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4/1/2011 17:27:25   
TehCajanator
Member

Okay, I have reached the point where I like this game. I find the PVP aspect of most games fun and this is no exception. BUT and it is a big one.
The one thing in Player versus player gamesthat i despise with every aspect of my eing is losing/dying when i dont deserve to. I can deal with random luck aspect but this game has, i feel a major flaw. I am lvl 27 and i believe this has ruined, almost irreversibly, my win/loss record. I USED to have a 4-1 record and since reaching lvl 27 i have lost 200+ games and won less than 50. The reason. The matchmaking scaling. I have had constant lvl 32 varium users with rare weapons who can 2-HK me where as i do about 20 damage at max. I don't know that much about programming but i do know that a search level altering function is quite possible and i believe it to be an almost necessity at this point. I have thought about quitting more than once in the last week or so.
That is what i feel anyway, as usual i am open to disscussion and persuasion and welsome both. Have a nice day.

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MQ  Post #: 1
4/1/2011 17:35:47   
2046808
Member

I understand, I agree. Currently the level range is 5, which is a bit high. I would prefer it to be 3 or maybe less. But anyways it's hard leveling up getting the constant level 32's. I didn't become level 32 until October of last year, it was hard but I did it and managed to keep a good enough win ratio.

I don't know much about programming/coding but I assure you they can fluctuate the level range between players so the low levels won't get the high levels all the time. Most level 32's won't care about this as it doesn't affect them, now that they're at the level cap.
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 2
4/1/2011 17:36:03   
  Nightwraith
Member

Are you talking about a matchmaking filter? That's a great idea, and we were close to implementing it at one point, but we found it limited matches to a frustrating point. That could have been due to low player counts at the time (this was around Alpha). However, it may be worth revisiting as we see server numbers climb over the Spring and Summer months.

Losing streaks can be frustrating. When I was leveling, and hit a wall around the same level as you, I got through it by doing 2v2 battles for greater XP. Once I got past a few levels, I found I was more competitive against higher level players. It's not a perfect solution, but it should help until a more permanent solution is built.
Post #: 3
4/1/2011 17:40:39   
8x
Member

If you are fighting in 1vs1, I suggest that you go on exile server, usually there are less lvls 32.

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Epic  Post #: 4
4/1/2011 17:41:30   
Competition
Member

Everyone had to go through it.
And if it's really giving you a hard time, I recommend NPCing for the time being.
DF AQW Epic  Post #: 5
4/1/2011 17:42:47   
xxmirxx
Member
 

 just do 2vs2 and npc
AQ Epic  Post #: 6
4/1/2011 17:44:53   
Zean Zapple
Member

Well said TehCajanator. I agree even though I'm one of those nasty 32's with rare weapons

Leveling up was a challenge for all of us, and as the level cap increases it will only become harder for new players.

When the level cap was 30 it was much easier for me to level up, when I was a level 29 I believe the level cap increased to 31, this made leveling up a whole lot tougher. What I suggest is that we have it so you can only fight people within 4 levels of yourself. This would still give the 32's the advantage they earned, and it will also help out the newer players who are looking to become great.

And don't forget, NPCs always help

~Zean

< Message edited by Zean Zapple -- 4/1/2011 17:45:38 >
Epic  Post #: 7
4/1/2011 17:57:45   
x666satan666x
Member

passing lvl 27 and getting to 32 is a right of passage, everyone had to do it. when i was 27 i was facing gamal, savage scream, sparticus, V3gitlx, you name em, i fought em. things happen and if you really hate it you can always npc or 2v2.
Epic  Post #: 8
4/1/2011 17:59:08   
TehCajanator
Member

Thanks for the replies guys, i have sorted of rejigged my stratergy in the last few days (which was xtra tough as i could only use basic club xD) and i have had some better results and even beaten some 32s.
@Nightwraith that's exactly what i was thinking, i just couldnt think of the word. I only speak for myself but i wouldnt mind waiting an extra 20-50 second to find a fair fight, any longer and i would be against it but maybe after that point it could go to the higher levels? I'm not sure.

@Zean Zapple can you name the best NPCs for a lvl 27 to fight it's just i CBA to find them xD

@satan i can see your point and that's all fine and dandy but think about a more casual player, maybe one who playes some of the other AE games who comes to this point and thinks, "you know, this isn't all that fun" and leaves, do we really want this to end up like MQ?

