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King FrostLich -> Ghoul Cannon and Spectral Blaster, unworthy this year? (10/4/2011 7:00:12)

Halloween is fast approaching and the 2 bazookas from last year's event are coming back but I've noticed that these 2 rares aren't powerful anymore. With the serpent blasters, shark bazookas and the remaining eggzookas people still carry, the halloween bazookas wouldn't even match their power and stat modifiers anymore. My opinion in this point is that if they were to become varium, it's pointless for 3 reasons:

1.) Weaker than the previous rare bazookas. Just look at the serpent blasters. They are ALWAYS available at the Exile Leader and are more powerful by 2 damage(8 or 10 or 12 support points more depending on how much support you have) while the halloween bazookas only have decent looks since mages and hunters wearing the serpent bazookas seem to look like hanging in mid-air.

2.) More expensive. Last year's Halloween weapons cost 1500 varium while the shark bazookas and serpent blasters cost 995 varium. Even if fully enhanced, the Halloween bazookas are more expensive and less needed.

3.) Appears once a year. It's a rare and since it won't get buffed like what Wiseman stated, stats and damage remain the same though I'm not sure about the prices.


My silly(or not) opinion here is to make them credit cost(good for non variums and a semi weaker version of Pirate Cannon). If you notice Epicduel's population, less than 1% of the varium people are even wearing those bazookas these days and even if they are going to be released in a few weeks, I highly doubt these bazookas will even be used since the serpent blasters are always there in Exile Leader.



PenyihiR -> RE: Ghoul Cannon and Spectral Blaster, unworthy this year? (10/4/2011 7:12:01)

i agreed with U Frostlich..,

I have Other Opinion.,
Make it 2 version of them.., ( Credits Version n Varium Version )

The Credits version not Buffed Each Year..,(Or Buffed Sometimes )
n make Varium Version Buffed Each Year...,



King FrostLich -> RE: Ghoul Cannon and Spectral Blaster, unworthy this year? (10/4/2011 7:13:15)

No buffs are gonna be given. It would just make players rely on one item each year.



Gepard Acht -> RE: Ghoul Cannon and Spectral Blaster, unworthy this year? (10/4/2011 7:14:20)

well considering the wep reqs are for lvl 28, which means lvl 24 can use it for 32 dmg, so i think its still worth it (for lower lvls of course)



drinde -> RE: Ghoul Cannon and Spectral Blaster, unworthy this year? (10/4/2011 7:15:51)

Well, they would make great new versions of Carrierzooka and Graphite Gun. I like it! they would hafta do something bout the rarity score though. And refund Varium?



T.600 -> RE: Ghoul Cannon and Spectral Blaster, unworthy this year? (10/4/2011 7:19:24)

Remember that they're level 28 zookas, so you wouldn't expect them to be better than level 33 auxillaries, regardless of rarity. I agree that the prices of the Ghoul Cannon and Spectral Blaster are way too high, and no one would buy them this year if they were re-released at that same price. If they were made into non-varium auxillaries, then that wouldn't be fair to the people who bought them last year. To be honest, I would either lower their cost this year, make them into perma rares or buff them and make them into level 33 auxillaries. I know that the devs and balance team have a policy against buffs, but a buff would still be appropriate in this instance just to make these auxillaries have a decent amount of stat modifiers and damage. It would encourage other players to buy them each year as well. I highly doubt that any of the thing I stated will happen because; they don't want to lose money, they don't want to 'waste' art and they are againt buffing. Who knows what will happen? But whatever happens, I hope it's for the best :P.



King FrostLich -> RE: Ghoul Cannon and Spectral Blaster, unworthy this year? (10/4/2011 7:19:40)

Drinde, most people bought it by the 10k package. When eggzookas came, everyone AUTOMATICALLY switched to it and the halloween zookas became near extinction. I don't know really but as far as I remember on October, that was the day when support mercs came and dominated 1v1. But most of them used cyber dragon and the other dragon cannon(physical version) rather than the halloween zookas so I don't think refund is really necessary since most people have already loved their eggzookas so much.



