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9/20/2011 16:32:28   
BlackndWhithe
Member

HI there, i open this to consult and hope that we can improve the 2v2 battle mode.
I would suggest that players should not be able to access 2v2 mode without all weps, primary ,gun,aux!!!
How do u feel when u're partner is lvl 31,32,33(sometimes) with a crap primary, i've seen so many players( even varium ones) equiped with only their primary wep ...this is just O.O.
Com on devs, do something about that ...its ruin the 2v2 mode !

< Message edited by BlackndWhithe -- 9/20/2011 16:33:34 >
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9/20/2011 16:36:37   
PivotalDisorder
Member

erm, due to the difficulty of attaining enough credits for items AND enhancements etc many have to sell their items and compete without
or have to level with very low level items so they can eventually afford everything they need. everyone is entitled to play the game.

< Message edited by psibertus -- 9/20/2011 16:37:33 >

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9/20/2011 16:41:07   
BlackndWhithe
Member

1v1, they wont ''hurt'' anyone, while they compete ''naked''....so , play 1 year to buy a aux( on 1v1) , but they shouldnt ruin others fun, atleast the weakest weps ...BUT to have them...ALL!
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9/20/2011 16:42:38   
PivotalDisorder
Member

Players do not owe you wins, they do not owe you fun either. sorry but the game is for everyone.
if you have a complaint, it should be about credit prices on gear or not enough credits for winning.

also, is it fun for them to be poor and have to get owned 99% of the time in 1v1 ? when instead they
could click 2v2 and might get a powerful partner, or equally weak enemies.

< Message edited by psibertus -- 9/20/2011 16:43:38 >
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9/20/2011 17:21:48   
Basicball
Member

lol, so players of level 1 => 20 or so shouldn't be able to play AT ALL? lol

< Message edited by Basicball -- 9/20/2011 17:39:38 >

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AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 5
9/20/2011 17:33:11   
Fay Beeee
Member

I think that Black means
When you get a partner in a fight and they only have one weapon and you are facing two fully armed players. Definitely not a good scenario.

For the higher level 2v2 fight it should be a requirement that they come prepared.
eg. ALL weapons.

I do not think you would go onto the motor way in a car, with only one lesson? You would have to meet the requirement first. May be work your way up to it.

I also think that they come expecting to win more. Because imo, most have been told. "From level 28 + fight npc and 2v2" (because 1v1 is too hard for them)

Well at least, that what I think LOL

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Epic  Post #: 6
9/20/2011 17:35:33   
PivotalDisorder
Member

these topics appear every few days and it is always someone upset because they lost and they feel it is not only their divine
right to win, but also their divine right to decide who can play the game and who cannot. I think they call it fascism.

@Fay Beeee: sorry but that is a terrible analogy. people cannot drive on the road with just one lesson because human life is at stake.
this is a game, sometimes realism has to take a back seat to gameplay. I usually leave when I get that situation he/she stated which
isn't good, but the issue isn't that players go out of their way to have no items, but the actual credit system overall. power hour has
improved that system, but it is still flawed. either you spend to level and be poor when your 30+ or you save while your levelling so
that you can gear your character when they are 30+. either way, at some point your going to be weak and lose fights because of it.

< Message edited by psibertus -- 9/20/2011 17:42:29 >
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9/20/2011 17:38:06   
DeathGuard
Member

Fay Beee: I didn't use that method to lvl up, I did it the hard way back in beta and gamma.
Also is their decision to enter the battle at the end, nout yours black also no offense intended.
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9/20/2011 17:41:25   
Fay Beeee
Member

psibertus I do not think she was raging. Just stating things how she see's it and offering suggestions.

cyberbakio ryugan I did it the hard way too. It just seems the advice they are given now is different.
Epic  Post #: 9
9/20/2011 17:44:17   
PivotalDisorder
Member

I changed it to upset, also I didn't want to respond to your post in a new post [mods say you must edit previous post if yours is still the last in the topic]
so I responded to you by editing my post further up :) just telling you in case you missed it
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9/20/2011 17:44:21   
AQWPlayer
Member

I disagree with that because that might result in people buying the crappiest weapons of each category just to get into the 2vs2 battle mode. Also, I would like to have either 1) close-to-complete balance between variums and non variums or 2) have every two pieces of varium items count as one extra level as well as every 6-10 enhancements.
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9/20/2011 17:48:21   
Fay Beeee
Member

^ psibertus
saw the change :)

And sorry for my terrible analogy. LOL
Comes from my befuddled mind :)
Epic  Post #: 12
9/20/2011 17:52:15   
DeathGuard
Member

Fay: Yep. you're right, back in beta what they did was to give you a build
Psibertus: I agree with you.
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9/20/2011 18:02:41   
BlackndWhithe
Member

com on guys, its not about complains because i lost a battle, ive played so many 2v2, and most of my allys, or enemy have no weps....
skills cannot complete ure char .... its about balance, and a ''crap'' wep, can help more then a missing one!
they are over 30 lvl, what player do not have a gun or aux at that level....
@ basicball....its not about low lvls players, its the big guys.....how did they lvl up with only primary , even with many loses u get some credits , and the sad part, most of them are mages and clasical merc ...oh dont tell me they cant save up 10k for a gun/aux!

