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Drakkoniss -> RE: (HS) The Brotherhood of Order Discussion (3/26/2012 20:51:28)
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To be fair, at least at the very first, the Crusades were a result of the Muslims constantly attempting to conquer more and more nations, killing the defenders, and attempting, if not forcing, the inhabitants of the new territory to convert. That trend continued effectively untill just before the voyages of Columbus, after which the invaders (I believe the Moors) coming into southern Spain were finally turned back. This is not to say that the first crusade war actually a Holy war, as it in its first part resulted in the devestation of Constantinople, which the Pope actually sent the crusaders to defend (the Eastern Roman Empire's possible destruction at the hands of the Muslims was the direct cause of it), and the Crusades otherwise led to massive violence and slaughter of innocents (such as the Jews; many Christians at the time had anti-semetic standings, and the Muslims actually were quite kind to them, honestly, unlike now...). Later crusades did not always have such reasons behind them, founded in logic, but I felt I might as well clear up the possible misunderstandings involving their cause and circumstances. It is also noteworthy that a large part of their continuation could be understood to be an attempt to turn aside the violence towards one another in Europe, where they were all Christians, and due to the fact that the cause of liberating the Holy Land was one that resonated with the people, leading to urges to do more.
I had forgotten your religious stance, Eclipse. Pity we never got to continue our conversation about religious beliefs, as when I first met you I very much wished to do so, but regardless, I won't push it if you are uncomfortable with such things.
Oh, and it is noteworthy that Jihad originally was associated with Holy War not only in the sense that it was a war for a Holy cause, but also one that was Holy in its practices. No targeting of noncombatants (such as priests, for example), no targeting of women, and I think no targeting of the wounded that are incapable of fighting, but I am not entirely sure about that part. Makes me sad that the extremists of this day and age make such a mockery of their own religion. The Qurans that were burnt in Afghanistan actually had already been defiled by terrorists attempting to pass messages to one another, and yet there is still a backlash, sadly, most likely because the entire story does not get to the people in the rural areas (which is effectively most of the country), because of the lack of electronic media. The US has handled this poorly, appologising, instead of attempting to get it out that it was not wrong to burn them because they were already made unholy by the actions of the sacreligious insurgents from whence the Books were obtained. That would also give a huge opportunity to cause the natives to be even more wary and disliking of the Taliban, who probably have gained a popularity boost there because of their speaking out against the Americans following this event. *sigh* I sometimes wonder if we even have anyone with as much knowledge and sense as a 16 year old, in the higher up levels of power.
I will admit that they did have horrible understandings of the morality and doctrine of Christianity proper, back then. I would blame the fact that most people were illiterate, then, and that Mass was in Latin much of the time (though not all, I think; I am pretty sure the Roman Catholic Church had begun to shift it to the native language, at least in some areas, back then).
From what I can see, yes, it's doing a pretty good job, I suppose. I still haven't read the later bits, so I am completely understanding in that regard, but from what I can see, yeah. Hopefully, I shall finish reading and post a chapter, soon.
Yeah, it's somewhat weird. Personally, I think it might've been better to have multiple storiess set in the same time period, so that that wouldn't happen, and we'd all have the opportunity to not have something else shifting the time period past the point you want to set your next chapter, or something (though that can be worked around), but I suppose it's still pretty promising. Oh, and people posting more stuff before you have decided what to do next for your part and their bit interfering with yours because of that could become an annoying problem.
@The last line of Eclipse's commentary: Noted.
I'll be taking a bath, now. Hope I have enough time to read more. Oh, and I didn't understand the "extreme atheist" bit, either. I thought he meant that he didn't believe any religion had any chance of being true, personally, but still I did not understand what he actually meant, regardless, and that would just be my best guess, unless it means he thinks of religious people as fools, which I doubt.
Edit: Hopefully, those comments will have ended the off-topic-ness. If you want to talk more to me, try doing it in-game. I know alot about quite a few different subjects.
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