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1/30/2012 0:59:19   
Nexus...
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Every release EpicDuel disappoints in some fashion or another. For the last month or so I have seen my class (blood mage) get continually nerfed week after week, making an already weak class even weaker (thats a total of 4 wee(a)ks in 1 sentence). This week was no different, and instead of coming in the form of a replaced skill or nerfed stat (like usual), it was this thing. So, whats my problem with the new bot? Any class without an offensive debuff (meaning w/o Malfunction or Smoke), has just been thrown under the bus. As you know, there are only 2 classes that don't have an offensive debuff, Mercenary and Blood Mage. While Mercenary has a passive that covers both defense and resistance (a debatable change), BloodMage is left to use skills that cost energy to cover their defenses. What you have to realize is that Blood Mage cannot take or regain energy, making it the only class that cannot do so, and therefore the class that must use its energy based skills all the more wisely. Not only that, but you must also consider that 2 of the top 3 classes in the game use smoke. Whats the significance there? Berzerker is considered the core damage skill for most Blood Mages, but it also requires that you hit your opponent. When smoked, most Blood Mages will spend their limited energy so that they can regain their defense, and have a better chance of successfully landing the cherished damage dealer (berzerker). The new bot gets rid of all this. It makes the limited energy I spend absolutely useless, and leaves me vulnerable to my enemies attacks. Further, I can say that in 2/3 matches it decreases the chance that I will hit my opponent. It is so sad to see this game degrade in the way that it has, and this was definitely a tipping point for me. Does the balance team not realize that the decisions they make effect every single class? Don't tell me to go get a new build, Blood Mage barely has any build options left at all, and the one I have worked on for the past month was utterly ruined by this bot. Where the assault bot is purely defensive and slows the pace at which your enemy can kill you, the Heartbreaker bot is purely offensive, and increases the rate at which your enemy can kill you. The worst part is that there is nothing I can do about it.

What do you think? Do you see the problem here? Would you agree that this Bot promotes 1 build, while killing off many of the others? It seems being defensive (with skills) is no longer a valid option because your enemy now has control over what skills make sense. You see, an enemy with this new robot can now lower my defenses, and than lower the effectiveness of my preventative defense measure (which costs precious energy). Its redundant, its build breaking, and it needs to be fixed.

I could say more, but in the interest of keeping this thread alive, I won't.

Prophet
*Sorry of the typos
*Please do not flame

< Message edited by Nexus... -- 1/30/2012 1:27:03 >
Epic  Post #: 1
1/30/2012 1:06:53   
Hun Kingq
Member

The new bot is the gamma bot on steroids.
Epic  Post #: 2
1/30/2012 1:10:51   
Angels Holocaust
Member

You have nothing to worry about, the balance team has you in the palm of their hands. There going to realize this sooner or later and nerf the Azrael bot right after 80% of the epicduel population buys it.
Post #: 3
1/30/2012 1:11:34   
Retrosaur
Member
 

New bot is lame.....

I still prefer Gamma. Much easier to control. Besides, Assault is better than Azrael
AQW Epic  Post #: 4
1/30/2012 1:12:13   
xxmirxx
Member
 

Nexus... if you think blood mages are worst think again its mages always get nerfs.
quote:

The new bot is the gamma bot on steroids.
were not stuck in gamma anymore there delt robots.

< Message edited by xxmirxx -- 1/30/2012 1:16:10 >
AQ Epic  Post #: 5
1/30/2012 1:19:11   
Xendran
Member

Does it make money?
Yes.

Therefore in the eyes of AE: Successful release.
AQ DF Epic  Post #: 6
1/30/2012 1:19:48   
Nexus...
Member

@Angels

Sounds like EpicDuel to me. Make something overpowered, make everyone buy it, and then nerf it out of existence.

@Hype

Did you read my post? Are you a Blood Mage, have you ever been one? I don't think you get it.

