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Rui.. -> what on earth is going on here rabble (4/26/2012 4:14:35)

Players just complain too much and this leads to me getting nerf every week on my face.

I was a mage and loved playing it. I changed to cyber cause it had everything that a mage had except i got emp for deadly aim.
What happened i got a plasma armour and lost my tech skill. I didnt pay to change my class to loose my tech skill. Now i have had to invest 10 skill points to a skill a dont need but have to cause my high dex based tech buff was screwd.
Ok fine i used to use static at level 5 and bamm it gets nerfed now i have to invest 10 points to static to get 13 odd energy considering i am a focus user. Now this update strength is nerfed. What on earth is going on. I didnt pay to get screwd. If you development guys fail to test things we dont want to get tossed around for your shortcommings.

Rabble would you accept if someone nerfed your brand new car over and over every week, while you sat and watched helplessly.

If you feel there is a balance issue try to buff other classes and bring them to a better stand point.

Same happened to tact mercs they lost maul they lost smoke and the toxic grenade damage was reduced.

I can see blood mages next on the nerf list.

Rabble what exactly did your team test before you released the new classes. Or are we the testers being used as guinea pigs.

I would accept if there was i minor balance issue but if you have to nerf every week for the part 3 months its unacceptable.

If all classes are considered equal why are we forced to pay 900varium to change to new class. Why isnt an option to start level 1 as a blood mage.

Your balance tracker showed tech mages fail at lower levels. Have you tried playing a cyber or a tact merc at level 1 to 10 to see how miserably they fail.

I need a reply rabble, had it with your nerfs and constant efforts to kill the voice of your customers. Where is this heading?




Reki -> RE: what on earth is going on here rabble (4/26/2012 4:33:36)

Fail thread, nuff said :)




King FrostLich -> RE: what on earth is going on here rabble (4/26/2012 4:36:45)

quote:

I can see blood mages next on the nerf list.


Strength Blood mages to be exact.




Lycus -> RE: what on earth is going on here rabble (4/26/2012 4:55:24)

Well, I hope a reply from me is fine, because that's what you're getting, since this topic is going to be locked, usually this topic would be deleted, but I want to make this message clear to everyone.

Firstly, Rabble was not around when the new classes got released, he was not working for AE back then, so he didn't get any input in balance on them. Back then, we had a small team of Testers testing a huge release ready for Delta, and with a small team like that, we're not going to be able to test every build combination possible and be able to perfectly balance everything before the release. We said when we released them that there may be balance issues, and we need them reported ASAP for us to deal with them, which is what happened.

Now we have the balance tracker in, which though many people may argue it isn't doing a lot, just because we're not publicly posting the results, doesn't mean we're not paying attention to it, because we are. We're looking at the balance tracker seeing what classes have the issues, which don't, we check the balance topic here to see what players are suggesting for that area and then we work with it. As Titan said in the Livestream on Saturday, RabbleFroth has charts, a list of builds and issues, and many other things keeping track of balance, which builds are balance breaking etc. and looking at the balance trackers figures, overall, the balance of the game really hasn't been much better, all the classes have a fairly equal PvP win ratio, and if any do below or above that ratio then a buff/nerf will be applied. Why risk the balance of the other classes by buffing them all, when they are all working together equally, just because one other is too powerful? If your not doing great, then change builds.

Using your analogy of a car, if the car was overpowered, it could go to fast, or the BHP was too high, then it would be nerfed to become road legal, and I think people would accept that. I accept that you may not like having to change builds, but most people moved to CH because they knew it was powerful, if you move know that, you must also realise that a nerf will be following soon. Nerfing your class may upset you, but not nerfing that class would upset people from all classes if it didn't happen. I recommend that you get creative, create a brilliant new build that works, because there are plenty out there!

From now on, please keep all balance discussion to the balance topic, complaining about nerfs won't change anything unless the Balance Tracker shows the Nerf has actually made them Under Powers, and yes the balance tracker is very accurate, you can trust it is working, especially with the amount of additional stuff RabbleFroth does to record and improve balance - He does an amazing job with it, with the help of Ashari and a few others, and whether you like it or not, the nerfs have worked and put CH back down on a similar win ratio to the others.

EDIT: For anyone it's unclear to, I'm referring to the last CH nerf, currently there is no plan for another, since they have a fair ratio with the other classes!




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