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gangster a -> tech mages secretly OP (2/1/2012 9:39:30)

well yes they are beacuse the super charge ignores resistence and it also gives them back some health so lets say when i smoke them they put on defence matrix we strike it gets blocked then the malf us then we heal they use sidearm we masscre they are still alive and then they finish us off with super charge.

it is so annoying.

what do you think can be done to stop this build?



Stabilis -> RE: tech mages secretly OP (2/1/2012 9:40:17)

I don't know. [&:]



drinde -> RE: tech mages secretly OP (2/1/2012 9:40:40)

Really? Then compared to it, Surgical Strike must be uber-OP since it also steals rage.



gangster a -> RE: tech mages secretly OP (2/1/2012 9:42:23)

yes it does but it does not ignore resistence therefore making it weaker then supercharge



Stabilis -> RE: tech mages secretly OP (2/1/2012 9:48:11)

^ Yes, but on the flip-side, resistance varies for each player. 20% could mean 6 extra damage against one player while 20% could mean 2 extra damage against another. 50% rage reduction is an immutable concept on all players. However, the limiting factor is when the target has less than 50% rage. Yet, when everything is considered, super charge CAN kill faster, but surgical strike does provide and advantage to rage, which in turn can result in a faster output of damage when it ignores 45% of any defence.



midnight assassin -> RE: tech mages secretly OP (2/1/2012 9:49:15)

Well bh massacre is more op and its proven when xendran conducted the test. I can easily counter caster tm builds like sc builds provided that I will go first.



Remorse -> RE: tech mages secretly OP (2/1/2012 9:50:37)

Super charge build is no more of a problem then all power spamming builds.


The answer is to make more counters for power!

Taking away sheilds effectiveness was a very poor balance decesion aswell as giving these types of builds the chance to remove negative effects with aussult.

Both have resulted in builds like these to have few counters.


Mages are by far not the worst.
STR BM are much worse in terms of having nothing to do to counter them, except hope for luck.

Even still I belive nerfing isnt the answer and buffing certainly isnt either.
Give these builds somthing to fear and then the ways of startegy + variety will return!
Not that anyone cares :/







IsaiahtheMage -> RE: tech mages secretly OP (2/1/2012 10:00:37)

You have to be kidding me. If you can't counter that build then that is your problem not ours. You can't accuse Tech Mages of being OPed just because some can stop your STR build. Simply find a way to counter it and if you cant get a new build.



gangster a -> RE: tech mages secretly OP (2/1/2012 10:03:16)

i wouldnt mind if there wasnt tech mages or cybers in nearly every battle. i can defeat some but its the fact that they abuse the super charge build



Remorse -> RE: tech mages secretly OP (2/1/2012 10:04:44)

@ Isiah
I agree,

Out of all the anoying effortless builds from each class.

Mages are the easiest to counter by far.


I didnt know that these mages were good at beating STR builds however O.O
I might go a mage then xD


@ Gangster
techies arnt that common,

I see just as much STR spamming TLMs and Blood mages.
I do admit STR CHs are a bit over the top.



TurkishIncubus -> RE: tech mages secretly OP (2/1/2012 10:33:44)

Its not oped :), there is 6 class you cant win all of them you should be weak against some builds. Like with str TLM i always lose if CH goes first and hit their static(with smoked), but that doesnt mean CH is oped :)



gangster a -> RE: tech mages secretly OP (2/1/2012 10:37:37)

but its mostly that tech mages have the same build nearly all of the high level players and they need to stop copying builds lol



Remorse -> RE: tech mages secretly OP (2/1/2012 10:45:52)

LOL Mostly techies xD


Are you kidding,

Practically everyone copies the exact same dam STR builds from all classes xD


WHY? effortless effective.



gangster a -> RE: tech mages secretly OP (2/1/2012 10:48:36)

i wish they would create a system that stops builds being copyed and they have to have diffrent skills i think that could be easily achived



Remorse -> RE: tech mages secretly OP (2/1/2012 10:55:03)

^ Dude,
Its called fixing balance problems.
Its called making copy builds counterable!

Will they do it?
Proberly not since 90% of the ED population likes getting quick effortless wins.




Arcanis -> RE: tech mages secretly OP (2/1/2012 11:16:07)

^^: 91.3% according to latest research of website www.geeks-r-us.meh.
Off course,those results should be considered with 0.4 mistake margin according to website www.we-be-better-geeks.nuffsaid
[8D]



Ranloth -> RE: tech mages secretly OP (2/1/2012 11:30:00)

Sorry but I laugh how SC is OP'ed. I don't use it but with E Armor/Plasma or simply decent Tech + Res boost (any), they can be easily countered. My Support TM crushes most of them as I usually heal (if 1/2 HP is gone) but if I'm safe then I cast Technican which gives just +7 Res. In that way I usually use Technican and Heal after SC, meaning I'm at 3/4 of my HP and with decent Gun + Aux (10-12 Primary so not bad there either).
CHs can counter with Plasma + Heal (or EMP before they can cast it), same with BHs where they can EMP or cast Energy Shield/Heal. TLMs have no problems either with Blood Shield and Heal (if not shield, then healing is good enough). Mercs can still survive, if you're a Tank Merc then you will have Blood Shield and if Support/Str - you can be dead before SC can be used. BMs can use SC or go Str which means you gotta Tank until their Energy is gone but it might be hard and you can get killed (so SC is countered). Pretty much it, every build/class can counter them easily, they aren't new build (SCs) so we learnt how to counter.
Also you have seriously not seen SC before it was changed!



IsaiahtheMage -> RE: tech mages secretly OP (2/1/2012 11:37:51)

Now I will admit High DEX Supercharge Tech Mages can be difficult because they block my attacks a lot and take little damage from me. And their max Super Charge with high dex can do a lot of damage. But the fact is I don't run into them a lot. And If I can survive their SC then I'll be fine because they don't usually max overload aswell because that takes a lot of energy.



Lord Nub -> RE: tech mages secretly OP (2/1/2012 11:45:38)

I think we need couple extra tiers of skills to allow for more of a unique build set.

New classes are great sure but we are so limited as far as what we can do it's tough not to look as if players are copying each other.



Oba -> RE: tech mages secretly OP (2/1/2012 11:46:07)

Tech mages OP. Lol wut? xD According the some players on this forum is every class OP, so basically isnt any class OP... since everyone is ;o



xxmirxx -> RE: tech mages secretly OP (2/1/2012 12:30:03)

quote:

but its mostly that tech mages have the same build nearly all of the high level players and they need to stop copying builds lol
W e don't copy builts we just either like offence builts or defence builts. Secound are super charge use less we only gain a little mp back. Third to make super charge to be effective we would need above 8 to 10. Which use alot of engry so pretty much super charge use less skill.



TTG Sean -> RE: tech mages secretly OP (2/1/2012 14:05:34)

Is this kid joking? If you think SC is a problem, you have an Energy Shield for a reason. + Smoke which reduces the damage..



Ranloth -> RE: tech mages secretly OP (2/1/2012 14:22:15)

Also why the hell would you put up Defence Matrix instead of Energy shield? Having secured lowered damage from Res > chance to block and 15% of attack back as EP. There lies the mistake.
If I was to go by that example, Massacre is overpowered because I use my Technican and they deal high damage using Physical Claws.. :((



The Game -> RE: tech mages secretly OP (2/1/2012 14:27:57)

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