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9/29/2012 19:40:07   
SylvanElf
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 In addition to what's already been said, I believe TMs have a survivability issue as the only class with neither Bloodlust nor a passive armor. And we get little in exchange.
Post #: 601
9/29/2012 19:47:38   
Blaze The Aion Ender
Member

Although I still think they are OP, wow... Rayman, it worked... against concntration, current 1v1 daily champ
Ofcourse, his ratio isn't very good, he is still first

I'll keep fighting, but judging alone from the fact that the first fight I was in, the guy was as STR BH, something should be done, just lower that a little
It seems to be "today's main build" for the game, much like str BM used to be the most used
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 602
9/29/2012 20:06:03   
The Astral Fury
Member

We'll thats fine but the blocking is quite ridiculos.
DF AQW  Post #: 603
9/29/2012 20:21:16   
Rayman
Banned


 ^
Can I Know, What's Your Dex and Tell me your def without passive armors and armors too.
AQW Epic  Post #: 604
9/29/2012 20:25:57   
rayniedays56
Member

IDK why, but I am finding Mercenary to be the MOST fun class with the MOST build options at the moment! :D
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 605
9/29/2012 20:27:57   
Rayman
Banned


 ^
Cuz is the first time you use it at high lvls, always a new class is fun to use.

< Message edited by Rayman -- 9/29/2012 20:36:04 >
AQW Epic  Post #: 606
9/29/2012 20:36:42   
rayniedays56
Member

I actually changed my main into a merc. I am a level 35 Bunker Buster luck based merc now :3
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 607
9/29/2012 20:37:30   
The Astral Fury
Member

My dex is 50 plus 36= 86 dex and I'm still blocking like crazy my defense is 26-32 plus 10, I'm a level 31 going on 32 tactical merc. Do you block much more if the oppenents higher level? Acutually I'm 31 and fighting 35 BH's so would that affect the advantage at all?

< Message edited by dragonman111 -- 9/29/2012 20:49:22 >
DF AQW  Post #: 608
9/29/2012 20:52:19   
King Helios
Member

How would a Support Tactical Mercenary work in Juggernaut?
AQ MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 609
9/29/2012 20:57:37   
Rayman
Banned


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It Would Work Good But It Wont Give The Full Jugg Power Of TLM Class.
AQW Epic  Post #: 610
9/29/2012 21:02:28   
The Astral Fury
Member

Do you block more if your opponents 4-5 higher levels higher than you and do less damage and get delt more damage if he's higher than you? And should you feel bad if your level 31 and lose to a level 35, how big of an advantage does he have.
DF AQW  Post #: 611
9/29/2012 21:06:19   
King Helios
Member

RayMan, I was thinking that it could get very fast wins.

Do you or anyone know a suitable build?
AQ MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 612
9/29/2012 21:20:58   
Bunshichi
Member

^ You can try high hp str tank
MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 613
9/29/2012 21:40:39   
King Helios
Member

Meh. Infernal Interdictor + Jade Magnum / Dage Boomstick E + Serpent Striker + Mechachillid = o.o support!
AQ MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 614
9/29/2012 21:44:34   
Blaze The Aion Ender
Member

Hi dragon, I saw you ingame
Anyway
The build is working well
I've lost once in the last 20 fights, but of course, it was to a BH
It does take thinking to beat them, and but it is still very brutal, thanks to their smoke+shadow art's, they have an annoyingly high block chance

We should figure out a new passive to replace shadow arts that relies with less luck

I know it has been sad before, but it will make BH less annoying, and remove the part where you lose because of 1 hit
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 615
9/29/2012 21:58:25   
Mr. Black OP
Member

quote:

Reroute, no. Static Charge, maybe... I get quite a lot of Energy back. The most I regened is 24 EP (From 21 up to 45) with a 72 damage Critical Strike (16-20+35 primary), and I usually regen around 12-15 Energy without having a critical.

I barely get 6.
Epic  Post #: 616
9/29/2012 22:00:38   
The Astral Fury
Member

Lol funnest thing ever so I'm 31 Tlm as you know, he's a 35 bounty hunter.

1. He smokes.

2. I double strike

3. He cheap shots and gets blocked.

4. I pistol him in the face.

6. He Masscres.

7. I frenzy agian, but get blocked, so things are pretty fair.

8. he attacks I'm not looking so good.

9. I heal.

10. He rage pistols me, but dosen't do too high

11. I rage double strike and that was the end of him.


He was fully enchaned varuim too, but I still think there a tad OP.


DF AQW  Post #: 617
9/29/2012 22:03:27   
Ranloth
Banned
quote:

Reroute, no. Static Charge, maybe... I get quite a lot of Energy back. The most I regened is 24 EP (From 21 up to 45) with a 72 damage Critical Strike (16-20+35 primary), and I usually regen around 12-15 Energy without having a critical.


How the hell can you get 72 damage with range of 51-55? Crits and Rage allows you to ignore defences which makes you deal more damage but it does NOT raise it above the possible range. <_< >_>
AQ Epic  Post #: 618
9/29/2012 22:05:27   
Mr. Black OP
Member

^
Also 72 x .30= 21.6 which rounds to 22.
Epic  Post #: 619
9/29/2012 22:07:23   
Rayman
Banned


 with 72 dmg u Regain 22 Energy not 24.
AQW Epic  Post #: 620
9/29/2012 22:21:15   
Wraith
Member
 

 RayMan I PMed you :o

And as for balance...(just to not be offtopic)...

BM is definitely OP. Deadly Aim + Bludgeon is TOO MUCH. A turn wasted with EMP is a turn that you lose 40 health in.

This is just like teh old Stun-Zerk Mercs from the good ol' Gamma Days. Gamma was well balanced IMO, but with 6 classes -- I can understand how balancing can be difficult.

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AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 621
9/29/2012 22:30:26   
Mother1
Member

At Trans I did see someone get a 69 when the crit with the war weapon a few duels back. However this person did have negative resistance (Due to being malfed and having over 180 health) And the person who did this had high strength. But yeah that is the only way that could happen now but at least that energy gain was justified.
Epic  Post #: 622
9/29/2012 22:30:38   
Rayman
Banned


 ^^yup Lol.

< Message edited by Rayman -- 9/29/2012 22:37:13 >
AQW Epic  Post #: 623
9/29/2012 22:35:32   
D.v.D.
Member

Okay, so far what we have came up with ( in this and page 24 ) are:

- bm finds bh op

- ch finds bm op

- some build advice that don't appear often in balance discussion

- block complain
AQ Epic  Post #: 624
9/30/2012 2:13:58   
Blaze The Aion Ender
Member

Got an idea
For the str bounty hunter problem, without affecting cyber hunter

Make Blood Lust not be affected by massacre or vice versa

How would this be?
Small nerf, but it's about a 15-30 health difference removed from only str abuse BH
Let's face it, doing 70 damage minimum with the debuff in a turn without rage itself is a bonus
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