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megakyle777 -> The Mysterious Stranger: What game is he playing? (MAJOR SPOILERS) (5/7/2013 9:57:54)

(Please note: if any of my facts are wrong here, please let me know in this thread. It has been a while since I have experiencer these events.)

Hello, and welcome to another of my threads on the mysteries of the world of Lore and various timelines. You may recall my discussions on the Lineage of Drakath Slugwrath and it's importance across all games. Today, we discuss a similar topic, except with a character that we know both more and less of: The Mysterious Stranger.

Now, why do I bring up this topic of discussion? It is simple. In a manner similar to that of Drakath, The Stranger has appeared in more than one AE game, though his goals seem to differ.

In the Original AdventureQuest, The Stranger of that world alas is a posthumorous character, having been bested and absorbed by Erebus, who then used the identity of the Stranger as a masquerade for his own ends. However, after the defeat of said Erebus, it was shown that the Stranger of another world took offense to this, and it may be possible he plans to bring the wrath of the Strangers on the interlopers' head. This would of course mean that dark times for AQ's Lore is coming... (As a theoretical afterthought that just occurred to me, is it possible that the defeat of this Stranger and thus the loss of Sepulchure's Master and possible power is the splitting point between AQ and DF?)

In Dragonfable, the plots of The Stranger came to fruition at the end of Chapter 1. It is revealed that The Stranger (Of that world at least) is a being of pure darkness akin to the spirits of the Doom Weapons. However, instead of binding himself to a weapon and possibly being destroyed, he allowed himself to accrue over millennia, gaining power in that current form. It is also revealed that he was the master of Sepulchure, giving him incredible darkness power to further his own goals. In the end, he bound himself to the dead body of the fallen Dragon Drakath and gained immense power, only being stopped by the power of a second Ultimate Orb and the hero's dragon. He is now believed deceased.

In Mechquest, The Stranger merely waits around Mysterious Johnson's shop amnd asks for the hero to give any spirits he capture to him instead of said Mysterious Johnson. That's about it. But WHY does he want these souls? What is he even DOING in a world full of Mecha? Is there a possible tie between him and Mysterious Johnson, or are his goals something more sinister?

As far as I am aware, he appears in no more AE games.

But the matter is curious. As AQ shows, at least one Stranger has knowledge of other realms. Does this mean that there are more of them, and that they have set goals? Just what is up with these beings?

That is for us to discuss here.



t track -> RE: The Mysterious Stranger: What game is he playing? (MAJOR SPOILERS) (5/7/2013 11:39:21)

According to the aq stranger aka erberus the strangers have ve=ast knowledge of on another so they might collectively be planning something. i know that it was not the original stranger but the question becomes, why lie about something like that.



Dwelling Dragonlord -> RE: The Mysterious Stranger: What game is he playing? (MAJOR SPOILERS) (5/7/2013 11:57:13)

spoiler:

1. From what I recall the split between AQ and DF happened several times, before joining and splitting up again much like a river does.

2. It might very well be that the spirits he gets are those he employs in Dragonfable.

3. AdventureQuestWorlds mentions that Sepulchure's master, the Stranger, used an amulet to control him. I personally find that rather funny since he had a sentient blade and armour which served the Stranger.

4. It was implied to be the case.



deathlord45 -> RE: The Mysterious Stranger: What game is he playing? (MAJOR SPOILERS) (5/8/2013 17:56:07)

So the Stranger we dealt with when we experienced the past through Abode with affinity for birds and beat the Loremaster was Erebus? Also I don't think there are different Strangers except for the ones in different timelines I believe there is one Stranger entity. Also the Stranger outside of Mysterious Johnson's is probably doing the same thing the DF Stranger did since he sells you Doom Mechs and the DF one sold Doom weapons.



