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7/9/2011 9:38:31   
Xendran
Member

Blood mage, supposedly the pure offence class, has the lowest damage output capability AND lowest survivability in the game.
Also, cyber hunter has ridiculously gimped survivability due to only having SA as a passive

Mercs have hybrid which allows them to survive much longer with high strength.
All other classes have a debuff and a shield which raises their damage output and survivability significantly.
Blood mage has neither of these. The lack of a shield lowers survivability by a drastic amount, and the lack of a debuff lowers damage by a large amount.
While blood mages are capable of burst damage with berzerker, it still has a lower damage output + survivability than the other classes. Every other class is better at using strength than blood mage. Yes, including tech mage.
Delta staff with frostbolt blaster or energy stun gun with malf has a higher damage output over a period of turns than blood mage has with berserker.

I can understand the gimped survivability, but not when BM is literally a strength BH without a debuff or shield.

Main skills: Berserker, strength, assimilate.

I see no real reason that BM shouldnt have smoke screen, it's no more dangerous than bh having smoke screen is, and BM is meant to be the damage class.

To be perfectly honest, BM and Cyber hunter are both terrible classes in the grand sceme of things. Not unusable, its quite possible to win with them, but when a blood mage or cyber hunter with the same skill and same quality of build faces off against another class, the BM and CH will ALWAYS lose except when they get lucky.
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7/9/2011 9:45:33   
Calogero
Member

Like I said ingame, I can only Hit high on a Rage Berserker or against Low level enemies ( Juggernaut )

This so called High Hitter class, is for now nothing but fodder for tanks and other STR builds

If you go 5 focus, you don't have enough stats for eather ' high ' damage or good defences
if you go Str, you defences are worth ship, especialy when you go low on Support and lose initiative all the time
If you go for STR Dex, well saved from normal Merc, even STR BH are beatable but T merc, nope

so in short, no matter what build we try with BM, we get beaten by the same classes over and over again
( unless you go Juggernaut and battle lv 26 or whatever )

note, this is my opinion about the BM, you might agree, you might not... but at least I got this off my chest

< Message edited by andy123 -- 7/9/2011 9:47:03 >

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7/9/2011 14:56:40   
voidance
Member

Having Smoke Screen or Malfunction would make Blood Mage very Oped. Tbh the safest way to buff Blood Mage would be to give them Hybrid Armor. Which would also make since because a Blood mage is a Hybrid form of Tech Mage, Bounty Hunter, and Merc.



EDIT:
I didn't read the second guys post, Berserker can be successful aslong as you have enough strenght/hp/bloodlust, and 5 focus is very easy to to prefect since we have bloodlust and cyber cannon. It's just how you make the build that makes it work or not. Oh and another thing, I don't want them to add Smoke screen or Malfunction because it will just be added to the list of over used builds in the game.

< Message edited by voidance -- 7/9/2011 15:01:44 >
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7/9/2011 15:07:07   
Xendran
Member

voidance, how would it be OPed? It woudl be no more oped than bh having smoke screen with cheapshot and massacre and bloodlust.

Instead of massacre and cheapshot we have berserker. still no shield even with smoke too.
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7/9/2011 15:10:27   
voidance
Member

Because if we have smokescreen we can smoke, berserker, fire ball, dead. Not to mention that massive hp return.




EDIT:
Probally not fireball since that would req massive energy but a decent sidearm with a decent deadly aim would do the same trick.

< Message edited by voidance -- 7/9/2011 15:11:32 >
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7/9/2011 15:12:11   
xxmirxx
Member
 

 You guys have deadly Aim.
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7/9/2011 15:14:27   
Xendran
Member

Again voidance, how is that any worse than mass and cheapshot or mass and stun grenade?
xxmirxx: so do mages. they have a debuff.
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7/9/2011 15:18:29   
voidance
Member

Because for starters i never see a bh use smokescreen, cheapshot/stun grenade, then massacre. Second, I don't want bm to be some abused class because it has a build similar to bh's smokescreen/massacre.
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7/9/2011 15:21:00   
Xendran
Member

And you wont see a bm smokescreen, fireball and berzerker. thats upwards of 80 energy.
You just proved your own point wrong.
Also, how dould it become an "abused class". Blood mage is plain and simply underpowered.
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7/9/2011 15:25:06   
voidance
Member

quote:

EDIT:
Probally not fireball since that would req massive energy but a decent sidearm with a decent deadly aim would do the same trick.
I already know this, but Deadly aim can do similar damage. Atm it is underpowered but that simple smokescreen will make it a str abusing class just like Bh and Tac Merc. So quit bashing me so hard, I'm not disagreeing that mages are uped, they just need to be buffed in a dif way.
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7/9/2011 15:26:16   
Calogero
Member

I actualy see a Shtload of BH that use " SmokeScreen + Stun Grenade/Massacre/CheapShot "

Fact of the matter is, for a so called High Hitter, it gets out damaged by BH, T Mer, Merc....

