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Banir -> Down with Double Strike! (7/27/2011 1:51:08)

Yeah Double Strike; not Hybrid Armor or Reroute. This skill has potential to do massive damage for TacMercs.
For normal Mercenaries the skill is average at best being easily overshadowed by Berserk. However, when paired with Smokescreen the 30% increase to damage is devastating.
To add, the skill takes nearly no energy to use, and has a short cooldown for multiple uses with reroute.
I think that removing it would effectively nerf TacMercs down to a more realistic level of strength.

I've already posted this on the Suggestions and want to know everyone's opinion on this.



King FrostLich -> RE: Down with Double Strike! (7/27/2011 1:54:06)

Most mercs have a lvl 1 double strike costing 15 mana to use. Depending on how much mana they have left and when they will use, it is deadly that is unless you have better dex than them even when your smoked. Plus, not all mercs use double strike anyway. Most of them do smokescreen and then strike or do any of their weapons which does physical damage so nerfing double strike won't do anything that much to Tact Mercs.



Fatal Impact -> RE: Down with Double Strike! (7/27/2011 2:52:48)

Good Idea!

Replace double strike with Berserker!



EDTrickster -> RE: Down with Double Strike! (7/27/2011 2:58:37)

quote:

Good Idea!

Replace double strike with Berserker!


Are you crazy?!?!?!, anyways to the topic at hand, I don't think taking away double strike from tactical merc would make that much of a difference considering they have so many other options to fall back on if double strike was ever removed.



Thylek Shran -> RE: Down with Double Strike! (7/27/2011 3:40:59)

Yes i think its a good idea to remove Double Strike but replace it with what ?
Bountys have Cheap Shot and DS is much stronger.

TaM still have Maul which does cost only 12 energy but can stun and ignores
20% def/res but requires a club, cost an extra skill point and has 1 turn more
cooldown.

Its essential that Hybrid Armor or Reroute gets removed from them but it
could be an addiditon to remove DS too. I just dont know which skill could
replace it because nothing seems to fit. What about removing Reroute and
DS and replacing them by Static Charge and Stun Grenade (DEX) ? In addition
Hybrid Armor could get replaced by Defense Matrix(SUP) if thats still not enough.




Fatal Impact -> RE: Down with Double Strike! (7/27/2011 3:43:54)

@above: wow sounds like you really want to cripple the TLM



EDluyil -> RE: Down with Double Strike! (7/27/2011 4:37:22)

^

quote:

Good Idea!

Replace double strike with Berserker!


You obviously want to make tact mercs even more oped.




Thylek Shran -> RE: Down with Double Strike! (7/27/2011 6:04:42)

@Fatal Impact

Its called balance. Atm TaM are overpowered and nearly every player agrees with that.



kwj3 -> RE: Down with Double Strike! (7/27/2011 6:20:37)

To achieve balance I think we need to make all the other classes OP to the point of TLM Power.



Banir -> RE: Down with Double Strike! (7/27/2011 7:42:46)

Crippling Tactical Mercenaries is exactly the point. They're just too strong at this point. No other class can compete as well.



Razen -> RE: Down with Double Strike! (7/27/2011 7:45:27)

@kwj3: I think you'd be happy to know that's what they're trying to do.

Anyways, there are FAR worse things on Tactical Mercenary than Double Strike.



redxtra -> RE: Down with Double Strike! (7/27/2011 9:07:55)

@Razen

agreed theres smoke, frenzy, reroute.



Razen -> RE: Down with Double Strike! (7/27/2011 9:10:08)

As I recall, Mercs got HA because they lacked a debuff and a Dex/tech buff, so they got that instead...but I see no reason why Tact Merc has it then if the former reasons were true besides the obvious to make a blatantly overpowered class.



Remorse -> RE: Down with Double Strike! (7/27/2011 9:54:55)

I like this idea,
It will surely give a stop to alot of powerful TLM builds but what to change it with??
It would have to be something not as good, maybe cheap shot (without claws req. of coarse)

They should also get their maul changed aswell.
TLM can be tank and have rerout as long as they have less power as a disadvantage so take maul and give em stun grenade.




Dendavex -> RE: Down with Double Strike! (7/27/2011 9:58:34)

@Remorse you just dont get it
TLM isnt getting nerfed other classes are getting buffed to its standard for god sakes



AQWPlayer -> RE: Down with Double Strike! (7/27/2011 10:03:42)

I rather see TLMs nerfed worse than TM than to see all other classes buffed [:@]



Dendavex -> RE: Down with Double Strike! (7/27/2011 10:05:40)

@AQWPlayer go back and play aqw your trying to kill ED



Remorse -> RE: Down with Double Strike! (7/27/2011 10:09:59)

Dendavex.

I know whats happening and i dont care what you say I'm allow to say what i think.

I know that MOST LIKELY out come is the other classes will all get buffed.
That doesn't mean I have to agree, or say what I think should happen.
Who know maybe it will have an influence.

So stop trying to flame players. Don'T you realise that This is what is ruining ED not people who have the right to say their own opinion.



Dendavex -> RE: Down with Double Strike! (7/27/2011 10:15:49)

Remorse.
Sure let they're opinions happen adn kill the game what will you say then ??



Remorse -> RE: Down with Double Strike! (7/27/2011 10:23:37)

^
Or what if what if no one gives sugestions and we let the devs implant everything.
I'm not saying they dont do a good job but they have created their own balance issues many times (Enhacements, Focus, Agialty, Requirements)

Or what if Some one sugested something and it worked really well yet they didn't implant it??

What will YOU say then??

Persides sugestions are SUGESTIONS nothing thats the devs think won't work won't be implanted.
Thier is nothing wrong with giving ideas to people to help them think of thier own.

OH! and a side note The devs actuly want to nerf TLM's but are resorted to Buffing all the other classes just to prevent others from complaining (that proberly includes you)

And to answer your question the situation as unlikely as it is but il answer it anyway.
IF and oppion happens and it kills the game ... then they'll juts remove it...



1st Horseman -> RE: Down with Double Strike! (7/27/2011 10:31:58)

Actually double strike is down then up.



PivotalDisorder -> RE: Down with Double Strike! (7/27/2011 11:06:19)

what about replacing it with bludgeon ? should do less damage overall than double strike.

altho I personally think leave it as it is. they need enough merc skills to stop em becoming a completely new class.
take hybrid though, thats fine. all those pro players like goldslayer and angels holocaust will recover Im sure :P



Midnightsoul -> RE: Down with Double Strike! (7/27/2011 11:36:08)

@ 1st Horseman

LOL


(back on topic)

well, double strike could stay therr.. but, if u want it to be rrplaced, it should be bunker buster...or something else



Thylek Shran -> RE: Down with Double Strike! (7/27/2011 11:47:03)

@Dendavex
quote:


@Remorse you just dont get it
TLM isnt getting nerfed other classes are getting buffed to its standard for god sakes

Is this an official information or just a rumor ?



1st Horseman -> RE: Down with Double Strike! (7/27/2011 11:49:08)

@Thylek Shran it is official in the dns the staff have been trying to buff other classes



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