@Mir

Yes, Tech Mage has had its fair share of nerfs, but it started at the top. Blood Mage started at the bottom, and has been getting progressively worse. However, you wouldn't know because you have been gone for 5 months. Trust me, my first class was Tech Mage, I played it during its golden era, saw it crash, burn, fall, die, still played it, saw it get nerfed some more, still played it, saw it get nerfed again, switched to Blood Mage and the process started all over again, scratch the golden era.

@Xen

That should be in the EpicDuel handbook under "EpicDuel Philosophy." o.o


Prophet

< Message edited by Nexus... -- 1/30/2012 1:21:49 >
Epic  Post #: 7
1/30/2012 1:20:16   
xxmirxx
Member
 

And people who don't own robots. Nexus... tech mages always getting worst every nerf effect us more then other classes. I agree blood mages are getting worse but lets face it. Blood mages were always worse out of new classes. Out of all 6 classes tech mages are at bottom and blood mages are second.

< Message edited by xxmirxx -- 1/30/2012 1:26:36 >
AQ Epic  Post #: 8
1/30/2012 1:31:51   
Nexus...
Member

I don't want to make this a "This class is bad" discussion, so lets just say you have the right to an opinion, and it differs from mine.

Now leave it be.


Prophet
Epic  Post #: 9
1/30/2012 1:32:18   
Rui..
Banned


I agree with you on the new bot. If the development team took a week to make the robot then its obvious they havent tested it. Even if they tested like they claim they just fail miserably at it.Take this example: tech mage with 120 tech pops in 2on2 with bolt and rain with a level 5 matrix. What chance does if stand against a bounty or tact merc with 100 strength and the new bot?Moreover its unblockable meaning more stat/strength abusers.The game has come down to assault bot and the heart bot thats it.

Robots need to be overhauled.

Its about time assault bot and heart bot get their specials changed to improve with focus.

Secondly all robot specials need to be changed to a one time use only like the yeti.

Thirdly all robot specials need to be changed to unblockable since they just one time use.

Moreover the yeti and heart specials need to be changed to 30% damage on special cause they give a huge advantage in the fight.Personally this update has wreaked the game for the non var users.

< Message edited by Rui.. -- 1/30/2012 1:39:18 >
Post #: 10
1/30/2012 3:27:28   
xxmirxx
Member
 

Rui.. non varium are use to this I get point non varium are weak because were free. I feel non varium seriously we need buff like we really need robots that are good. because lets just face it non varium won't last long in good faction.
AQ Epic  Post #: 11
1/30/2012 4:39:49   
huuduy1
Member
 

............. nothing to say .......... shouldn't buy baby yeti => buy this Heartbreaker bot :(( <- This sht stronger than baby yeti like double :((
P/s : Rui... wanna be my batman? :))

< Message edited by huuduy1 -- 1/30/2012 4:43:39 >
Epic  Post #: 12
1/30/2012 4:43:10   
AllenLingChen
Member

There needs to be reqs for bots. This stops high str assault spamming...
AQ  Post #: 13
1/30/2012 4:49:46   
Colarndo
Member

I fully agree with Nexeus. I have been a BM since new classes was released. I have(all the bots that were released) bought the heartbreaker bot. It is only good(for nothing) for debuffing the NPCs energy shield they put up. Other then that, I suppose it's more suited hunter type classes that smoke/mal+ strike you till you're dead.
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 14
1/30/2012 5:48:37   
King FrostLich
Member

Honestly, heartbreaker bot is only strong when you have a strong debuff(smokescreen, malf) and when your opponent uses DM or technician but it's really useless when facing a player with a tank build + assault bot.
Epic  Post #: 15
1/30/2012 6:06:18   
veneeria
Member

I kinda wish i could block them/deflect .

< Message edited by veneeria -- 1/30/2012 6:17:37 >
AQ AQW Epic  Post #: 16
1/30/2012 6:26:23   
Stabilis
Member

Did you mean a defensive stat nerf instead of offensive buff? The 2 classes whom use intimidate are somewhat out of luck. That nerfing skill benefits off of support, while a class like BM is best suited with strength, focus, or attack skills.
AQ Epic  Post #: 17
1/30/2012 9:37:48   
aomont
Member

+1 King FrostLich !
Made your words mine.
I'm BM and use assault bot. If the other player uses assault bot too, I can choose to either use it or use the debuff skills.
BMs without assault bot will suffer more.