Do also not forget, IF we'd have Smokescreen = Less Stat points being wasted in other skills ( str, dex )
and seeing we have no reroute that means more trained in Energy aswell and less skills in DA/FireBolt


Where you see Overpowered, I see FINALY balance and a chance against Tanks

to add to above... Why shouldn't BM be a Str abusing class... The Class is all about STR yet we do nothing compared
to other classes

< Message edited by andy123 -- 7/9/2011 15:29:00 >
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7/9/2011 15:27:26   
Xendran
Member

Deadly aim does similar damage becuase it alreayd has a gun. Deadly aim as a skill alone only does 7-9 damage.
Also, don't accuse me of "bashing you". You know for a fact that im not, that's just villainization.

< Message edited by Xendran -- 7/9/2011 15:28:01 >
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7/9/2011 15:29:25   
voidance
Member

Well you can get stuck on SmokeScreen but its not gonna happen, its clear that it can be abused too easily, you would be able to do the damage of a smokescreen/massacre bh by the second turn since berserker only has a 1 turn warmup. Not to mention thats 42-43 base damage you can get with stun cannon.
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7/9/2011 15:32:40   
Calogero
Member

@ Voidance

you don't seem to be seeing the point really...

IF we had Smokescreen, we'd have less in Dex and Str otherwise Smoke = crap

Also Berserker has a chance to Miss unlike Massacre
Not only would Smoke Help penetrate the enemy defences
It can also be used as a Defence skill to increase Blocking
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7/9/2011 15:34:30   
Xendran
Member

Also, berserker is weaker than massacre, and smoke increases with tech which a large amount of blood mages lack significant amounts of.
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7/9/2011 15:36:10   
voidance
Member

The odds of Berserker missing while a player is smoked is astronomical, and less str lol? Smoke screen will just encourage people to use more strength.




Edit:
It does less damage but it also cost less energy and doesnt take 3 turns to warm up. Another thing, I can see why you want this to happen because your oneof those Str abusing Tac merc's.

< Message edited by voidance -- 7/9/2011 15:40:21 >
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7/9/2011 15:38:06   
Monstrocon
Member

Yes, replace plasma rain with smoke. Supercharge should be replaced with a shield of some sort.

But if BM is like that, it would be a str only class, and that just makes them boring. Perhaps they should have Plasma Cannon AND BB. Oh wait that just screws everyone.
A 5 focus tech abuser BM with BB, Plasma Cannon, Gamma bot and bloodlust = Massive OP.

< Message edited by Monstrocon -- 7/9/2011 15:43:31 >
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7/9/2011 15:41:15   
Calogero
Member

good that you pulled in Tact Merc into this conversation

Tact merc, they are not ment to be such good STR abusers,
yet they still do a better job in it than Blood Mage which IS
pretty much all about Str

If a Class can't do what it's ment to do then why have that class at all


< Message edited by andy123 -- 7/9/2011 15:42:05 >
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7/9/2011 15:46:11   
voidance
Member

I don't have problems with Tac Merc's, I can just tell by his gear he is abusing it's strength abilities. Also, they arnt meant to be such good str abusers? They gave them Double strike, Maul, Frenzy, and smokescreen. How is that not such a strength abuser, for example they can hit a 40-50 on you and heal 30 or so. Another thing, where does blood mage say it should be able to abuse strength or have smoke screen, its just suppose to be more melee combat effective. Which Blood Lust, Berserker, Fireball, etc. does.


EDIT:
Anyways I'm done trying to prove a point, it won't happen, if it does I'l eat my words, but like I said, It won't happen. Come up with a idea that revolves less around being a total 1 build strength abusing class idea and you might get somewhere.

< Message edited by voidance -- 7/9/2011 15:50:55 >
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7/9/2011 16:27:52   
Xendran
Member

@Voidance: Balance spreadsheet. I'm not a closed minded person.
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7/9/2011 16:53:49   
Shadow Jester
Member

Xendran is right. Blood Mages are UP .

I don't get what your saying voidance... Blood Mages and Mages will never be abused.People like to abuse str builds with BH and Mercs,TLM too.
Not everyone has the right build to survive as a BM.
They need to lower the energy costs of the skills .-.
BM DON'T have Reroute so no point of having low energy.
ANNNNNND. BM doesn't have a skill to debuff from smoke
AQW Epic  Post #: 21
7/9/2011 17:00:08   
Mr. Black OP
Member

quote:

I actualy see a Shtload of BH that use " SmokeScreen + Stun Grenade/Massacre/CheapShot "

i use lv 2 cheapshot/lv 2 emp, lv 6 smoke, and lv 3 mass and it costs me 73 energy :/ so my def and res are only 30 with armor and i still get beat so having a bm with something similar would make them balanced
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7/9/2011 17:01:28   
Retrosaur
Member
 

 XxTankMagexX is a great Blood Mage. I lost five thousand times and won once against him (not to be taken literally, except for the latter)
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7/9/2011 17:07:43   
Xendran
Member

Doesnt mean blood mage isnt underpowered.
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7/9/2011 17:23:45   
king julian
Member

The damage out put of my blood mage build was always above 40 thats rely high and with blood lust u get 8 hp back (i think) and if u have no "sheild" then give ur self one with Dexterity lots of dexterity and strength have u heard of assult bot it works great with debuffing giving u a good defence and then u are able to be on the offence as much as possible and get as much hp back.
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