and res more



Dendavex -> RE: Really ED? Really !! (7/26/2011 18:21:10)

This is good thats what all class need
Yo son
you are selfish



Yo son -> RE: Really ED? Really !! (7/26/2011 18:46:27)

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You know their win % wouldn't be so high if every other class didn't press one on one.


This situation isn't any difference in 2vs2; and I really feel sorry for those players who get them in Jugg.

rulers of all 3 leader-boards; what does that say, and yes +5 focus BH are deadly,1, being because of SA. but, I don't fight them every single match, their isn't that many of them. Compare +5 focus BH, with +5 TLM, or Strenght TLM or Tank TLM, they would be considered rare; just like most of the classes.

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This is good thats what all class need
Yo son
you are selfish


Yeah, sure am selfish; having over 300 lost after Delta, and yet not switching class like most of the players I know. Thats pure selfishness.

sorry for double post.



Epic Pwnser -> RE: Really ED? Really !! (7/26/2011 18:54:24)

Well it isn't ED's fault as stated in the title. It's the developer's fault (titan and nightwraith) for making such a class.
Anyone can start off with a rant about how it's all "greed" and stuff, but this class is just pushing the limit too far. As stated by Yo Son, any build that another class can make is even better with the TLM class. Hybrid+Reroute is just too powerful of a class, two passives, in combination with the delta maul+frenzy is a sort of Frankenstein's monster.
This needs to change and pretty much, a lot of forumers would also agree.
The statistics say this is true as well. You can see masses heading to become a TLM, this proves, without a doubt, that CHANGE is NEEDED.
I say this as a tech mage.
And even if you say, but oh, ANYONE can be defeated. Look a little farther than your own personable bubble and you'll see that, when pondered with reasonable and an educated mind, the tide tilts to the TLM's favor EVERY battle.



PumKing -> RE: Really ED? Really !! (7/26/2011 20:14:28)

it still boggles my mind that all the new classes ALL lost their class defining passive ability, blood mage lost reroute, cyber hunter lost blood lust, but TLM not only KEPT hybrid armor but kept it in same 1ST teir spot



PowerMega -> RE: Really ED? Really !! (7/26/2011 20:16:22)

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As stated by Yo Son, any build that another class can make is even better with the TLM class.


^Thank you, as I have also said before in another post, any build a class can make , Tactical Mercenaries do it better. Idk about anyone else but if alot are sany the same thing, there has to be truth to it.



Wootz -> RE: Really ED? Really !! (7/26/2011 20:16:44)

Well, I've seen them getting beat with a Support TM.



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