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4/9/2011 19:42:12   
Cinderella
Always a Princess


 Ok, so everyone hates that stats have diminishing returns. But everyone complained that the high strength mercenaries needed to be nerfed, and diminishing returns were even suggested, and had been a longstanding suggestion.

For me personally, my build was not affected at all- I had a pretty balanced build to begin with, and the only stat I spammed was dex. With the loss of focus, my loss of defense occurred concurrently. That's something that seems to be getting lost- yes, there are diminishing returns, but you also lost focus. This doesn't affect tanks, casters, or other builds as much as the strength spammers. Diminishing returns forces a little more creativity, yes, and hopefully adds some balance to the game.

Edit: also, I'm going back and editing out the profanity. Seriously, it's a game, people. There's no need to use profanity.

2nd edit: I didn't mean literally every single person, I was using hyperbole.

< Message edited by Cinderella -- 4/9/2011 19:50:03 >
Post #: 51
4/9/2011 19:48:57   
xxmirxx
Member
 

 above I don't hate update
AQ Epic  Post #: 52
4/9/2011 20:56:48   
One Winged Angel1357
Member


 Cindy great point it is just a game

As for the stat point i suggest it be raised to a bt higher number becuase alot of varium gear and some of the most used F2P gear have rather high modifer output which at lv 32/33 brings us over the limit(in some cases well over) maybe an extra 10-15 points before we reach the limit would be nice.

Clutch how is stat abuse fun its a lack of creativity and increadibly repeatative whats fun about that. Also im sure HLing didnt show up over night, though Xen may be to proud to admit it, it most likely took a good bit of tinkering to get it working
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 53
4/9/2011 21:34:32   
Practel
Spectating from the Sidelines


 Why cant everyone realize that this is a video game and in 5 years, there may not even be an EpicDuel (Idk know why)

God you flamers and trollers out there do nothing but sit at your comp and make stupid posts towards others and the devs. Adapt with the game. You fail if you dont. To take something this serious is highly strange and should be thought about.

Stop with the flames.
DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 54
4/9/2011 22:37:47   
Clutch
Member

My apologies about the language earlier, it was not called for. But I do not regret what I said. Cinderella, your build was not affected because it was a pretty balanced build in the first place if i'm not mistaken. I, and many others, must either choose to have a balanced build or basically get destroyed in the game due to lack of any other option. I invite anyone out there to try a BH build that has a massacre in the strategy and can still win even 80% of the games. There is no option anymore. A good time ago, you could either take time in every battle to ensure a higher percentage win at the cost of a longer game everytime. Or a lower percentage of wins for a quicker, more risky match. Now I don't know about you, but sometimes I just feel like getting on, doing some massive damage and getting off. Now does that mean I suck at this game and have no creativeness? No. It means i'm a college student who doesn't have the time necessary to get those 300 wins with that 95% win rate.
AQ Epic  Post #: 55
4/9/2011 23:49:06   
Cinderella
Always a Princess


 Clutch, you can still have an unbalanced build- just spamming strength is no longer practically a guaranteed win.

And I'm a college student, too- graduate student, actually. I don't have a 95% win rate, and I have a busy life too. So, I feel your pain with not wanting to keep trying out builds by trial-and-error. But changing things up can be just as fun as spamming one stat and going HULK SMASH! :3
Post #: 56
4/10/2011 0:43:01   
xxmirxx
Member
 

 I also do not regret what I said to you .
quote:

only reason you don't like update cause you were one to as well be stat abuser. its about dam time you guys feel what mages going thoughall year .



now you can understand why mages whine alot. this type of so call impovements just worst us even more.