PenyihiR -> RE: Ghoul Cannon and Spectral Blaster, unworthy this year? (10/4/2011 7:19:45)

@Frostlich Well.., I mean not given them a Big Buff.., Or The Devs Should make a Other Better Promo Item..,



King FrostLich -> RE: Ghoul Cannon and Spectral Blaster, unworthy this year? (10/4/2011 7:23:09)

quote:

Make it 2 version of them.., ( Credits Version n Varium Version )


Either make Ghoul Cannon and Spectral Blaster both credit cost and make 2 extra zookas or the devs can make them remain varium and make weaker versions of them for non variums but a +35 seasonal rare bazooka for non variums in Halloween isn't what the non variums will be wanting when that day comes since Exile leader also sells Overlord Shotguns with that kind of damage and even if you compare their stats, the bazookas in Exile leader are still better.



ansh0 -> RE: Ghoul Cannon and Spectral Blaster, unworthy this year? (10/4/2011 7:26:50)

Agreed, I haven't seen anyone with those 2 zookas in bout 4-6 months.I doubt that there are some people who bought it,haven't sold it yet.or maybe add a special effect to them making them worthy of buying.




~black spidey



Darkoake445 -> RE: Ghoul Cannon and Spectral Blaster, unworthy this year? (10/4/2011 7:28:34)

I think that they shouldn't bring them back at all. Instead just create a new promotional package consisting of two guns considering we've only ever had one package like that.



King FrostLich -> RE: Ghoul Cannon and Spectral Blaster, unworthy this year? (10/4/2011 7:39:27)

Packages are just gonna increase the gap of non varium and varium again. And of course, you don't want edwardvulture to remake "The Gap III" in this forum because of a lousy package that's going to have 10% 1 hit KO chance. Adding a special effect could be a good idea but what effect? Chance to crit? Deflect? Stun? Curse?(too overpowered) block?(too weird) The best way in my opinion is turning them into credit cost. Besides, if it were to happen, only a few rich non variums like New Hope, JariTheMighty, Doctus etc. would buy it because they have tons of wins and credits to back it up for enhancements. Some would want it for its damage, looks and for old non varium players who are still non varium and see that the halloween zookas turn credit cost would be overjoyed.(unless they turned varium and find it weak)



ansh0 -> RE: Ghoul Cannon and Spectral Blaster, unworthy this year? (10/4/2011 7:42:44)

@lich

The special effect should be "Fear" which causes an opponent, inflicted with Fear will do 5 less damage for 4 turns.





~black spidey



King FrostLich -> RE: Ghoul Cannon and Spectral Blaster, unworthy this year? (10/4/2011 7:47:18)

5 damage(20, 25 or 30 str points drained) would be intimidate that is unblockable and has a chance to happen. Not a very bad effect but it's gonna make the variums mad as well for those who don't have it but I do like it in a way. 5 damage decreased for 4 turns = 20 hp saved isn't bad either but not very effective if going against a person who does skills doing % of increased damage.



ansh0 -> RE: Ghoul Cannon and Spectral Blaster, unworthy this year? (10/4/2011 7:51:57)

When going against somebody using a % based skill,it will lower it's power to that of a normal strike or a lower level of that skill thus giving you some extra protection against strong attacks.the effect applies to ALL attacks(aux,skills etc.)
And has a 10% chance to occur,which in my eyes is fair enough as you can only use you aux once per 3 turns and also October is 10th month in the calendar.


EDITED the last part read again


~black spidey



King FrostLich -> RE: Ghoul Cannon and Spectral Blaster, unworthy this year? (10/4/2011 7:56:20)

Effects(even yours or my opinions of it being released) will make ED even more luck based. Do not forget if you're the one wishing for the effect "Fear" to happen on those bazookas and it's going to be credit cost, expect support mercs, heal looping/support mages, cyber hunters and balanced build blood mages to also buy that bazooka for the non variums.



ansh0 -> RE: Ghoul Cannon and Spectral Blaster, unworthy this year? (10/4/2011 7:59:49)

Read my last post again.you can only use your aux one per 3 turns and 10% is NOT common.



King FrostLich -> RE: Ghoul Cannon and Spectral Blaster, unworthy this year? (10/4/2011 8:11:46)

No. No matter what effect or anything you'll have to do with those zookas, it's not gonna be good if you place an effect on it even if it means adding cooldowns, warm-ups, extra attacks etc. to anything about it. The main point in here is the bazookas' existence and what happens if they will be released, not buffing them or adding effects. As Wiseman stated,(which Lord Barrius took his topic)
quote:


As a general rule, no buffs will be granted to rare items. This is regardless of their status as Limited, Seasonal, Promotional, etc. In order to achieve a more balanced system of play, buffs cannot be guaranteed or handed out on a regular basis. This policy has been decided by the game staff and is not likely to change. However, if you feel that your case is especially strong, that is, you have numbers and evidence to support your conclusions, you are welcome to contact the game staff using this forum's PM system to discuss it more thoroughly. Keep in mind that the game staff cannot promise that your case will be followed through upon, as the game's balance will take precedence over personal requests for the sake of all of the game's vast player base.


