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2/16/2012 19:31:12   
dont give up
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then they should make rusted assualt bot phy what u think guys?
Post #: 76
2/16/2012 20:53:30   
IsaiahtheMage
Member

^No. Then that would be a different bot altogether. It should be energy just like the last and the debuff should be at least 50%.
AQW Epic  Post #: 77
2/16/2012 20:57:55   
Wraith
Member
 

 @Isaiah: That would ruin Varium advantage.

40% is enough.

If 50% or more, I expect 50k or higher price. I know for a fact I will be able to farm that within a month, so no problem there.

Not all non-variums should have a bot - only the most devoted should.
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 78
2/16/2012 21:08:00   
IsaiahtheMage
Member

@Wraith 40 - 40% is 24. 35 - 40% = 21. 30 - 40% = 18. Most players who use debuffs usually reduce tech/dex by the amounts I just stated. Meaning all debuffs would be basically useless as you would still take a ton of damage. 60% is what it should be. Besides 50,000k? Devoted? We are talking about average non variums here. Not you or any other varuim or pro non-var players. The average non-var has problem earning half of that. With all the lvl 34 full vars in PvP at high lvls. The price should be around 15,000 - 20,000k. No more.

< Message edited by IsaiahtheMage -- 2/16/2012 21:37:18 >
AQW Epic  Post #: 79
2/16/2012 21:25:39   
  WhiteTiger

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quote:

40% is enough.


To be honest, anything under 50% is just completely useless, which is why I think a 60% debuff is a fair value. If you feel the Assault Bot's special should be buffed to 90% in order to compensate for its cost, I won't disagree at all. If you take some examples into consideration:

If I had 58 technology (21-26 resistance) and my opponent malfunctions me for -35 technology, I will be left with 23 technology (8-10 resistance). With the assault bot, I can recover 80% of my technology that was debuffed, bringing it back to 51 technology (18-22 resistance). If the Rusty Assault Bot recovers 40% of my technology, it'll bring my technology to 37 (13-16 resistance). If it was 60%, my technology would be 44 (16-20 resistance), which would be a fair amount although still quite a significant amount of technology lost.

For the price, I would say the 15,000-30,000 range would be fair, although I can totally see it going to 50,000 because it only costs credits. Keep in mind that the majority of non-varium players do not have a boatload of credits at their disposal nor can they get a boatload easily due to the fact that they are unable to win battles.

quote:

If 50% or more, I expect 50k or higher price. I know for a fact I will be able to farm that within a month, so no problem there.


You're looking at those numbers from the perspective of a varium player. If I could win 50% of my battles, I could probably do that too, although that is unfortunately not the case. Also, NPCs and Power Hour are not legitimate reasons to raise the price of an item because not everyone enjoys constantly fighting one to three things constantly and power hour is not available to everyone.

I too feel that the price of the Assault Bot is steeply priced at $10, but that is also not a legitimate reason to cripple a non-varium player's chances at obtaining a robot that is actually useful in battle. There are tons of games on the internet and if it comes to a point where non-varium players are crippled too much they cannot even enjoy the game slightly, they will leave for another game, which would also cause varium to be at an even lesser advantage since you'll be facing varium players more often.

< Message edited by WhiteTiger -- 2/16/2012 21:27:21 >
AQW Epic  Post #: 80
2/16/2012 21:28:25   
Wraith
Member
 

 @Above: I do about 5 rounds of NPCs a day...roughly 60-70 minutes...

Fine, 50% is great.

However, the average non-Varium should not have a bot. Has he worked hard for it? No. 15k is only 500 Battles. I could do that in a WEEK.

Hmm...60% at about 35k-40k is great.

< Message edited by Wraith -- 2/16/2012 21:30:17 >
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 81
2/16/2012 21:30:11   
One Winged Angel1357
Member


 @White It doesn't sound like we will be getting a full powered bot either you can get the rusty one or the refurbished one not a fresh off the line bot. So that 15K to 20K would be my guess because if you look at the bikes how many F2P's have them and they are the most expensive thing we can buy if you discount enhancements(which is the sink most of our credits end up in just for us to get no refund on them)
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 82
2/16/2012 21:31:14   
Retrosaur
Member
 

 @Isiah
No thanks at all? Be thankful your at least getting a nonvar bot. I don't think the devs would have even considered adding the bot at all. If a class change costs 50k creds, a nonvar bot should be priced around 35k.
AQW Epic  Post #: 83
2/16/2012 21:33:37   
IsaiahtheMage
Member

@White 100% agreed. 60% debuff is good and Rusty Assualt Bot should cost 20,000 credits. @Wraith Then barely any Non-var could get it. Do not count Non-vars who on the all time leaderboard. As they are far beyond a normal non-var. @One Winged Rusty and refurbished are the same thing. @hypedxlord And what good would that be if its useless? We have a non-var bot,its useless, but at least we have it hooray!