< Message edited by xxmirxx -- 4/10/2011 0:44:02 >
AQ Epic  Post #: 57
4/10/2011 2:01:09   
earth breather
Member

I concur. And at the same time remove passive ability stat requirements-the whole reason I quit this game..
DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 58
4/10/2011 13:05:04   
IsaiahtheMage
Member

@Ambien,Smackie El Frog and XxMirxx You 3 are unbelivable how about you shut your yap and listen to what she has to say. You do relize not everyone can "evole" you do realize Non varuims are toast? We dont have enough stats to get around the stat reduction and without a robot which we mostly dont have focus builds is useless. So what do we have? Huge passive requirements,Stat Reduction(With no way to get pass because of much less stats then variums),Focus Removal(Useless without a bot) and you say "evole or die" and tell her to "quit complaing" and said shes upset because her build is ruined and tell her to stop "crying". WOW! You all have no care for others but yourself you do realize all builds in Battle Strategy is useless and inaccurate now,and you do realize all those hard builds we worked on down to every stat point to make it perfect is ruined right? Talk about selfish and no care for others!

< Message edited by IsaiahtheMage -- 4/10/2011 13:07:03 >
AQW Epic  Post #: 59
4/10/2011 13:33:43   
Calogero
Member

@Isaiah
You are unbelievable aswell.. No need to attack them personaly... Like her, they have their opinion aswell.

Now to keep this thread alive instead of Locked because of people attacking other people instead of being on topic

I find the release to be good, STR mercs/BH's still are Strong, same with Tech abuser Mercs etc.
It's just that they do Less damage now... Now I actualy have a chance against Stat abusers.

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AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 60
4/10/2011 13:41:59   
Light Stridr
Member

@andy123
I find it odd about how you skipped over tech mages.
From what I have gathered, 5 focus TMs with bots, which were not very good in the first place, have been nerfed slightly (though the other classes have been nerfed, so that balances), but support mages have been nerfed similarly to support builds, and non-variums have just been driven into the dirt (again).
AQW Epic  Post #: 61
4/10/2011 14:13:06   
Calogero
Member

I don't really have a lot of problems with it, I'm a Mage aswell, I just remade my build...
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 62
4/10/2011 16:03:40   
xxmirxx
Member
 

 IsaiahtheMage I have read her post.
AQ Epic  Post #: 63
4/10/2011 16:10:44   
Sparticus
Member

To Clutch, Cindy and the rest of you. This update was just fine. For those of you who don't know, I have a Alt Merc and he's still using the same stun/zerker build to great effectiveness. Since my BH builds are well known I don't have to tell you that this update did little to them. I made a seriously odd 45/45 build that still works great despite the update, in fact it works better now then before. I bet if you all spent some time thinking about this update, you could find a novel build in there. I saw some great new builds today and I doubt those players would be considered unoriginal. Just relax and work it out.
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 64
4/10/2011 19:16:30   
One Winged Angel1357
Member


 This update punished spammer builds while my semi ballanced build got even stronger with this update i just needed to go back to stratigist style playing which seems to be long lost to the ED community
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 65
4/10/2011 20:41:29   
Cinderella
Always a Princess


 @ Sparticus- I was defending the update.
Post #: 66
4/10/2011 20:46:21   
goldslayer1
Member

quote:

This update punished spammer builds while my semi ballanced build got even stronger with this update i just needed to go back to stratigist style playing which seems to be long lost to the ED community

exactly its like u talk strategy with the complainers and they are like "whut?!?!?"
so then they complain more about builds being OPed.
AQW Epic  Post #: 67
4/10/2011 21:07:36   
Darius
Member

WOW... :D This thread really just proves how PvP ruins communities. Whining and flaming each other because your OP'd builds got spanked by the Dhe Ehm's idea of balance, really is solid proof that PvP is pure evil and does nothing but promote flaming and arrogant behavior. It's amusing, really, seeing what I've always known to be true manifest itself in its purest form. You guys really are just a bunch of babies, you DESERVED to be spanked like this. >:D And to those defending the update, you are few and far-between in the world of PvP, and I raise my thumb to the likes of you. ^^b

Have a nice day, everyone. Muahahahaha...
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 68
4/10/2011 21:46:07   
sk1tz
Member
 

 remove agility, make field medic 3 turn cooldown, make stat 70 then +2 stat points needs on top. problem solved. welcome back a new fresh beta/gamma.
Post #: 69
4/10/2011 22:16:55   
xxmirxx
Member
 
quote:

WOW... :D This thread really just proves how PvP ruins communities. Whining and flaming each other because your OP'd builds got spanked by the Dhe Ehm's idea of balance, really is solid proof that PvP is pure evil and does nothing but promote flaming and arrogant behavior. It's amusing, really, seeing what I've always known to be true manifest itself in its purest form. You guys really are just a bunch of babies, you DESERVED to be spanked like this. >:D And to those defending the update, you are few and far-between in the world of PvP, and I raise my thumb to the likes of you. ^^b Have a nice day, everyone. Muahahahaha...



not all of us here were whinning begging for fame. like me and fay beee.
AQ Epic  Post #: 70
4/11/2011 9:52:17   
IsaiahtheMage
Member

@Darious Not all of us are that way. Also how could you blame us?! We spent our money on this game and create our own builds down every tiny stat point for what? To get it spacked in our face to get nerfed and have to waste thousand of credits thinking of a new build? And now the entire battle index strategy is inaccurate! No we dont deserve we are NOT a bunch of babies your just flaming us all! So how about you leave plz troll.

@Andy123 They deserved it they attacked Angels for speaking for everyone all they said was "evole or die" "quit crying" "shes just upset because she was nerfed" they in NO WAY helped this post or even said anything constructive at least I agree and actually speak for non variums rather then myself.

@Mirx Yeah but still you obviously dont care. All you call it is crying because your a STR Merc whos been nerfed. You dont see the bigger picture or eithier you dont care.

< Message edited by IsaiahtheMage -- 4/11/2011 10:23:27 >
AQW Epic  Post #: 71
4/11/2011 10:22:44   
IsaiahtheMage
Member

I double posted by accident plz delete this comment.

< Message edited by IsaiahtheMage -- 4/11/2011 10:24:21 >
AQW Epic  Post #: 72
4/11/2011 16:44:21   
Clutch
Member

Heres my problem guys, I'm a bounty hunter, true to its intentions. I smoke, I massacre, I use the blades. I've always done that, always plan on doing that. Thats what I enjoy about my character in this game. That's me. Now I will admit. Around Christmas time when the frost blades and shadow arts came out. We were a bit OP'd, I agree with that. Now, the developers realized this and added restrictions to the main parts of our arsenal, our passives. A Support and Tech req. A high str bounties least two things. Fine, we lost heavily there and were forced to add technology and support to our builds while taking that 1 or 2 damage bonus to our focus, fine, we would survive that to make us even... and if you studied the leaderboards after that. BH's like me, Dax, Donna, and others went down to about 92% wins with NPCing. That was a reasonable number that I felt we BH's of the highest caliber could achieve without being called OP'd. I was sad but this release completely messed with us blade BH's. I feel we are now penalized for using claws. Not only have we lost our 2 to 3 damage focus points (Equivalent to 8 or 12 str points!) But if we even try to put strength above 50 and be forced to disregard blood lust and shadow arts, it gets even harder now with the higher costs to increase strength above 50. So our only option is to have that balanced build Sparticus and Cinderella are speaking so highly of.

I know, instead of complaining, why not come up with a solution? My solution is this. Take the req's off blood lust and shadow arts. That way. If we want to disregard support and technology, let us. We'll be paying for it in more stats needed to be put in strength for damage. And mages and mercs can easily destroy us with tech weapons and stunning attacks. But at least we can have what we want, quick, fun, battles. Either way :)

AQ Epic  Post #: 73
4/11/2011 16:54:46   
goldslayer1
Member

quote:

I know, instead of complaining, why not come up with a solution? My solution is this. Take the req's off blood lust and shadow arts. That way. If we want to disregard support and technology, let us. We'll be paying for it in more stats needed to be put in strength for damage. And mages and mercs can easily destroy us with tech weapons and stunning attacks. But at least we can have what we want, quick, fun, battles. Either way :)

thats insane
ur only gonna make BH more OP than it is.
AQW Epic  Post #: 74
4/11/2011 17:52:21   
SuperiorLx
Member
 

 I agree, the new stats update is just bad, because it make your stats lower, it'll encourage you to do a Str/Support build....
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