True, that you may see the words "not likely to change" which means 40% could be buffed however, too much of epicduel has been ruined in the past months. Look at what happened to Gamma, agility came, field medic cooldown was increased by 1 and everyone struggled to make a good build with low hp. I am saying to maintain balance as well, not add more stuff that will increase luck factor.



SouL Prisoner -> RE: Ghoul Cannon and Spectral Blaster, unworthy this year? (10/4/2011 9:37:08)

the idea of not buffing one reallly bad .. whoever thought of it was relly not thinking about the prob's that could be caused ...

not buffing means . the reason of seasonal rare is not working out coz it should match the powers of the present weapons ...


if no buffing , that means they hve to release new seasonal rare every year , and not repeat them , and doing this will no more call those weapons seasonal rare.... y u cant repeat them???


ill give an example .. when last year the dragon con weapon were introduced and that year it was worth buying ,coz it was pretty much the strongest weapons in the game , but when it was released this year , it was the weaker weapon ,comparing to the present weapons it had ..... and concluding this **** its tottaly pointless to release dragon weapons next year ,coz they would xtremly be the weak weapons ... .so nobody would even buy them , except the new players who need the achievement , thats all...


in end, removing buff is = to removing the meaning of seasonal rare.!!!



Elf Priest JZaanu -> RE: Ghoul Cannon and Spectral Blaster, unworthy this year? (10/4/2011 12:36:24)

I personally think these should go perma-rare. Package promos should not be released again. These types of items pose problems because of the in-game premium costs, and also carries the exclusive tag cause it was also available for package deal.

The game should have returning seasonal items, and one item that is slated for Perma-rare.



nico0las -> RE: Ghoul Cannon and Spectral Blaster, unworthy this year? (10/4/2011 21:42:13)

Although Promos are nice (the GOOD ones, such as the swords or Eggzookas), the Halloween cannons have become obsolete. Although they are the best looking bazookas in-game, they are weak compared to their Easter counterparts, or even all other seasonal bazookas.
The spectral blaster is hands down my favorite item. It's very good looking, but it's useless now, excluding the rarity score.

I remain impartial to making these bazookas perma-rare. If they do, they weren't that good anyway. If they don't, chances are I won't buy them.

T.600 Does raise a good point. The bazookas ARE level 28. I am positive there are level 24-30 who would die to use one of them. They are far more beneficial to the weaker population, instead of us 33s.

Again, if they go or not, I don't care very much. They're good looking, yes. But besides that, they simply take up inventory.



Midnightsoul -> RE: Ghoul Cannon and Spectral Blaster, unworthy this year? (10/4/2011 22:01:29)

i can name u one that still uses them. my friend .Cocosugar.
=]



King FrostLich -> RE: Ghoul Cannon and Spectral Blaster, unworthy this year? (10/5/2011 1:29:11)

quote:

I personally think these should go perma-rare. Package promos should not be released again.


Which is why JZ, these shouldn't be made promos in 10k package or available at varium cost. No one is gonna buy them unless they are credit cost but I'm not sure what will happen if they do make it credit cost.

quote:

The spectral blaster is hands down my favorite item. It's very good looking, but it's useless now, excluding the rarity score.

I remain impartial to making these bazookas perma-rare. If they do, they weren't that good anyway. If they don't, chances are I won't buy them.

T.600 Does raise a good point. The bazookas ARE level 28. I am positive there are level 24-30 who would die to use one of them. They are far more beneficial to the weaker population, instead of us 33s.


They can change the level requirement. After all, Kurz Elite used to be a +29 damage energy gun now it's +31 so I think the devs can change the coding.



Baron Dante -> RE: Ghoul Cannon and Spectral Blaster, unworthy this year? (10/5/2011 3:11:03)

If they are truly too expensive for what they do (I won't say anything on that, as I don't know), and the only way they'd be worth it was changing the price, the price can only be changed if it is only credits (In this case, they are not). Thus, it's a much better point to just have them rare, and possibly releasing "new" versions with a different name and stats/pricing. The art could be the same though.



Wootz -> RE: Ghoul Cannon and Spectral Blaster, unworthy this year? (10/5/2011 5:52:29)

SavageScream still uses one :)

IMO the old one should be brought back for F2P's.
And the Devs should make a buffed version of it for the Promo package.



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