< Message edited by IsaiahtheMage -- 2/16/2012 21:36:05 >
AQW Epic  Post #: 84
2/16/2012 21:42:46   
One Winged Angel1357
Member


 @Isaiah they make it sound like two different things in the DN they should have just called both of them rusty or Refurbished because the connotations of the words are so different. Rusty makes it sound beat up and nasty while refurbished makes it sound restored. Even if it is the same thing the wording is just off.

@Hyperxlord We should be thankful we are getting a bot but it has been something on the Dev's list if you recall the Bot system code was more or less junk and the newest promo bot was the tester of the new system to allow bots to be easier to add so F2P's could get them without killing Titan and Hudelf(still not used to his new name but I will eventually) and of course more bots for the varium users
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 85
2/16/2012 21:48:08   
IsaiahtheMage
Member

@OWA Yeah but if you read the first few comments on page 1 you will see they are the same based on Cindy's response to Andy's comment.
AQW Epic  Post #: 86
2/16/2012 21:55:16   
One Winged Angel1357
Member


 @Isaiah My memory isn't that great since I'm sick but I've read the comment so my memory is most def faded
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 87
2/16/2012 22:17:19   
DeathGuard
Member

quote:

then they should make rusted assualt bot phy what u think guys?
This made me think a lot, it is good idea! Why? It gives non-variums variety on robot's damage, if you want physical, you can get rusted assault bot, if you want higher debuff and energy damage, get assault, sounds good for me.
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 88
2/17/2012 3:30:35   
King FrostLich
Member

Think about the normal battles that non varium face in a random 1v1. A tact merc these days have strong smokescreen that drains 36+ dexterity. If rusted assault bot's debuff was only 50%, that would only mean 1/2 of the debuff and is still underpowered. 65% I believe, is the best amount for debuffing.
Epic  Post #: 89
2/17/2012 4:16:03   
Darkeroid
Member

@Wraith
Imagine 8 out of 10 battle facing the tank/strength TLMs and CHs as a non varium.It is REALLY hard to obtain 30-45k credits,unless you are a CH or a TLM.But yes 15k is a little too low.20k would be the perfect price.Also,the bot needs to lower at least 55% to make it worth the 20k credits.
Epic  Post #: 90
2/17/2012 5:09:02   
AQWPlayer
Member

I wonder...what if there were different versions of the rusted assault bot?
Rusted Assault Bot V1 - 3 less damage and 50% debuff - 10k credits
Rusted Assault Bot V2 - 2 less damage and 60% debuff - 30k credits
Rusted Assault Bot V3 - 1 less damage and 70% debuff - 50k credits
So basically the more hardcore (or lucky :P) you are, the better bot you get :3 (unless you wanna get it through PvP, which is not quite possible for a nonvar)
AQW  Post #: 91
2/17/2012 5:37:57   
Gepard Acht
Member

^ it is possible as long as it doesnt have the same luck rate in the arcade, that thing is just a scammer
AQ AQW Epic  Post #: 92
2/17/2012 5:56:26   
drinde
Member

I'd say around 25-35K would be a fair price for a weaker Assault Bot.

It could be a Physical Bot so that the Varium users still have a Bot with some difference to it...
DF MQ Epic  Post #: 93
2/17/2012 6:04:11   
Gepard Acht
Member

^ admit it, you want a physical one instead of an energy one:P
AQ AQW Epic  Post #: 94
2/17/2012 6:07:16   
drinde
Member

Sure.

My mage wants an Energy one. xD
DF MQ Epic  Post #: 95
2/17/2012 6:13:03   
AQWPlayer
Member

Meh...If you want a physical bot, maybe they should make a super rusted heartbreaker bot :D
Super Rusted Heartbreaker Bot - 40% debuff and 50% damage - [InsertPriceHere] Oh wait nobody wants it so...you go find one in the trash can xD
AQW  Post #: 96
2/17/2012 7:30:44   
Striker44
Member

More bots , more focus builds ; Or not ?
Post #: 97
2/17/2012 15:32:30   
Laceration General
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 w/e the rusty one does it will most likely help a lot of none varium players until they are lucky enough to get the normal assault bot from a drop.

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Epic  Post #: 98
2/17/2012 15:54:15   
Oba
Member

Could you update now? I'm dying of boredom and I need something to do! xD

NEW INFORMATION ABOUT THE ROBOT!

quote:

Right now it has -2 damage (Physical) and 80% debuff reduction.
- NightWraith's twitter.

< Message edited by playarn -- 2/17/2012 17:08:55 >
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 99
2/17/2012 17:44:26   
IsaiahtheMage
Member

@playarn Crap. I wanted it to be energy. But it shockingly has 80% debuff reduction still! Awesome!!! That means it might cost a whole lot. I hope not. 20,000k is what I hope it is.
AQW Epic  Post #: 100
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