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10/22/2012 8:54:22   
King Helios
Member

Hello,

As many of you know, Juggernaut is a battle mode for levels 20+. One player (the 20+), faces two lower levels in a 2vs1 battle.

At higher levels, it tends to get easier from the Juggernaut's perspective.

Is it getting too easy? Discuss.

< Message edited by King Helios -- 10/22/2012 8:57:52 >
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10/22/2012 8:58:18   
Blaze The Aion Ender
Member

When a Juggernaut has the chance to fight 2 full variums with bio battlegar, delta knight, eggzookas and stun blasters
No, it's fine
Sometimes the people you're facing can be ridiculous
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10/22/2012 9:02:02   
Mother1
Member

For all the ups and downs I think it is good as is. Remember since players can't choose when they fight jug fights the selection is random, and you have a change of getting someone who can give you a run for your money and beat you, or the chance you can have an easy fight. Either way it is good.

Now if they made a button so people could choose when they fight jugs instead of the way it is now then it would be unbalanced since every fight against a jug would be 2 people with anti jug builds all the time and jug fights would stop happening.
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10/22/2012 14:01:11   
classifiedname
Member

to easy no way! it all depends on who you fight. if your lucky you get players that don't have high def and are easily defeated.... on the other hand if you have two level 29's that can crit 43 with a bunker buster or good caster mage that does 34+ and it gets pretty tough
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10/22/2012 15:04:26   
King Helios
Member

Guys, Juggernaut is not THAT hard.

I have 87.2 % today, and am in the middle of the pack.
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10/23/2012 0:13:31   
Nub Apocalypse
Member

Yes, Jugg is WAYYYY too easy. I can't believe people are saying it's not. Look at All Time 2v2 Board %s then look at Jugg Board %s, the facts and statistics are all there, and people are still arguing it's ok?
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10/23/2012 0:25:36   
NDB
Member

The fact that you need the Skull Card kind of hints to the fact that it's more than just another battle mode... I think it's fair to say that the extra wins you get out of it is worth the price
In fact, Juggernaut is only too easy when your a varium 35 (TLM). For a non-varium, it can be very difficult since you don't actually have a huge advantage over them. You could be fighting two variums.
And for the people who are around 25-30, it can be tough since you most likely don't have top gear or enhancement. The fact is, if you have a 90%+ win rate in Juggernaut, it's likely that your just a very good player and therefore probably have a 90%+ in 1v1 too. Is anyone saying 1v1 is too easy? I don't think so.
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10/23/2012 1:28:04   
laguna blade
Member

Lvl 35 jugg easy coz they face lvl 26-30 but lvl 33 face lvl 26 -30 too.
When I jugg a month ago when lvl 33 tact 5 focus full enchance loop heal I only have 87% win rate in lb but when I jugg when lvl 35 lately get about 96% win rate.

< Message edited by laguna blade -- 10/23/2012 1:33:39 >
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10/23/2012 1:34:40   
Blaze The Aion Ender
Member

I liked juggernauting at lvl 34 best
Easiest time for me to win
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10/23/2012 1:55:50   
Nub Apocalypse
Member

quote:

The fact is, if you have a 90%+ win rate in Juggernaut, it's likely that your just a very good player and therefore probably have a 90%+ in 1v1 too. Is anyone saying 1v1 is too easy? I don't think so.

Don't even compare something with 1v1 %s, if all the battles in the past were split into random and npc, you will see that most people have 70-80%.
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10/23/2012 17:11:06   
xGreen Warriorx
Member

^ Very true. Some people's 1v1 records these days are insane....

Now as for jugg, I think it's hard for anyone below lvl 30 (who should really be saving for weapons anyways), and then much easier for full varium and/or smart lvl 35s. A simple change that would be nice is for lvl 35s, is no longer being able to fight 2 lvl 26s. It's just too easy. The range should be changed to prevent that, and have the 26s with a partner thats at least lvl 28.
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10/23/2012 18:39:21   
Blaze The Aion Ender
Member

@Green warrior

Okay, but then the highest lvls you can fight is two lvl 29's :/
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10/23/2012 18:43:09   
King Helios
Member

I'm fighting 2 30s in a row, and it's normal.

I think their levels should add up to 54-59 for a 35, 53-58 for a 34, etc.
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10/23/2012 19:54:51   
doomturtle
Member

Juggernaut is not to easy when I was Tlm I had about a 90% win rate and a cyber I have about an 85%. But that is because sometime you get opponents with almost no items and bad builds. But when you get 2 tank level 30 mercs with max bunker and 67 energy it's insanely hard to ein
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10/27/2012 14:29:34   
King Helios
Member

I feel like Juggs get crit more often even with high support.
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10/30/2012 19:02:37   
Keanman
Member

I have to agree with King Helios but I would go a step further and make it 56-59. Since I hit level 26, all I ever see is me and another 26-27 vs a 35 and we get crushed almost every time. I think it is way too easy for a jugg to win vs a couple of 26s. The frustration of having to level through 26 so far has been extreme. Somebody mentioned making a jugg build but the thing is I want nothing to do with jugg atm. I just want to level with some 2v2 and I can't even do that.
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10/30/2012 19:18:31   
D.v.D.
Member

If you play long enough to get to 35,
You will eventually buy a skull card.
Credit is unimaginably scarce in the higher levels


Would you rather lose more now or
at end game?
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10/30/2012 21:09:51   
King Helios
Member

quote:

I have to agree with King Helios but I would go a step further and make it 56-59

-Keanman


Well, that would make battles take a lot longer to load as Juggernaut.

Besides, with my system you (26), would be guaranteed a level 28-30 partner.
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11/1/2012 1:15:01   
legion of souls
Member

Juggernaut is really deigned for varium players. i dont see too many successful non-varium juggs out there


Actually you know what? its the enhancements that make the difference
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11/2/2012 14:46:47   
de a th
Member
 

 Ive been a jug sence TLM smoke days and the lv 30s in juggernaut are a little OP. When you are lv 30 you are able to get 35 var weps and become OP bec u can get Delta knight ect. And now it seems like you only fight 2 lv 30s and half of them are var. Its super un-fair bec there is a chace in a 1v1 u lose to a lv 30. but now 2 30s. thats so stupid. for lv 35s we should fight 28 and lower or 29. what are your thoughts

Threads merged for having a similar/identical topic. ~eVentus

< Message edited by Eventus -- 11/2/2012 19:14:00 >
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11/2/2012 15:08:22   
Bunshichi
Member

I don't like those fights but it has to be hard for us at times. I barey run into lvl 30's on a frequent basis.

Just because you face 2 lvl 30's does not mean you will always die because I've won many of those.
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11/2/2012 15:28:23   
laguna blade
Member

When I jugg at lvl 33 2 months ago I also face 2 lvl 30. It is very hard but not impossible.
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