Mordred -> RE: The Mysterious Stranger: What game is he playing? (MAJOR SPOILERS) (5/8/2013 19:21:29)

I'd like to point out that they did not confirm the Stranger as being Sepulchure's Master...



lightriftwalker122 -> RE: The Mysterious Stranger: What game is he playing? (MAJOR SPOILERS) (5/8/2013 19:29:07)

@ mordred yes they did. i think it was in unlikely duo or eclipse. It says you were a puppet. implying that it is his master.



Mordred -> RE: The Mysterious Stranger: What game is he playing? (MAJOR SPOILERS) (5/8/2013 19:43:38)

No, it just means Sepulchure was a puppet. An unwitting one, at that, even though Sepulchure knew exactly who his Master was and had an arrangement with him. And the staff specifically refused to clarify anything about the Master, suggesting very strongly that not all is said and done.



Caststarter -> RE: The Mysterious Stranger: What game is he playing? (MAJOR SPOILERS) (5/8/2013 20:13:47)

@Mordred: On the contrary. Puppets are bound to their masters. (Unless we are talking about a peculiar puppet that is...) So it implies that it is pretty much confirmed that the DF stranger was Sepulchure's master in which he played with him. Sepulchure has no master now so in which he can do what ever he wants.

On the AQ stranger. I played the Bizarre Blecks recently and I find it...
spoiler:

strange that two strangers are connected to each other even though they are in different realms. In fact... I think that part of the Flecks was after the events of Book 1(not sure on release date sorry.) in which the DF stranger is still alive and he is going to the AQ world... to stir up trouble. SO I don't think he would rather know about this Sepulchure that much unless the two interacted a bit in the past.



kors -> RE: The Mysterious Stranger: What game is he playing? (MAJOR SPOILERS) (5/8/2013 20:22:29)

Personally I think the Strangers are something akin to minor gods with no real ties to any specific place and angry at the fact they have no real worship like other godly beings. This drives them to wanting to destroy the worlds of the gods so they suffer without worship like they do. Due to their lack of belonging to a pantheon limits them to shadow-like bodies that are essentially just a cloak with nothing underneath. They meddle constantly in major events in order to eventually destroy the gods they so oppose.



Baron Dante -> RE: The Mysterious Stranger: What game is he playing? (MAJOR SPOILERS) (5/10/2013 8:38:26)

Caststarter: Except that no. No character implied that MS was the Master. None.

If I manipulate you to do something for me, I could call you my puppet. That doesn't mean I am your Master. Yes, this doesn't make it impossible for MS to be the Master, and in fact, it is still the most likely option, however it is NOT the only possibility.

Personally, I believe the reluctance of confirming this to be tied to how Geo implied MS did survive, in a form or another. My personal opinion matters rather little here however.



megakyle777 -> RE: The Mysterious Stranger: What game is he playing? (MAJOR SPOILERS) (5/10/2013 9:34:04)

I'm just curious here: What evidence do we have that the MS was NOT Seppy's Master, VS the evidence that we have that he IS?



Dwelling Dragonlord -> RE: The Mysterious Stranger: What game is he playing? (MAJOR SPOILERS) (5/10/2013 13:22:27)

Doomwood II: The journal, page 6 specifies that it was the Mysterious Stranger who offered Valen the power of the DoomKnight Armour.



Baron Dante -> RE: The Mysterious Stranger: What game is he playing? (MAJOR SPOILERS) (5/10/2013 14:36:54)

That is, however, among the few parts of the journal that would not directly translate to DF canon though, seeing as nothing has implied the existence of elemental champions. (If it were to translate there, which some people still find iffy)



Mordred -> RE: The Mysterious Stranger: What game is he playing? (MAJOR SPOILERS) (5/10/2013 15:12:17)

Not only that, but the Stranger could have just been the messenger. Was it not the Mouth of Sauron that sought to "negotiate" with Aragorn rather than Sauron himself? It could have been a similar case. I've no doubt that the Stranger plays a VERY prominent role in the history of the ShadowScythe. I do not think it's certain that it is the Master, though.



