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TurkishIncubus -> Ratios (10/2/2011 12:12:19)

Do you still care ratio? and Do you think Ratio still show who is pro ?

My Answer:

My new strategy is if i can do fast npcing and kill non variums its fine because Varium vs Varium matches turned into Luck vs Luck , and the ppl with high ratio probably use brainwash or use the slowest build in game(healloop)

Also there is a group in game that thinks they are pro when they kill a fast build with a slow build.
My Build Speed - Ratio chart:


aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaStr Buildaaaaaaaaa5 Focus TankaaaaaaaaaSupport Build
Build Speed:aaaaaFast Kills aaaaaaaaaaNormal KillsaaaaaaaaaaaaSlowest Kills
Build Ratio:aaaaaLowest RatioaaaaaaaaAverage RatioaaaaaaaaaaHighest Ratio

so i think when you fight 10 min and get 1 win (Support build) is not logical but those guys have the highest % , i prefer to winning and losing quickly to get more wins

in my opinion high % builds are worst than low ratio builds.



Wraith -> RE: Ratios (10/2/2011 12:20:30)

I see it this way:

TLM with a brain has highest
TLM without a brain
BH Focus/STR
TM everything except pure sup/str
BH anything else
TM everything else
Blood Mage
Cyber Hunter

But currently:

Everyone with a high ratio NPCs. So I'm sure that those ppl with high ratio fake it.



goldslayer1 -> RE: Ratios (10/2/2011 12:20:38)

i think support can be pretty fast.
recently i been seeing people with 147-159 support builds with maxx artillery and one hell of an aux.
the aux it self does 40-50 non crit and usualy 60-70 crits.
if ur a 95 hp user u can easily get 2 turned by extreme support



Xx. Christian .xX -> RE: Ratios (10/2/2011 12:30:13)

i think str build with energy primary and secondary in jugg have a good ratio and a fast kill



goldslayer1 -> RE: Ratios (10/2/2011 12:31:24)

@reyes
mages with high res would destroy u in jugg.



nico0las -> RE: Ratios (10/2/2011 12:59:55)

Back when I was tactical, I would win a battle (as a support mercenary) in 3-4 turns. Str mercenary took around 4 (smoke, maul, frenzy, double).

The builds you use to have a high ratio DO tend to be long, though. I use a focus hunter, with a 85-90% win rate, but my battles last around 2-3 minutes, whilst my str build has a 60% rate, but I win in under a minute.

Yes, the higher your kill speed, he lower your ratio.

Cyber hunter is actually very good. I don't think they should sit way down there. No, they aren't the most common class, but they're very good.
Blood mage has a high kill speed, but a low ratio.



FrostHS -> RE: Ratios (10/2/2011 13:04:03)

Hey Turkish, If Cyber is at the bottom then how did i beat you? Lol. But yea Cyber is great in 1v1 if you have the right build, I win atleast 90% of the time, if not more.



goldslayer1 -> RE: Ratios (10/2/2011 13:21:14)

@frost
u ever heard of luck?
and bad luck?



FrostHS -> RE: Ratios (10/2/2011 13:42:19)

And how was it luck? Because I blocked? That's not luck it's called Dex and that's like saying tact mercs never get lucky wich is BS.



goldslayer1 -> RE: Ratios (10/2/2011 13:52:02)

@frost
dex huh?
i had a build with 106 dex and a smokescreen that takes away 36 dex
i smoked this support mage with 62 dex and he blocks the smokescreen. it takes away 36 so he has 26 dex left.
then he blocks me another 2 times with 26 dex when i have 106. not only that, he also has the pleasure of critting me twice for a 3 turn win
dont give me the dex crap because it doesn't work. its clearly just that some people are luckier than others.

for example i fought several low lvls with nearly around 30-40 dex
when i smoke them they have little to nothing dex.
on several occasion most have blocked me atleast twice when i still had 106 dex



FrostHS -> RE: Ratios (10/2/2011 14:03:15)

Yes, I know Dex is somewhat broken, but i blocked him the entire game wich was amusing. The Dev's really need to fix the luck factor



goldslayer1 -> RE: Ratios (10/2/2011 14:38:51)

@frost
so u admit u won by luck and ur amused by it -.-
ur the type of person i would reply with "if u wont by luck, its not gg" " and of u gloat about "beating" someone when u got lucky then i think ur a noob"



FrostHS -> RE: Ratios (10/2/2011 14:44:38)

Kso. I don't really care that you're calling me a noob. Lol.



goldslayer1 -> RE: Ratios (10/2/2011 14:49:41)

@frost
i never called u a noob. read it right.
now ur contradicting urself and making false claims and accusing me of flaming and trolling.



