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12/7/2009 10:57:15

Wiseman
Member

This may be a shot in the dark but....I think clans and clubs should be considered a forum group. Now I understand that some people who make a clan are not very active, but heres my claim. I think that clan leaders who have proven their active by either posting regulary on C/C or helping out the C/C staff should be reconized. Clans and Clubs is a group of people on the forums with common gouls and if you look at the C/C GD thread you will notice that though the Clan Leaders have different clans they still work togather to improve C/C and come up with ideas and suggestions about the guild system of AQW. Then they take those ideas and work togather to improve them untill everybody agrees on them. The C/C spans all the AE games and some Clans operate in all of the games as well. Some clans are purely forum based and are active mainly on the AE forums. In my opinion a group of people on these forums that work togather and try to improve their area has the right to be considered a forum group.

*Note: If you decide to go with my suggestion I would like to note that the C/C head mod is not very active at this time. I suggest that the details of this idea should be discussed with the AK Theo as he has been the most active representative of the Clans and Clubs lately.

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12/7/2009 11:10:17

Zyrain
The Arcane

I am an active Member of the Clans/Clubs community, even more so than you.
And I highly disagree with your Suggestion.
There's no point in creating a Forum Group that will serve no purpose.
Clans/Clubs is an open Forum for all Members, not like CA or L&L.

You don't need to "prove" anything.

An interpretation of your Suggestion is;
Anyone who Posts in Forum Suggestions should Join the FR Group, or anyone who Postys in AQW should Join the AQW Group.

There's just no need at all for a C/C Group.

~Zyrain

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12/7/2009 11:23:08

Wiseman
Member

I see your point Zyrain and I understand what you mean about the C/C being an *open* board, but im not completaly sure if just anyone should be able to post in *all* of the areas of C/C. The only way to make it where that is the case is to make a forum group. This is just my *opinion* of course and im not trying to sound mean. My logic just tells me that only C/C Leaders who prove themselves to be active and supportive should be allowed to post in certain areas. You may be right of course and I respect your opinion.

< Message edited by Wiseman108 -- 12/7/2009 11:24:05 >

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12/7/2009 11:32:13

Zyrain
The Arcane

I still disagree with your reason.
But...
I found a wy that a C/C Group could be useful;

If we are allowed to Post in Clan Rexcruitment Threads again,
Then to be able to Post a Reply you must be in the C/C Group.
All Approved Clans' Leaders are automatically added,
Then other Members can apply for it.

Just a quick thought, though. :P

~Zyrain

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12/7/2009 11:35:42

Madam Mutant
Member

I would also agree with Zyrian' idea. Thought he one problem I see is how does one decide on who is worthy enough to post in C/C threads and who isn't. This is one thing that could be a large problem because I can't see how one specifies this.

~Madam Adriana Mutant

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12/7/2009 11:41:23

Wiseman
Member

I was thinking about haveing a *Evaluation period* to decided if someone is right for the group.

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12/7/2009 12:22:04

Alpha Atom
Member

I see no point in this idea, it'll just be another thing for the already busy ArchKnights to do. It'll be another Approval Thread, they have to keep up with, it'll be 10 more pms a week asking why they haven't been approved yet. I don't think the Clans and Clubs would benefit from it enough to make it worth while.

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12/7/2009 12:42:22

Madam Mutant
Member

Currently, the clans and clubs are pretty inactive. This approval process may help bring up C/C activity. The problem is that the posting of threads must still be restricted to the posting of member applications, alliance applications, enemy applications and clan news and event updates. The only thing that could be added here is the ability for non members to inform a clan of something it is missing before it is removed from the clan sandbox. The reason for this s because before, clan threads were used mainly as the clan forums instead of as a advertisement thread. Thus the thread must be solely for what I have just mentioned.

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12/7/2009 13:09:07

Alpha Atom
Member

No, it would lower activity. People can't be bothered to fill out application forms. I know it sounds stupid but people won't go on there because they can't be bothered to go through they application process.

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12/7/2009 13:12:52

Madam Mutant
Member

They currently cannot post at all. Also to post a clan thread, there is already an application process.

And furthermore I cannot see how this will lower activity as it will only add more opportunities.

Edit:

Oh yes to add more, most clans or many clans actually do have application forms which must be filled out and pm'ed to the leader or an other trusted clan official , with this added, a clan could simply have the applications posted onto the clan thread and have any of the clan recruitment officials accept or deny the application.

So what you are saying in fact makes no sense to little sense at all. I mean no disrespect in any of this but what you are saying actually ,as I see it, has little backbone.

< Message edited by Madam Mutant -- 12/7/2009 13:19:08 >

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12/7/2009 13:14:12

Wiseman
Member

With all the other groups there is a training area where all new applicants can post and discuss. Wile members post in other areas spicificly for them. The leaders of the groups useley tell the applicants if they believe they are ready to move up. The C/C group could work the same way. (Just a Theory)

I do not believe it will lower activaty in the board it may not improve activaty either, but it has a better chance of improving it. The C/C members and leaders are serching for a way to improve activaty in the C/C board. This could work toward that goal.

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12/7/2009 13:32:10

Madam Mutant
Member

Wiseman, thinking about what is said, it cannot actually lower activity. the reasons for this is:

Many of the user abilities is disabled in the C/C forum.
Posting a clan already requires an application.
The approval thread that is being suggested should not apply to the C/C Discussions thread, C/C Q&A thread, C/C Multipurpose thread or the C/C review threads.
None of these would apply to the C/C Sandbox

In light of this, only more posting abilities can be gained, and none can lost. therefore, how activity can drop is a complete mystery unto me.