< Message edited by aomont -- 1/30/2012 9:38:23 >
Epic  Post #: 18
1/30/2012 10:00:28   
Calogero
Member

for now, I'm not having to much problems with those that use the New Bot...
Using my BM Dex build and my wins are still rather reliable.

Only problem I have is when fighting STR abusers with the new Bot...
like 27 + 34 str, 32 smoke and new bot... It's pretty much impossible to counter that even with Assault Bot...


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AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 19
1/30/2012 10:06:20   
Oba
Member

The new bot aint stronger then the other one's. I for one think gamma and assault is way better. And BM is quite strong now a days, in both 1vs1 and 2vs2.
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 20
1/30/2012 10:29:36   
Lord Machaar
Member

I'm Agreed with you in some points and some points not. Now when you said the bot need to get nerfed... Just tell me how many bots they Release till now 4 ? Compare it to any other Weapon. Side arms or Auxiliaries ... No comparison that's why Bots Should be the Most Powerful Weapon because it's Almost Rare and there are few, you know and The ED team should take a lot of time to create/release one, they even screw last update just to release the heartbreaker bot and it's even buged here you need to realize that Bots Should be Powerful and i think even this Heartbreaker bot isn't "Powerful" enough according to others and here where i am agree with you. The bot Affect only on the Classes that don't have "Passive skills or Defenses" and Matches the Classes that have deBuffs. Well I think if they gonna waste all that time and players patience to release one bot. They should make it in this meaning "Epic" and for BM the problem isn't the bot... After Nerfing TlM and Upgrading CH/ There is only 1 class which is BM to be upgraded now BM class is complicated and that obvious By it Skill tree it's a combine of many skills from different Classes so i think the problem in Skills not in Bot or any other class plus i think After TLM and CH Decade it's BM turn.

< Message edited by Lord Machaar -- 1/30/2012 11:29:09 >
MQ Epic  Post #: 21
1/30/2012 10:43:50   
Remorse
Member

Like I said in the release page,

This robot is gonna kill balance and whatever is left of variety.


I am quite shocked the balance team allowed this.

They have created terriable combinations of classes some too powerful to allow vareity,

So what do they do?

The exact oppisite of what they should be doing.

Counters need to be created not destoyed or varity will never rise as long as thier is an easy sucseful way to do things.



What needs to be revived is the shield using BUILDs, the turn taking startigical builds, NOT the 2 second kill builds, they get easy enough kills as it is.


Few counter creating ideas,
Calmer Bot: special-passively reduce oppenents rage given to them by 50% IF they out damage you that turn. (NOte: wont make tanks Oped because they wont get out damaged.)
Result: Give sheild casters a chance without getting constantly raged through and killed before they can start to attack.

Interrupter Bot: Special- causes oppenets bot's special to fail, send your robot into cool down and oppenet gets to re do thier turn.(also sends oppenents robot into cool down)
Result: Allows players to duel with the safe knowledge their build wont be countered with pesky balance ruining bots.

Effector bot: Special- Passively Stops all oppenents NEGATIVE wepon effects (eg.Frostbite, Curse, Azreal curse) Note: does not stop positive ones such as increased connectivity
Result: Allows players to sucsefully pull of their build and possible counters without as many unfotunate interuptions.


Result from bots: Hopefully some more variety!




Epic  Post #: 22
1/30/2012 15:00:01   
Wraith
Member
 

Yes the Azrael Borg is OP

No BM is not weak. I've been 2-3 shotted several times. X_X

But anything other than those extreme StR max zerker builds fail. In a way, BM is weak.

I prefer assault Bot over buffs though.
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 23
1/30/2012 15:17:31   
Oba
Member

After reading and hearing abit more. Yes the new bot is OP. I did not know that its special was unblockable. This need a nerf, ASAP!
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 24
1/30/2012 18:42:19   
rej
Member

My solution: I will simply continue to quietly protest overpriced, overpowered items by holding a one-person boycott against them.

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