< Message edited by TehCajanator -- 4/1/2011 18:02:15 >
MQ  Post #: 9
4/1/2011 20:04:24   
x666satan666x
Member

if your a casual gamer then its even better, 15 npcs an hour, get them and go back to another game then come back the next hour.
Epic  Post #: 10
4/1/2011 20:25:05   
TankMage
Member

Wow ... nightwraith posted something

Edited out profanity. ~Syr

< Message edited by Syr Frostbite -- 4/2/2011 7:15:51 >

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AQ Epic  Post #: 11
4/1/2011 21:09:28   
TehCajanator
Member

I know right, on my post, i feel so honored.
I guess he posts on ideas on key, core game features and he appreciates when somebody puts some effort into a post instead of "OMG WHENS THE RELEASE OUT< OMG THEY SAID ITD B OUT NAO!!!!"
MQ  Post #: 12
4/1/2011 22:02:52   
Avantir
Member

Well said, TehCajanator.

I agree with the idea of reducing the levels of possible enemies to a difference of 3. I'm level 26 Mercenary right now, and I've had to retrain many times to get my good build. I now use a Surgical Strike build that has about a 66.6% win rate. I know that that is going to drop significantly next level, so I think that adjustment would work well.

Also, didn't I battle you twice today, TehCajanator? I think you used the name Cajanator and wore some green armor. I won once and then you beat me the second time.

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AQ MQ Epic  Post #: 13
4/1/2011 22:56:08   
Dax
Remember The Name


 If you're looking for npcs to fight at level 27 I recommend the level 22 bio dome guard and possibly the level 25 Bio Dome guard and Mirv at the barren outpost. For a full list of challengeable npcs see this Wiki Page. Look for the ones toward the lower end of your level range(22,23, 24). You can fight each npc 5 times each hour and a total of 15 npc characters per hour.
MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 14
4/2/2011 0:04:51   
HydroMonk
Member

@TehCajanator
Oh ! Lvl 27 One Of The Hardest Level ... good luck
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4/2/2011 0:32:59   
Angels Holocaust
Member

Getting beat up is a right of passage my friend, it's time for you to man up and fight and take the losses like a true fighter.
Post #: 16
4/2/2011 0:53:01   
voidance
Member

Yea, i basicly see it as we all had to do it so why shouldnt you. Oh and getting wrecked from lvl 27-30 will turn you into a man, so tough it out lol.
AQW Epic  Post #: 17
4/2/2011 1:20:28   
helloguy
Member

Hmmmmm just wait a little longer and you'll start hating this game. Get to lvl 32 and you'll see what this game really is.
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 18
4/2/2011 7:03:29   
TehCajanator
Member

Ok guys thanksfor the help with the npcs and stuff, ive got a good thing going now beating up the lvl 22 bio guard and the 26 bio hazard, helpfully located next to each other and also 2v2 the rest of the hour and i am very close to 28 now =) saving that 18k up for power armour xD
MQ  Post #: 19
4/2/2011 7:09:55   
TurkishIncubus
Member

27 to 31 lwl do NPC other than that you will lose much , search lwl is a bad idea than i will only search 27 lwl and be 1. easyly in Leaderboard and 20 lwl player easyly can get 1vs1 daily achiv with only dueling 15 lwls :S.

< Message edited by TurkishIncubus -- 4/2/2011 7:12:37 >

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Epic  Post #: 20
4/2/2011 14:29:04   
matteo234
Member

yeah, get some decent armor, some okay defences and make a 2v2 build, even if you think your going to lose vs two level 32's, sometimes ill be there to help us beat em both :)
...other times, ill be the one saying sorry and destroying you, but at least its possible.. and yeah, armor and a decent build specialised to help itself will make it work out better
and yeah, npcs are fine and all, but dont really have the strategy of a human player, so i find it more fun to do 2v2 during those times. Weather the storms, and hopefully dont drop below a 1-1 win/loss ratio, and you should be good to go!

Watzomatzo, the true tech mage, despite having a higher dex..

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AQ DF MQ Epic  Post #: 21
4/4/2011 18:17:25   
Practel
Spectating from the Sidelines


 The issue with changing the match made range (Currently in a scale of 1-5) is that, the majority of fighters earn credits and gain battle tokens and win ratios on NPCs, and most NPCs are level 27. That is why, when you raise a level cap (For instance when the cap is raised to 33, it will make a big difference for people who NPC, for instance, Hulk, Exile Trooper, The girl that sells the bike, and many more). I agree, if Im up to battle with a level 27, I will most likely win, but if im up against a 32 I wont.


I am happy with how the match making system works now, but when I joined over a year ago, leveling was easier as the caps wernt as high (Level 27 that got pared with a level 30 had a massive chance of winning) and the weapons wernt as powerful. I created an alt, and got to level 17 without any issues, I failed to continue with that alt though, sadly because I haven't had the time to get around. (Actually Im gonna go play now :P) I can't get the perspective of a non-varium player until I reach level 27, which may be a long time.


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