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4/13/2011 10:57:33   
IsaiahtheMage
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It is useless I just saw a STR Merc two hit me his name was Sir Waffle(I think) with double strike then zerk so even if maul had a cooldown and was nerfed they still have double strike and atom smasher to drain massive EP for only 6-15 EP. No matter what you do they have 4 STR based moves (Beseker 70-88 % more dmg,Double Strike 30-48 % more dmg,Maul 20% defence ignore and 40% stun chance at max, and Atom Smasher drains opponets energy based on a % of your STR so STR Mercs will pwn with these moves.So the point is no matter how many times you nerf they can always adapt and get around. So....

Discuss.

< Message edited by IsaiahtheMage -- 4/13/2011 10:58:43 >
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4/13/2011 10:59:24   
PlungerMistress
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There will always be a type of build that someone has trouble with, you just have to find a build that can defeat them.
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4/13/2011 11:01:19   
TurkishIncubus
Member

You cant Nerf all these skills but Putting Tech or support requirment to Hybrid will make them defenseless and other ppl can easyly win them when they didnt do 2 hit.When their rate decrease to %60s most mercs will stop using str build.

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4/13/2011 11:13:35   
Snaipera
Member

^ it would also stop the abuse of support and technology . It NEEDS a dexterity requirement . Deadly aim ,bloodlust and shadow arts all have requirements ( reroute should have one too ,but I rarely see people who max it out , and let's face it , Mages cannot use stats as effective as mercs)
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4/13/2011 11:36:46   
TurkishIncubus
Member

^

Str build uses dex serously how dex req will stop it :S , Hybrid armor is the only reason that make Mercs always use Stat Abuse ,

Some mercs Have +100 tech and they have incredible Defense too with Hybrid =Tech Abuse

Some Mercs have less dex(but +13 def) and give all of their stats to support =supp Abuse

We all know STR mercs but they will have to give some stat points to dex without Hybrid

Hybrid armor is the only thing that allow abuse build in this game
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4/13/2011 11:41:56   
goldslayer1
Member

@isaiah
they already nerfed hybrid armor.
and if they add a req on it people will just find a way around it just like they did to bloodlust and shadow arts.

< Message edited by goldslayer1 -- 4/13/2011 11:42:57 >
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4/13/2011 12:11:42   
SCORPIOZZz
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 ^ lol what the hek r u saying :O ??? they nerfed hybrid armor :??? ? lllllloooooooooooooolllll :P r u dumb in math or what ????? in this last update they buffed mercenaries bcz now each point on hybrid is worth more dexterity lol :)
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4/13/2011 12:17:41   
goldslayer1
Member

@scorp
yes as a matter of fact they did nerf it.
back then it use to give u twice as much defense
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4/13/2011 12:26:44   
goldslayer1
Member

@above
ur a noob BH.
i dont see how merc is OP, if u cant beat it, make a new build that can instead of whinning about it.
and btw im a BH
i beat mercs all the time even with their hybrid. the fact that u cant beat them doesn't mean anyone else cant, everyone looses and someone has to be beaten them for them to get losses.
if ur not one of those that isn't bating them, then thats ur fault.
like i said get a better build.
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4/13/2011 12:29:50   
Rayman
Banned


 LOL i can kil everything easily including u my build is better hopefully and im a very proud and pro bh

Stop insulting dumass

Btw i never changed class im a true bh.

I start playing with my bh at beta and my other at ALPHA.

< Message edited by raymanpwner -- 4/13/2011 12:32:32 >
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4/13/2011 12:31:15   
goldslayer1
Member

@ray
seems like ur blind , read what ur typing and see whos the one insulting.

quote:

dumass


< Message edited by goldslayer1 -- 4/13/2011 12:32:36 >
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4/13/2011 12:33:13   
Rayman
Banned


 Good for u.

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4/13/2011 12:34:32   
goldslayer1
Member

@ray
u never changed ur class, congratulations
u missed out on 2000 rating points.
just because u never changed ur class doesn't mean ur a true BH. and just because u change doesn't mean u cant be a true BH tech mage or merc.

< Message edited by goldslayer1 -- 4/13/2011 12:35:34 >
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4/13/2011 13:10:47   
The Death Angel
Member

Wow guys, settle down. No need to start a flame war here. I actually don't want to see this thread being locked, because this is an actual issue which has to be handled.
And obviously it's the Hybrid ability that the Merc's posses which is the source of all this controversity. I'd vote for a requirement for Hybrid. That may potentially prevent stat abuse.
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4/13/2011 13:15:22   
goldslayer1
Member

@raz
if its a requirement it will probably and most likely be at 38 dex or tech or support (if its support/tech thats just an overkill forcing us into support or focus builds, and trust me u wont like that, because after that u will be whinning and QQing about support and 5 focus.)

and like i said before, if u cant do what a lvl 27-28 can do then u should be ashamed of urselves.
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4/13/2011 13:21:08   
The Death Angel
Member

Then it's settled. Dexterity it shall be.
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4/13/2011 13:22:54   
goldslayer1
Member

@raz
good cause the smart str mercs use more than 38 dex
also fits in nicely with artillery

< Message edited by goldslayer1 -- 4/13/2011 13:23:36 >
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4/13/2011 13:24:09   
The Death Angel
Member

Then it's settled. Removal of Hybrid it shall be!
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4/13/2011 13:25:08   
Calogero
Member

I don't really have that much problems with STR mercs now.
I still lose to some of them but most of them fall for my Mage build.

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4/13/2011 13:25:53   
goldslayer1
Member

@raz
if u remove hybrid remove a passive from the other classes aswell
reroute
and bloodlust or shadow arts?
maybe bloodlust because they regain about 40-80 hp regained from bloodlust alone while keeping an offensive.

@andy
coming from a mage that says alot

< Message edited by goldslayer1 -- 4/13/2011 13:26:42 >
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4/13/2011 13:28:13   
The Death Angel
Member

Yeah, let's remove all of those skills. Won't really affect me personally.
It's incredible how people haven't thought of just nerfing it, instead of giving it requirements. Oh wait, let's see what the Merc's have to say about that.
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4/13/2011 13:29:58   
goldslayer1
Member

@raz
im fine with a dex requirement.
make it tech and ur gonna see alot of tech abusing tank mercs with bunker buster lvl 10.
make it support and ur gonna see alot more support mercs.

also if u didn't noticed
that higher ur lvl the more hybrid diminishes
for every lvl u are its weaker

< Message edited by goldslayer1 -- 4/13/2011 13:30:35 >
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4/13/2011 16:45:47   
PivotalDisorder
Member

I wrote alot about this but whats the point. Its the same arguments going back and forth.
if a bh mentions str mercs getting 2 turn kills the str mercs just bring up shadowarts and on it goes.

and isnt anyone sick of trying to work around 1-2 bunker busters, 1-2 artillery strikes and a big aux attack in most 2v2 matches ?

@goldslayer: hybrid armor is too powerful at lower levels. maybe it should be a percentage to make you happy :)

< Message edited by Jehannum -- 4/13/2011 16:48:54 >
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4/13/2011 16:56:50   
Competition
Member

You can't always win, accepting a loss is a part of every game. If you can't handle it, NPC for the rest of your life.

@below, obviously not. But I've seen people say they win the majority of these STR builds, and still complain.

EDIT: Also, I find it funny when people complain about a build. Why don't you try it yourselves and see how "overpowered" STR builds are.

< Message edited by Competition -- 4/13/2011 17:41:06 >
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4/13/2011 17:10:29   
PivotalDisorder
Member

you cant always win.......thats ur answer to the balance issues ?
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