Caststarter -> RE: The Mysterious Stranger: What game is he playing? (MAJOR SPOILERS) (5/10/2013 15:24:47)

I take back then what I said about puppets Baron. Although...

quote:

The Irismancer: His weapons did make him stronger but poisoned his mind further. Then it began to poison his body.
The Irismancer: The armor that he wears, the armor of the Doom Knight...it actually wears him.
The Irismancer: He has become something else, bound to the darkness.


Might be implying that the armor is his master but gives another possibility that The Stranger (Being a complete being of darkness that is.) is Sepulchure's master but then there are also possibilities that other beings of darkness could've been his master as well. But... that is it... although... if he WAS a messenger... that does not count out the possibility that he was pretty much Sepulchure's master indirectly in which I do find it a possibility that Sepulchure may had another master but that... The DF stranger could've been using Sepulchure in a way that he was pretty much the true master... officially? No. Metaphorically? Maybe. Besides... he wasn't tied to Voidstar. If he was independent. We know his reason already but if he is a part of something. Why would they want him to do that we may not know. but whatever it was... it was to destroy Lore... and he used Sepulchure... that we know. And if this translates to the other Strangers... then they all hate light and maybe the other elements...

Besides. From the depths of my memory that even mentioned The Stranger that I saw suggest or negates any of this.

And can anyone explain to me about this journal I've heard about and what it connects here? I am rather confused...

@Dwelling below: Okay then. Thanks... that would kinda explain some things...



Dwelling Dragonlord -> RE: The Mysterious Stranger: What game is he playing? (MAJOR SPOILERS) (5/10/2013 15:29:40)

@Baron Dante: I was just stating what held true for AdventureQuestWorlds.

@Caststarter: In Dragonfable the Mysterious Stranger is a Primordial, a being who preceded creation itself or at least that of the elements and thus has no connections to darkness other than it being a pale mimicry of what was before.



Glais -> RE: The Mysterious Stranger: What game is he playing? (MAJOR SPOILERS) (5/10/2013 15:58:58)

Just something minor I want to add (unless it's already been stated, which it probably has), there was something said about all settings needing to have a Stranger.
It is for this reason that Erebus became the Stranger once he accidentally killed the original.

Anyhow, what I'm getting at is each Stranger can basically be something radically different from the rest both in concept and species, so long as the mantle of "Mysterious Stranger" is upheld.

Due to this I'm guessing the nature of Strangers is tied to the beginning of...well, pretty much everything.



Cataclysm -> RE: The Mysterious Stranger: What game is he playing? (MAJOR SPOILERS) (5/10/2013 22:24:50)

An Unlikely Duo provides some implications that the Mysterious Stranger is Sepulchure's master.

We have the Stranger's appearance itself. Conveniently, it is immediately following Drakath's death. Such timing would require one to have some way of knowing that the battle had ended with Drakath's death at that exact moment, yet the only people present are Sepulchure and the PC... and Sepulchure's weapon, which we know is tied very closely with Sepulchure's master. So, three people should be aware of Drakath's death at the exact instant Drakath dies: the PC, Sepulchure, and Sepulchure's master. The one who appears closely thereafter is the Mysterious Stranger. This could be coincidence, but it implies that the Stranger is, in fact, the master.

The next bit that implies the Stranger is the master is its "You were a puppet" line. The context here is more important than the line itself.

quote:

Sepulchure: But... but I am a creature of the darkness! I was promised this world!
???: You were a puppet.


The Stranger seems to be acutely aware of the promise to Sepulchure. In fact, its statement even seems to imply that it was the Stranger who made the promise. The promise was the strings to which the puppet Sepulchure danced. It was nothing but a lie, a means to manipulate Sepulchure, and the Stranger knows this. How else could the Stranger know this, then, if not Sepulchure's master?

So yes, I'll agree that it was never outright confirmed. However, it's certainly implied that the master is the Stranger.