Clutch -> RE: Ratios (10/2/2011 15:09:39)

Goldslayer and Frost, lets stop acting like we're five guys. On topic: Yeah the game is clearly broken with TLMs. But i'd also rather prefer more wins with a couple of losses than 10 minute luck fests.



Oba -> RE: Ratios (10/2/2011 15:11:10)

@Goldslayer1, It is not a win by luck if someone as Hunter with high dexterity block you. Nor is it really luck if you crit with a high support build. Hunters also have Shadow Arts which improves the block chance even more.
But yes, the crit, block and deflection system is messed up and the devs seem to not care about it, since its been as this for a very long time now. Yet there is not a "win by luck" if a bounty/cyber hunter blocks you.



goldslayer1 -> RE: Ratios (10/2/2011 15:13:26)

quote:

It is not a win by luck if someone as Hunter with high dexterity block you. Nor is it really luck if you crit with a high support build. Hunters also have Shadow Arts which improves the block chance even more.
But yes, the crit, block and deflection system is messed up and the devs seem to not care about it, since its been as this for a very long time now. Yet there is not a "win by luck" if a bounty/cyber hunter blocks you.

i think u mis understood
im the BH with 106 dex and the 36 smokescreen
and support should not be critting more than once a match.
the matches last 4-5 turns and they usually crit 2-3 times on average thats 40%-60% crit chance in that match
and its extremely absurd



Oba -> RE: Ratios (10/2/2011 15:29:14)

quote:

i think u mis understood
im the BH with 106 dex and the 36 smokescreen
and support should not be critting more than once a match.
the matches last 4-5 turns and they usually crit 2-3 times on average thats 40%-60% crit chance in that match
and its extremely absurd


Im currently a STR TLM, with a very low amount of support. Still I dosent get critted 2-3 times each battle which lasts about 4 rounds. Sometimes (very rare) do I get critted 2 times a battle tho. But as I said earlier (and you) is the "luck" system all messed up.



Mr.Pablo Jr. -> RE: Ratios (10/2/2011 15:35:18)

Ratios, wins, what's the point anymore? At the end of the day what dpes this prove? Pros have good and bad days, likewise with other normal players. Ratios and wins shouldn't matter that much anymore, playing as I see fit is something I am content with, not obsessing over losses or how slow my build is.



FrostHS -> RE: Ratios (10/2/2011 15:37:23)

Okay, first, Gold, Truce.
Second, the game would be so much better if say you crit twice, then possibly, heal goes into 1 more turn of cooldown? Just a suggestion seeing that only Tacts are critting



goldslayer1 -> RE: Ratios (10/2/2011 15:38:24)

@frost
see this is what i hate
people blaming tacs saying they are OP because of things like unballanced RNG
tac aren't the only ones.
tech mages aswell.



voidance -> RE: Ratios (10/2/2011 15:50:42)

I never Npc unless I have a good reason so my ratio isn't the best which also means No, idc about my ratio.


On a sidenote I think people that use builds like the heal loop build would rather win then have fun otherwise why copy a abuse build?



goldslayer1 -> RE: Ratios (10/2/2011 15:53:54)

@voidance
maybe he likes to have fun with heal loop?
maybe he likes a challenge.
idk lol



voidance -> RE: Ratios (10/2/2011 15:56:40)

Wasn't ment to directly bash Heal Looping I was using that as a example since its the current build to abuse. I was referring to all that switch from abuse build to abuse build. And yes there might be some that enjoy heal looping but 99.9% of them are just going for brain dead wins.



FrostHS -> RE: Ratios (10/2/2011 21:20:46)

^ I enjoy heal looping with my Cyber lol.



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