:) 2v2 is a complete menu, u depend on ure ally!

Post edited. Please don't use profanity, even if you censor it. ~Mecha

< Message edited by Mecha Mario -- 9/20/2011 18:19:02 >
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9/20/2011 18:09:31   
Stabilis
Member

Moving very immoderate players into one on one will only benefit the good one on one fighters. Also, they would only have two options: 1v1 and 1vNPC (excluding juggernaut). I think they would be upset.

@Black,

I think I've tried censoring out my own profanity and my post was edited you should change it if you don't want warnings.
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9/20/2011 18:13:26   
BlackndWhithe
Member

@green rain13, thx ! but its the truth
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9/20/2011 18:15:54   
PivotalDisorder
Member

Many players are learning the game the first time out. you wanna see my first 2 characters ? they are 23 and 27 and poor with lame items.
first time I even enhanced my low level items with credits thinking they would last ages :)

I recently levelled a 2nd mage so that I could make him into a blood mage and from lv1-27 I only bought one item, a level 14 staff I think
and then I bought the new lvl 29 armor which is 20,520 Credits. then that was it. no credits left. got my gun and aux from the missions.

1: your completely exaggerating. I do 2v2 everyday and yes you get some bad matchups, especially if your 33, but you also get many
unfair fights that are based on level or varium items, in your favour. you can maintain over 60% win rate even with so many support mercs.

if a guy is 30 and has no items then clearly he made some mistakes when he was levelling or sold hit items to buy something else. I agree
it wasn't that smart, but it doesn't mean you should relegate them all to a dark corner to be kicked and spit on.
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9/20/2011 18:23:29   
BlackndWhithe
Member

@psibertus
im only talking about high lvls , over 30 ... i think u finnaly got my point, but.... as u say, they must've made some mistakes.This is not an good excuse tho, better with all weps, and no armor ....
and i have nothing to say about ure chars... :O
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9/20/2011 18:25:09   
BadWitch
Member

Ok.What you say about this?...I played team 2day and guess what...i have fight after fight low players allys with only primary and,for more fun,in one fight I get a 31 lev mage equipped with apprentice staff(no gun ,no aux,no skills) 0.0...i had at least 5 loses in a row because those players,and they don't even heal you coz ''u are a noob if you heal''...lol
I guess they have to do something about this...and btw..why you meet in fight the same players over and over all day long...why?

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9/20/2011 18:44:42   
PivotalDisorder
Member

If the credit system isn't going to be overhauled, then my proposal is don't click 2v2 if you are not prepared to get a bad partner. everyone else who clicks 2v2 also has that chance.
I find it just as frustrating as anyone else. if you and your partner are 33 and your enemies are 33 and 28, do you let them win ? ofc not, you completely annihilate them without mercy.

those players didn't ask to be put in with 3x 33s. they didn't ask to be put in with full varium beasts either. they just want to play the game, earn some credits and move on. not everyone
has the time to remake their fail characters and level without spending any credits so that you don't suffer as many losses. you can always click 1v1 and beat everyone with your epic skills.

you want them to do something for you, why not do something for yourself ?

I think that the 2v2 system only really needs tweaking for the level cap players. instead of 2 33s facing a 33 and a 28, the lowest level the lone 33s partner should be is 30 [?].
at the moment I think they system is actually broken, and by broken I mean it only adds the combined levels of each team together upto 33. once 33 you can face a 6 level difference.

1-2 level difference between teams as your levelling isn't too bad but that 6 level difference more times than not is a guaranteed loss. their are exceptions but not that many.
[if your a tac merc, I don't wanna hear how you win most unfair matchups like that, but ty anyway]

so if you have a solution [or like one of mine] that doesn't target certain players post it in the suggestions section, or balance topic.

< Message edited by psibertus -- 9/20/2011 18:47:20 >
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9/20/2011 18:48:23   
Bunshichi
Member

^ You don't have to be a tac merc to win unfair matches :I I've done it while being a merc and bounty. 2 vs 2 is filling up with too many support players.

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9/20/2011 18:51:50   
PivotalDisorder
Member

I meant that when someone says "its usually a guaranteed loss" a crowd of tac mercs appear claiming to win them every time.
then when you ask what class they are, ofc they are a support tac merc. I was trying to avoid talking to those players completely.
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9/20/2011 19:26:48   
9001WaysToLaugh
Member

How about instead the system adds the stat mods divided by 4 to your level when deciding who your partner is and who you fight?

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Epic  Post #: 23
9/20/2011 19:51:22   
AQWPlayer
Member

^
Sounds good, cause I usually go with a noob/average player against an average player+full varium player or two full varium players.
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9/20/2011 19:53:24   
PivotalDisorder
Member

I did propose a rating system based on enhancements and your gear. the issue the devs always put forth was that the queues would be painfully long.
If the experienced or smart players were always kept apart from the inexperienced or less intelligent players then how will they ever improve or learn ?
especially as they would all be fighting each other. yes they would earn more credits and improve their equipment but they wouldn't actually improve.

Iron sharpens Iron
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