The Stranger in MQ is... a slightly different bag of fish. He seems to function primarily as the Stranger in DF does, and indeed very likely is one and the same, given the closeness between DF and MQ. It is very likely that he is simply biding his time for a monumental event to occur, such as what happened in DF with Dragon Drakath. As for what he does with the souls, well, I imagine that the souls, being those of ghosts, are primarily Darkness in nature, so he likely assimilates them in order to gain power a bit faster.

I do look forward to seeing what the Stranger will do in AQ, now that he's been "invited" in. With Erebus's downfall came a vacuum of power, one that the Stranger we saw (whether or not it actually is DF's remains to be seen, as it may simply be an alternative timeline that has run very similarly to DF) and may yet take advantage of. I believe that many questions regarding the Stranger will be answered then.

As for the Stranger's capability to sense other Strangers, it is my theory that this has to deal with the primordial nature of the Stranger. If it truly was present at the creation of Lore, if not the universe itself, then it was almost certainly an existance before the timelines had ever separated. Due to the Stranger's nature, it seems plausible that the timeline split would not have the same effects on the Stranger as on others and that it would maintain an awareness of its other selves as the timelines developed. Though it's quite the stretch of a theory, it's the only reasoning I can come up with that strikes me as feasible. Truth be told, I'm not sure why it would be or how exactly it would work, but it's the only thing I've got in terms of theorizing.



Mordred -> RE: The Mysterious Stranger: What game is he playing? (MAJOR SPOILERS) (5/10/2013 23:25:44)

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We have the Stranger's appearance itself. Conveniently, it is immediately following Drakath's death. Such timing would require one to have some way of knowing that the battle had ended with Drakath's death at that exact moment, yet the only people present are Sepulchure and the PC... and Sepulchure's weapon, which we know is tied very closely with Sepulchure's master. So, three people should be aware of Drakath's death at the exact instant Drakath dies: the PC, Sepulchure, and Sepulchure's master. The one who appears closely thereafter is the Mysterious Stranger. This could be coincidence, but it implies that the Stranger is, in fact, the master.

Only not really, because the Stranger was the sword itself. So, the Stranger would have full knowledge. Not only that, but we know that Sepulchure knows who his master was, and he was surprised to see a total stranger turn up.

quote:

The Stranger seems to be acutely aware of the promise to Sepulchure. In fact, its statement even seems to imply that it was the Stranger who made the promise. The promise was the strings to which the puppet Sepulchure danced. It was nothing but a lie, a means to manipulate Sepulchure, and the Stranger knows this. How else could the Stranger know this, then, if not Sepulchure's master?

Because the Stranger was the Necrotic Blade of Doom. So, it would have been the promise presented in physical form(the NBoD was part of the promise, after all).

quote:

As for the Stranger's capability to sense other Strangers, it is my theory that this has to deal with the primordial nature of the Stranger. If it truly was present at the creation of Lore, if not the universe itself, then it was almost certainly an existance before the timelines had ever separated. Due to the Stranger's nature, it seems plausible that the timeline split would not have the same effects on the Stranger as on others and that it would maintain an awareness of its other selves as the timelines developed. Though it's quite the stretch of a theory, it's the only reasoning I can come up with that strikes me as feasible. Truth be told, I'm not sure why it would be or how exactly it would work, but it's the only thing I've got in terms of theorizing.

Don't forget the nature of the Stranger's Uncreation in AQ. Erebus killed it from outside time, effectively Uncreating the Stranger of that universe. If the Stranger was outside time, it's entirely likely all the Strangers have such an ability.



Caststarter -> RE: The Mysterious Stranger: What game is he playing? (MAJOR SPOILERS) (5/10/2013 23:44:24)

May I quote that entire conversation?

spoiler:

???: Finally! It took you long enough.

The Mysterious Stranger extends an enshrouded arm over the NBoD stuck in the dragons chest. A darkness gathers around the blade and then lifts off and goes into the robe's sleeve.

