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10/13/2010 0:42:37   
ultimatenick
Member

Quote button so you can quote a member and it says

(quoted ultimatenick) and the member gets a message saying "you've been quoted" and a link to the quote
but to look better
Post #: 1
10/13/2010 0:48:50   
Baker
Member

There used to be a quote function here, but it was removed because of spam (people quoting the person directly above them and creating quote pyramids). You can still create a quote box on your own by putting the quote within the correct tags and including the original poster's name.

Ex: 
[quote]ORIGINAL: ultimatenick

Quote button so you can quote a member and it says 
[/quote]
shows up as:

quote:

ORIGINAL: ultimatenick

Quote button so you can quote a member and it says

I don't really see the quote button over coming back, especially with a system that PMs the quoted person (don't even know how that would be possible). If you want to see if people are quoting or talking about you, you can search your name and see if anything pops up. I do that myself to see if there's anything I need to respond to.

< Message edited by Bballman23 -- 10/13/2010 0:49:45 >
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10/13/2010 0:49:57   
Ashari
Inconceivable!


 I asked the same thing a while ago, since it used to be part of the AE forums.

Apparently the quote button was removed so people didn't make huge pyramids of quotes by quoting quotes. We have to use the [quote][/quote] tags and copy paste the text if we want to quote someone instead.

Edit: ^Bballman23 basically said everything first.

< Message edited by Ashari -- 10/13/2010 0:53:38 >
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10/13/2010 1:39:44   
Everest
Moving Mountains


 Alternatively, you can quote someone with the click of two buttons, if you reply to a specific post rather than responding to the thread by clicking the yellow "Post Reply" button. To reply to a specific post, use the button in the upper-right hand corner of the post you wish to reference, and when you have the Message Window up, hit the "Quote original" button next to the Privacy Policy link.

This will basically do all the work for you.
Post #: 4
10/13/2010 1:54:54   
Ashari
Inconceivable!


 Everest, I don't see the "Quote Original" button when using the Reply button on other people's posts.

It looks like this for me:


Another AK told me about the quote original button before, but there is a big space where you say the button is, so I think it might be disabled for non-AKs/mods. Did someone just forget to turn this feature on for everyone?

Full screenshot is here: http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/7885/missingbutton.png
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10/13/2010 2:28:05   
Highlord Sendai
Member

You can use it in PM's.
DF MQ AQW  Post #: 6
10/13/2010 10:54:18   
moneybags
More than a Game

 

 Ashari, I believe that button is only available for Mods and AKs in the boards they have power.
Epic  Post #: 7
10/13/2010 11:03:36   
Everest
Moving Mountains


 My apologies everyone, I had no idea that function was not publicly available. As it is not, it would be a bit beside the point to bring that feature back after it was removed in another form.

At this point I'll have to recommend 
[quote]
codes for the reasons Bballman23 already pointed out, I am a little embarrassed. :P
Post #: 8
10/13/2010 14:31:52   
DragonYugi
Member

To be honest, I don't see why it couldn't be brought back.

Sure, there might be some people who will quote the post directly above them or who might make pyramid quotes this way but there is nothing a good warning can't fix. I'm sure they will understand once they get warned for this.

Another way to make the "Quote" button better again would be to not make it appear on the last post of the thread. This way, nobody can quote the post directly above them. Sure, this might be a bit difficult to code but it will clearly help discussion boards.
Post #: 9
10/13/2010 14:34:41   
Chii
Legendary KoO Snugglebunny


 The problem is, they were actually managing to do some serious damage to the forum servers with those quote pyramids. Don't picture a quote with one or two quotes inside it -- picture entire pages having been quoted, then re-quoted over and over, and each reply quoting it all again. People were making contests to see how big they could get those quote pyramids, to the point where the servers would come seriously close to crashing.
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10/13/2010 16:00:21   
Ashari
Inconceivable!


 Chii, it honestly sounds like it could just be fixed with 2 simple rules:

  • Do not quote the post directly above you, unless it is used to break up the original post into separate parts for discussion/commenting
  • Do not have quote within a quote unless the nested quote is relevant to your response. Limit of 2 nested quotes.

    Example of 2 nested quotes:
    [quote][quote][quote]Post 1[/quote]
    Post 2[/quote]
    Post 3[/quote]
    Your post

    This doesn't seem to over the top (and rarely would you actually need 2 nested quotes. Most of the time a post needs only 1 nested quote):
    quote:

    quote:

    quote:

    Post 1
    Post 2
    Post 3
    Your post

    Having huge quote pyramids just to see how big they get just sounds like spam to me. It doesn't seem like it would need much more moderation to stop quote pyramids; they are easy to spot and it's easy to prevent them with the above 2 rules and a few warnings to users that forget.

    It seems like a big inconvenience for the forum users just to lighten the moderation load by such a tiny amount.

    < Message edited by Ashari -- 10/13/2010 16:01:25 >
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    10/13/2010 16:37:46   
    Chii
    Legendary KoO Snugglebunny


    		 The rules existed at the time this damage was being done to the server. It didn't stop people from doing it anyway. Warnings didn't help prevent it from happening, they only served as further justification to punish after the fact -- and when the action involves something which harms the server, "after the fact" is too long afterward. Removing the quote button was a preventative measure against future incidents, not as a sign that it was against the rules. It was against the rules all along.

    < Message edited by Chii -- 10/13/2010 16:39:15 >
    AQ  Post #: 12
    10/13/2010 19:19:32   
    Everest
    Moving Mountains


    		 I think you'll have to trust us when we say how prevalent the issue was. I was not staff at the time, yet I remember looking at war threads in AQ GD and not being able to load the page, the posts were so long. When members cannot load forum pages, along with the server stress Chii mentioned, that's generally a warning sign that something needs to change.

    As ironic as it is, the problem was that quoting in pyramids was simply too easy. Nobody bothered to delete the unnecessary parts of the quoted text, since all they had to do instead was hit a button and then reply. In fact, in addition to the stress on computers and servers, it got to the point where it was confusing as to what a member was responding; they would write one line of text as a response to a massive wall of posts which was almost entirely unrelated to the nature of the reply.

    And as skeptical as you may be, deleting all superfluous text would require significant dedication of time, when you consider the possibility (and likelihood, in fact) that almost every post on every page would have to be looked over, read through to ascertain the important section of the quote, and edited, with most of the quote being deleted.

    So, while using manual quote tags may require a bit more work on the part of the member, it has the benefit of requiring members to actually think about what they are quoting. In this case, I'm not sure less work is better.

    And because this may seem at odds with my previous post, I'll mention again that as far as I knew, a feature already existed that members could use, a feature most members simply did not know existed. If there isn't, I believe it's probably best it does not.
    Post #: 13
    10/13/2010 20:55:27   
    Ashari
    Inconceivable!


    		 Alright, thanks for clearing that up Chii and Everest!

    I never imagined it would be such a huge problem here. The EpicDuel forums manage to live with a quote button without any major problems like the ones you mentioned. I don't think I've seen a quote pyramid in a few months in fact on the ED Forums. Sorry for taking this thread offtopic.
    AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 14
    10/14/2010 17:13:08   
    ultimatenick
    Member

    		How about making a thing where only upto 3-4 posts can be quoted instead of a whole quote pyramid.
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