Although yes, this does not mean that activity will rise ,but it does open up a larger door to activity gaining in the C/C forum.

~Madam Adriana Mutant

< Message edited by Madam Mutant -- 12/18/2009 11:24:32 >

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12/7/2009 15:13:01

Wiseman
Member

The group could be called ACL for Approved Clan Leaders. (Just off the top of my head) if it is created. Once again this is just a suggestion.

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12/12/2009 21:12:49

Rin
Member

If we leave the clan just for the forums it will be bored. Clans for the online game yeah!

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12/14/2009 1:56:39

Theo
The Magnificent

Clans/Clubs is a way for all sorts of groups to gather together, it is a "Free" forum and its followers do not necessarily have to have an approved clan on
the BattleOn Forum to partisipate in discussions. To be considered as a forum group would be a great "Goal" to achive in the future but as it stands right now it appears to me
that clans/clubs is a struggling thread, to limit the participants could very well be it's demise...causing an end to the thread all together.

It is my hopes that the up-coming AQW Guild system will change all that and attract more forum members to the discussions we all hold there.
This is the reason I tend to work so hard in the clans/clubs area to bring in more participants in hopes of growth and understanding that clans/clubs/guilds are
an important community within all of the AE games.

~ Theo

< Message edited by Theo -- 12/14/2009 2:13:58 >

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12/14/2009 2:19:05

Wiseman
Member

@Theo: I have to agree with you on this one. I hope that C/C board will one day be a popular enough area of the forum for it to become a forum group. As for now our main goal should be figuring out ways to attract more people to the C/C area without advertising. If after guilds are released the areas community starts to grow maby "one day" it will become more than a small group of visionarys. At this time we are struggling to improve both C/C and comeing up with new suggestion for Guilds. Once guilds are here we can start to focus on just improving the C/C board and in turn improve the AE forum community even more.

I strongly believe that the release of AQW guilds will improve the C/C boards, a small "preview" of this is alredy happening. Since ED was released hopefull faction leaders have started to come to the C/C board for advice and such.

< Message edited by Wiseman108 -- 12/15/2009 3:25:28 >

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12/14/2009 22:46:51

Everest
Moving Mountains

I'm generally wary when anyone suggest a forum group, as (speaking very conservatively) at least some of the time it's primarily desired as a way to distinguish some members from others. Even if Clans/Clubs does become more popular in the future, there would have to be good reasons to make a forum group that would exclude many members. As of now, I haven't seen any reason to do so. Approved Artists/Authors/Poets are forum groups, for example, to promote quality discussion and constructive criticism.

What reason exists to separate some C/C members from others? Because as the suggestions stands, and if it's meant to be a forum group just to be a forum group, I don't much see the point.

< Message edited by Everest -- 12/14/2009 22:47:20 >

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12/15/2009 3:23:22

Wiseman
Member

At this time there may not be a good enough reason. In the future though when (and if) C/C becomes more popular (which it probley will with guild and factions in AE games.) Good reasons may begian to present themselves. I still believe that it may be possible to make C/C a forum group sometime in the future. As it stands now I am willing to concide on the matter. Just keep in mind that if I can't come up with a good enough reason, it doesent mean that the reasons are not there. It may take someone more perceptive than me to figure them out though. If mine are not good enough then untill such reasons present themselves this thread is null and void.

Heres two possible good reasons.

Joint Clan Projects.

One idea is to have a small group of clan leaders that have proven to be very active, who can create and manage joint clan activitys. This kind of thing will improve bonds between clan leaders and members. It will also help to improve activity in the C/C boards. Just because each clan is a seperate entity does not mean that they have to work agenst one another.

Clan Wars

Another idea which explores the other direction is clan wars. It could work like the RP area in which good clans can have well thought out and entertaining battles. They can follow a spacific set of rules, like the other forum groups. Clan wars could work like RPs but on a larger scale. There can be battles fought, stats managed, and victorys won and lost. Currently there is no real reason to have ally and rival clans because there are no real ways to fight clan wars.

Anyway those are the only two possible good reasons I can come up with at the moment.

Wiseman~108

< Message edited by Wiseman108 -- 12/15/2009 3:46:25 >

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12/15/2009 10:00:23

Everest
Moving Mountains

And neither of those are bad ideas, they're a bit like Paxia. However, I can't really see any reason to not allow all members to post if either of those two ideas were to be put in place. On the contrary, it seems like the more activity in either of those threads, the better.

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12/15/2009 13:01:21

Wiseman
Member

Well clan wars would be a bit complecated like RPing, so an area like the RPA for them may not be a bad idea. Then they can move to the "*War Room" where they can battle it out like professonals.

I do see your point though, the clans and clubs area need more activity. As Theo said limiting who can post there may lower it further, which would be very bad. Even if clans and clubs does not become a forum group it would be nice to see one/both of those ideas implemented. LoL this is starting to become a discussion about how to improve the C/C area anyway. Well even if C/C does not become a forum group any time soon, I would like to see activity pick up in the board. Thanks for thoughts on the matter Everest, I'll keep that in mind.

Wiseman~108

* Just though this sounded good for a clan war board/area name. :)

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< Message edited by Wiseman108 -- 12/15/2009 20:38:09 >

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12/18/2009 11:32:05

Madam Mutant
Member

quote:

Many of the user abilities is disabled in the C/C forum.

Posting a clan already requires an application.

The approval thread that is being suggested should not apply to the C/C Discussions thread, C/C Q&A thread, C/C Multipurpose thread or the C/C review threads.

None of these would apply to the C/C Sandbox

With this implemented I do not see how the forums activity would realy drop.

~Madam Adriana Mutant

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