???: I've been infiltrating this world since the elements first formed it.
???: Since they first polluted the perfect darkness that existed before.
???: Now, thanks to you two, I can finally restore it.
<Character>: Wha... what?
???: There are two ways a creature of pure darkness can survive in this... polluted world.
???: They can bind themselves to an object... a weapon... or, through pure will and patience, gather in the shadows and slowly accrete.
???: The second provides more... raw power. More freedom to move. More time to think. And plan.
???: Unfortunately, it almost comes with a price. A vulnerability to the other elements, Light especially.
???: A vulnerability that didn't allow me to gather the orbs myself.

The Mysterious Stranger moves closer to Drakath's body and lays an enshrouded hand on body.

???: You two took care of that for me though, with very little prompting.
???: You created the Ultimate Orb and then, our little princeling here...
???: ...combined a heart full of malice and revenge with the Orb and your dracolich and created the most powerful weapon this world has ever seen!
???: The ultimate darkness dragon!
???: Hahaha, a dragon so powerful you have to team up with your greatest enemy to kill him...
???: And now...
???: Now I have a weapon worthy to bind myself to!

The Mysterious Stranger melts into dark smoke and it flows over the body of the dragon. It stands as the Super Mega Ultra Darkness Dracolich.

Sepulchure: But... but I am a creature of the darkness! I was promised this world!
???: You were a puppet.
Sepulchure: WHAT?!

The dracolich tail slapps Sepulchure and drains his power

Sepulchure: ...
Sepulchure: No.... no... Lynaria....


I see nothing that would imply that Sepulchure was surprised to see him BESIDES The Stranger turning on him. Cata maybe is right on the context on the usage of puppet... And Sepulchure only said like... three lines.

quote:

Because the Stranger was the Necrotic Blade of Doom.


May I ask where you got this conclusion? Judging by the conversation. He would've had to bind himself to it but that would ruin his plans in the first place. Because it wouldn't allow him time to think at all.

And Sepulchure DID know his master but he was more or less did not know what he was really up you. Would you allow a puppet to gain ultimate power when you could just let him do all of the dirty work and you pop out at the very end and have him be surprised that you just betrayed him? I wouldn't if I was a person of evil. I would've want some power there. Sepulchure may had known his master was but it is never unlikely you can just swoop in and just decide to take all of his effort away and that might've been The Strangers doing.

I mean look at it this way. The Stranger existed before creation and if that is really true then he is completely independent and if he was using Sepulchure in the first place and NO ONE else. The only true master was indeed The Stranger. Sepulchure did know his master but it could've been The Stranger nonetheless or even... he may known he was under a master but they never really have met to make those terms.

Talk about some lousy typos...



ArchMagus Orodalf -> RE: The Mysterious Stranger: What game is he playing? (MAJOR SPOILERS) (5/11/2013 0:24:56)

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Don't forget the nature of the Stranger's Uncreation in AQ. Erebus killed it from outside time, effectively Uncreating the Stranger of that universe. If the Stranger was outside time, it's entirely likely all the Strangers have such an ability.


This one's a little iffy... Erebus said in Mostly Harmful that he killed the Stranger outside of Time, but The Journey Home shows the event happening at Edress Point, Deren. Given that we were directly viewing Erebus's memories in Journey Home, I'm inclined to believe that he outright lied in Mostly Harmful... though I suppose it's possible that what he meant was that in entering Time temporospatially near the original Stranger, he killed him.

quote:

Because the Stranger was the Necrotic Blade of Doom.


And this can't be true. >>



solomi123 -> RE: The Mysterious Stranger: What game is he playing? (MAJOR SPOILERS) (5/12/2013 2:41:39)

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Because the Stranger was the Necrotic Blade of Doom.

Really Mord , really?
In my opinion , each alternate universe has it's own Stranger , kinda like there are 3 version of the "hero" in DF , MQ , AQ whom later merge into the hero of AQW
As for the acknowledge each others part , I can only guess that since the Strangers exist beyond creation itself , it has a lot of abilities our hero don't.



Baron Dante -> RE: The Mysterious Stranger: What game is he playing? (MAJOR SPOILERS) (5/12/2013 7:05:59)

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And this can't be true. >>


"Inaccurate" would be more correct. It was stated a PORTION of the MS was the blade by Geo. (Or, if not Geo, a different staff member, but really, who else has told us extremely plot-relevant stuff other than her in years? Not counting Tomix and whatnot telling about their own storylines, obviously)



Mordred -> RE: The Mysterious Stranger: What game is he playing? (MAJOR SPOILERS) (5/12/2013 18:24:02)

Bah, y'know what I meant. Think hive-mind. Two bodies of the same being. I do admit that it's possible that Erebus lied. More than possible, actually. :P Although, I don't think the Stranger of the other universe(which I think Fal might have said may not be DF, but a universe VERY similar) would care so much had his analog been killed rather than Uncreated.

@Caststarter: The Stranger/SMUDD never said that Sepulchure was now useless at that point. Sepulchure's reaction about being promised came before anything about him being a puppet. Not only that, but considering the nature of Sepulchure's deal with the Master, which requires near-unwavering loyalty due to the influence of his Doom items, he would have known that he was a puppet in some form. Yet when the SMUDD calls him the Stranger's puppet, that elicits a reaction that would be quite contrary to this. And again, you're saying that's definitive proof that Stranger=Master, but if that were true, then how come the only staff responsive to being asked if the Stranger=Master was "Spoilers!" or "geo rolls away"? Why would the staff deliberately choose to leave it ambiguous if it's so "definitive" in the game. I argue merely that it's possible either way, and that I personally think that it's more likely the Stranger wasn't/isn't the Master.



Caststarter -> RE: The Mysterious Stranger: What game is he playing? (MAJOR SPOILERS) (5/12/2013 19:38:09)

I wasn't really at that the forums at the time so I wouldn't seen the staff doing all that.

quote:

Sepulchure: That orb was supposed to be MINE!
Doom Blade: Your minions? Dead undead. No using them again now. And the Master is displeased.
Doom Blade: He... wishes you to see him. He would like to speak with you.
Sepulchure: But <Character> is RIGHT. THERE!
Doom Blade: Now.
Sepulchure: *rage*


And you are talking about this part where it is known that Sepulchure knows he master correct? And I didn't say it was definitive. How? I said metaphorically and I know I said the true master is The Stranger but the fact that I said metaphorically is my version of wording "The Stranger may not be the real master, but he was the one pulling the strings."

Who was the one who waited? The Stranger. Who was the one who told Sepulchure to stop there? It may have been The Stranger. Who was the one who went on and took what Sepulchure accomplished? The Stranger. All he did was really wait and what would really make me laugh is that when the sword referred to master is The Stranger. Why? Because if The Stranger was entirely independent the whole time and wasn't working with anyone at all. What was the master the sword was referring to if it was part of The Stranger himself as you said? Who could've been the whole time BESIDES The Stranger. I am not saying he was but I am just saying what might be the case. Because one thing is for sure. The Stranger was there before creation. Also, when you said useless... you seem to forgot about the part that SMUDD mercilessly almost killed Sepulchure... if someone is useful and not a burden now. Why would you do that? PLUS. I NEVER said anything like that UNTIL now. Hmph...

Also. I can actually say some things about if Sepulchure knew he was a puppet in terms pf psychology. Did we ever look at the person's mindset at all? He isn't the brightest of anyone and the fact he lost a person he loved which is Lynaria he would've done anything to bring her back in which he accepted the Doomknight armor and who might've been? It could've been The Stranger by any chance or even his real master that The Stranger was working with IF The Stranger isn't the master.

If he was working for someone for some bizarre reason out there. Who could've been there BEFORE creation as well? Was The Stranger a slave? Or just working casually on something? Whatever the case, The Stranger may not be the real master but in context. He is most likely is as a symbol.

I see your points but I am debating (I am not arguing or trying to.) to have everyone see everything we can dish out and what they think about it after so on. I can keep going if you like.



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